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Re: Firefighters ambushed, killed, responding to fire.
Saw that today... heard it on the news as it was breaking.
All I can say is WTF is wrong with people.
Here's to a better 2013 and stay safe out there, brothers.
Sirhr
Saw that today... heard it on the news as it was breaking.
All I can say is WTF is wrong with people.
Here's to a better 2013 and stay safe out there, brothers.
Sirhr
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RIP Gentlemen
Now, a convicted felon, with guns, in New York of all places. How is that possible with all the restrictions in place??
RIP Gentlemen
Now, a convicted felon, with guns, in New York of all places. How is that possible with all the restrictions in place??
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How is it possible? OBVIOUSLY because there aren't ENOUGH restrictions! MORE RESTRICTIONS!! HURRY!!
How is it possible? OBVIOUSLY because there aren't ENOUGH restrictions! MORE RESTRICTIONS!! HURRY!!
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60 something REPEAT felon, fucking scum chicken shit. killed his sister from wht I heard.
60 something REPEAT felon, fucking scum chicken shit. killed his sister from wht I heard.
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...had a long history of violence
and was STILL on the streets
My take on things is that this country has gone far enough. It is damn time to start shooting back, everyone carry open; rifles shotguns, pistols, whatever. Someone starts some criminal shit, 10 or 12 magazines from 10 or 12 people get emptied
...had a long history of violence
and was STILL on the streets
My take on things is that this country has gone far enough. It is damn time to start shooting back, everyone carry open; rifles shotguns, pistols, whatever. Someone starts some criminal shit, 10 or 12 magazines from 10 or 12 people get emptied
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as much as I would like to disagree with you Switch, I truthfully can't. I seriously think we might be taking the Second Amendment for a testdrive in the very near future.
as much as I would like to disagree with you Switch, I truthfully can't. I seriously think we might be taking the Second Amendment for a testdrive in the very near future.
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We have reached a state where the government is really starting to piss people off. The essential thought that makes the historic move from status quo to revolutionary thought is in it's intermediate stages. The 'gentry' is getting mad because they are not being listened to. When the gentry gets mad, the common man follows. When the common man gets mad, revolutionary thought enters it's final stages. Our nation has taken this historically proven path pre War for Independence, pre Civil War, and prior to the many small skirmishes between the people and the local governments who were corrupt and had to be stopped by armed people.
This same thought was in it's higher levels before the Viet Nam war but revolution was kept to a minimum because people were busy fighting in Viet Nam. After Viet Nam, the country settled down. The process took longer and was coming to a slight hill before the Desert Storm War. That small skirmish caused the thought to die down, only to rear it's head around 1998 or so a few years before the GWOT.
So far, each time this thought has crested toward rising higher, there has been a war that brought together the gentry and the common man and relaxed the rise toward Revolutionary Thought. As we finalize the GWOT hