Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

[c11h26no2ps]

Hello folks of Sniper's Hide,

I'm interested in the Remington XM2010, but I don't think $18,000 is a fair price for an out-of-box production. I'm looking for advice and leads on how to assemble the final product I seek. I was informed of Sniper's Hide by an FFL who thought I should ask the experts.

What are some of your recommendations for a precision 700 .338 Lapua Magnum action?

Barrel-Makers?

Scope Comparison:
-Schmidt & Bender Police & Military II/LP/MTC/LT
-Leupold Mark 4 ER/T
Any other options for a variable power optic available with the Horus 58 reticle.

Thoughts on the CADEX/Drake Strike 33 Chassis?

Basically, I'm testing the waters to see how difficult this will be to accomplish, while remaining under the $18,000 price tag of the assembled XM2010.

Thank you, everyone, and I look forward to being part of the Sniper's Hide online community.

-Teddy

 

[S12A]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

if you are building a clone you are best to source the specs to find out exact details on barrel maker , type , length same with all of the components.

otherwise you may be disappointed later and be searching for replacement correct parts equaling more $$$

 

[strike33]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I love My Cadex Strike 33. Everything locks up like a vault. My only gripe would be that the handguard is a bit on the fat side.
STS built me a rifle that is very similar to the 2010.

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I have all the specs written down, but all of the parts are Remington standard. Don't take this the wrong way, Remington's great... but their factory out-of-box gear doesn't hold a candle to the performance I can achieve from a Frankengun of aftermarket parts. So, I'm looking to get an unbarreled action (barrelless?), and a separate barrel made to spec, etc.

Someone mention that attaching the action to barrel will require it being 'Trued,' and I don't know what that means. Can someone please explain?

It's nice to hear that the chassis locks in tightly. Rail systems tend to be square and pointy... Can't really be avoided.

 

[JB02]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Have you considered an AIAX in .338 LM? Something a little cheaper you could do would be to get a Stiller .338 TAC action and drop it into an AI or CADEX chassis. Northwest Action Works: http://www.nwactionworks.com/#!components/c23j7 can get you a barreled action in .338 LM for reasonable cost that you can drop into a chassis system as well.

By the way 338 LM is not a good "starter rifle" for precision rifle shooting. Unless you're planning to shoot >1500yds, there are plenty of other equally effective, lower cost options available. If you just want a big boomer, check out the 300 win mag.

 

[JB02]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c11h26no2ps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone mention that attaching the action to barrel will require it being 'Trued,' and I don't know what that means. Can someone please explain?</div></div>
Simply put, it means machining the receiver and bolt such that everything is perfectly in line when your round is chambered. During the truing (or blueprinting process) the action's threads are often recut such that the factory barrel is no longer usable. The link I sent you has a description of the work that is done, and there is a video of truing a Remington in the gunsmithing section of this forum.

 

[Merc8541]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Just a reminder, Remington factory parts are not used on this gun... Its all done by Remington custom. I think you should build it to a close spec but you can still have it look identical and use different parts and coming up with a better rifle in the end. Have you had the chance to play with one or even handle the chassis? Its not for everyone but it looks damn cool....

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Haven't seen the chassis up close, but how different can it be from handling an M4 with a rail system? I also like how the folding stock is adjustable in a million different directions.

I'm aware that .338 Lapua Magnum is an atrocious 'starter caliber' for this type of shooting, but:
1) I can't beat the versatility of the round at <greater than .308 ranges>
2) I have yet to see a .408 CheyTac that pleases me aesthetically
3) I have no intention of dabbling in .50 BMG; although I see an Anzio 20mm in the distant (distant, distant) future.

Also, I'm trying to keep variety in my intended collection, and I don't want too many .30 caliber rifles crowding the selection. It was hard enough to cut down my 9mm Wish-List to a reasonable number... Too many fascinating handguns are 9mm.

I plan to tame the .338 with a suppressor, as well. This build won't be an overnight piece. I'm just looking for advice and recommendations on how to jump into the realm of long-range marksmanship & gear suggestions to make my build better than an out-of-box XM2010.

-Teddy

 

[Sportin Wood]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Call and talk to Chris at Benchmark Barrels. They have been turning out 338 barrels like crazy!! 360-652-2594

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I have a 300WM built on a trued and blueprinted remington 700La, with a bartlien amu contour 1-10 twist barrel set in the cadex strike 33 chassis. I get .75 groups at 200yds with 208gr Amax bullest, 75gr H-1000, federal match primmers, lupua brass. No problem with head shoots at 1000yds if i do my part. This is a heavy system, but with magnum calibers you want the extra weight.
If you have a good gun smith you should be able to build this system for around $3-4000 plus optics. This is as close as you are going to get to the real deal, i believe remington uses saturn barrels on theirs. The cadex chassis is a vary good solid system. Good luck

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I've been recommended to check Bartlien, Broughton, Krieger, Hart & LiJia for barrels.
Surgeon, McGowan & Shilen for Actions.
And Drake Associates for a significantly cheaper Chassis.
Thoughts on each company?

The specs I got from Remington mostly apply to accessories:
Either Schmidt/Bender or Leupold
AAC 90-tooth muzzle-brake.
AAC Titan-QD.
LaRue/Harris LT130 (LTI?) LM-S Bipod.
Remington's brand of Scope rings.

$4000 is a comfortable price for the base gun. Perhaps up to $2k on optics?

Thanks, Razor74.

By the way, what's up with these cheesy posting icons? This feels like MySpace. This site has a very professional look, except for that.

Regards,
-Teddy

 

[Km22]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Call GAP, I'm sure they can hook you up.

 

[JB02]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Razor74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 300WM built on a trued and blueprinted remington 700La, with a bartlien amu contour 1-10 twist barrel set in the cadex strike 33 chassis. I get .75 groups at 200yds with 208gr Amax bullest, 75gr H-1000, federal match primmers, lupua brass. No problem with head shoots at 1000yds if i do my part. This is a heavy system, but with magnum calibers you want the extra weight.
If you have a good gun smith you should be able to build this system for around $3-4000 plus optics. This is as close as you are going to get to the real deal, i believe remington uses saturn barrels on theirs. The cadex chassis is a vary good solid system. Good luck</div></div>

Where did you find 300 WM Lapua brass?

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I got it from a friend, i will check with him and get back to you.

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

No problem. Not sure about the icons. Chris at Drake Associates is great to deal with, he is who i delt with when i got my chassis. All of these barrel are top notch, but for me Bartien and Lothar Walther are the tops right now. I have always had great success with them.
Just a side note the Remington RACS chassis is out in short action, but it alone will cost you about $5000. Not sure if they even plan on releasing it in long action. I personaly feel that the Cadex chassis is better with the upgrades they have incorperated.

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I got them from a friend, i will check with him and let you know.

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Remington stole CADEX's design--from what I've been told. Didn't even acknowledge them as designers...

I'd go CADEX or Drake for the Chassis (And I'll ask for Chris @Drake; Thank you!!). With the praise it's received, Bartlien for the bbl.

Does the seller or a 'smith take care of trueing the bbl.?

Once I get the trued action, everything else is miniscule potatoes.



How is this pending Assault Weapons Ban going to effect my progress towards this?

Regards,
-Teddy

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

You are right, they contracted cadex to design the chassis then sourced it to someone else. Cadex has since made inprovements over the RACS system. Chris at Drake Associates can and will sell you a complete rifle for around $5000. This will save you alot of time if you have the coin. He should be able to order the Bartlein barrel for you. If you get that barrel ask for the tight bore 1-10 twist, thats what i have and it shoots great.

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Sorry but Lapua does not make 300wm brass anymore, they stoped making it. When i have shot these out i will probly go with Nosler or Black hills. They both make pretty good brass.

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I forgot to mention, the upcoming gun control/ban should not affect bolt action rifles unless they go after high calibers as well. The chassis works on 5rd AICS mags, they should be ok.

 

[Victory]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Sounds like you aren't trying to build a 2010 clone at all, just another rifle in a chassis system.

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Razor: Thank you for pointing me to a one-stop build. Are AICS mags available in 10-rd?

@Victory: I'm starting at the XM2010, and Improving it with superior or comparable components.

I think .338 will escape a caliber ban, because it will go after .50... Because .50's are at the heart of every shooting tragedy...

 

[Brawny]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

How much experience do you have shooting magnum calibers, or even "regular" calibers? If you are not used to shooting at least a .308 I would consider that as a much better starting point for a new precision shooter. Not only is it much easier to handle, but it's also a hell of a lot cheaper. If you are new to the game then I recommend putting an XM2010 (or any large magnum) build on hold until you have a proper understanding of the fundamentals and are really ready for the step up. Remember that the "cool" factor means squat if you can't properly shoot the thing.

 

[Drake Associates]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Gents,
Please let me know how I can help in anyway with your build. We offer both chassis and complete systems, including .338LM caliber.
We have several promotional prices right now for the complete systems. If you need anything send me a PM, email or feel free to reach out to me on the phone.
Thanks

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

@Z_Whetz: I spent 4 years in the Army shooting 5.56x45, and I own a 7.62x51 FAL, but I don't shoot long range. I recently bought a 7.62x54Rmm Mosin 1891/30 PU, but I haven't shot it yet. She's gonna be my build-up to harder-kicking calibers, and scoped shooting. San Antonio is rather lacking in the <Over 200m> range availability. There're some around, but they're distances what require a road-trip and luggage -_-'
What's worse, I'm primarily a handgun shooter, so that's where my current skill is focused.

@Mr. Drake: Thank you for taking the time to post to this thread! Once I've conquered shooting my Mosin, I'll be in touch.

Regards,
-Teddy

 

[Brawny]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

First of all, don't take this the wrong way. I am only trying to be helpful by giving my opinions, which are subjective of course. There is a very big distance between the 7.62x54r and the .338lm. That being said if you mastered the fundamentals on a low powered round like the .308 or 7.62x54r, you could transition to the .338 much easier, and still use it effectively. That being said a Mosin is hardly a precision rifle by the standards most common on this site. I am not bashing Mosins, I own two myself, and they are a real blast to plink with, but either are hard pressed to hold 2moa groups. I started out with a 7mmRM, which is comparable to a .300wm, and it was hard to get used to completely managing the recoil at first, but once I got used to it, I was able to make solid hits at 1100 yards. Now if you just want the .338 so you could shoot out to 1500, I would highly recommend getting a .300wm instead, as that round can reach 2000 yards, and the ammo is cheaper and much easier to control for a new shooter. A .300 makes a good launching point for someone who wants to bump up to bigger calibers in the future, because it really makes you focus on handling recoil, and you can afford the rounds you need to learn on it. I think getting a Remington 700 action trued up and put in a Cadex, with a 26-30" barrel from one of the aforementioned makers would be a killer setup for you, and only cost you around $3,500. Then slap some high end glass on there and have a great time.

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

I would have to agree with you, if you are not used to shooting higher caliber rifles it would be better for you to go with a 308. What you might consider if you indeed plan on getting the Cadex chassis and i am in love with mine, is to get a remington 700 long action chambered in 308 and get comfortable shooting this. If you like it and feel that you are ready to move up to a magnum caliber later, all you would need to do is have you action rebarreled to say 300wm at that time.
If you don't have a long distance range that you can go to, i would not go with the 338 lapua. It is ultra expensive and you would not be able to use it to its full potential. It sounds like with ranges you have the 308 would be the best fit for you, you can still reach the 1000vd range with it and save alot on ammo. with the current state of things the cost of ammo is already increasing. Just some more food for thought.

 

[JB02]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Razor74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry but Lapua does not make 300wm brass anymore, they stoped making it. When i have shot these out i will probly go with Nosler or Black hills. They both make pretty good brass.</div></div> Yes I know they don't make it which is why I was wondering how you managed to acquire some. As it's a belted case you're probably going to need to get new brass before you know it.

 

[JB02]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c11h26no2ps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">@Z_Whetz: I spent 4 years in the Army shooting 5.56x45, and I own a 7.62x51 FAL, but I don't shoot long range. I recently bought a 7.62x54Rmm Mosin 1891/30 PU, but I haven't shot it yet. She's gonna be my build-up to harder-kicking calibers, and scoped shooting. San Antonio is rather lacking in the <Over 200m> range availability. There're some around, but they're distances what require a road-trip and luggage -_-'
What's worse, I'm primarily a handgun shooter, so that's where my current skill is focused.

@Mr. Drake: Thank you for taking the time to post to this thread! Once I've conquered shooting my Mosin, I'll be in touch.

Regards,
-Teddy</div></div>

Teddy, I recommend that you read the following as they will help you make a more informed purchase:

http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/

http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/

http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-shooting/

https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/content/docs/Binder7.pdf

Whatever rifle you end up getting, enjoy!

 

[Gray]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

Just wait til the XM2010 contract is filled, then you will be able to buy the real thing.

 

[sab9259]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

^^^^i knew you'd post this SD! Wish there was a like button because that is pure sex

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

@Z Whetz: Thank you for the input, that's the kind of information that I was looking for by posting to Sniper's Hide. I know the Mosin isn't cuttin' edge sniper technology, but it's got a history, and x54R packs a good whallop. I don't know of anywhere in all of Texas that I can shoot out to 2000 yards, so it wouldn't be fair to a .300WM to be unable to stretch it's legs to it's fullest potential. More than anything, I think I like .338LM because it's not a .30 caliber round. (I got a thing about too many guns of the same caliber; I only want to own one .308, one x54R, several 9mm's... there're too many 'cool' 9mm's...) How would .300WM and .338LM compare against, say, an African Cape Buffalo (for reference use as a 'tough sonuvabitch target')? I'm expecting a bit of a payday summer of next year which will really set the stage for exact budgeting of this project (and whether to pick .300WM or .338LM). And yeah, if I make, what is unarguably the poorer choice of .338, then I'll have to buck up and stomach the shoulder-destroying recoil. I really don't want to go through launching points and have to buy an intermediate rifle that I never wanted to own... I was considering about 27" for the barrel; are those three inches really going to make a difference (no innuendo; keepin' this professional)? For the high-end glass, I'm looking for feedback on whether I should get a Leupold Mark 4 ER/T or a Schmidt-Bender P&M II/LP/MTC/LT (Can they add enough acronyms to it!?).

@LCDR JGB: Thank you for the articles! A lot of reading ahead of me.

@Special Delivery: The 'real thing' retails for $18,000... the only two upsides are it comes in it's own snazzy hard case, and the AAC Titan-QD is included in the whole order... I was planning to pick up the Titan while waiting for the action to get trued and assembled. That picture you posted looks like, I'd guess, a 24" barrel, which has a good look in proportion to the length of the rail... And aesthetics influence many of my decisions in firearms purchases...
I like things that have a unique look to them, like my Franchi SPAS-12.
Also, not sure how I feel about dark earth scheme.

Oh, and if I can take the recoil of a SPAS-12 one handed right into the webbing of my hand, I think I can give .338 a fightin' chance.

Separate concern: I have a 6X Realist Auto/Ranging Scope, circa 1960. It came with my FAL, and it isn't the optic I want to have on it. Anybody got an idea what it's worth?

I have never yet had firearm buyer's remorse.

I continue to appreciate all of the advice you learned marksmen are imparting upon me.
-Teddy

 

[Razor74]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

That XM2010 is one impressive maachine!

 

[c11h26no2ps]

Re: Where to begin: XM2010 Clone Build

To everyone following this thread:

Merry Christmas!

-Teddy

 

[Aries256]

Saving this thread because I too wanted to build a xm2010 .338 lap. Or just simply build my own heavy chassis .338 lap. Have no idea where to start besides a action, and living in commifornia not sure where is a good place to get custom parts and such.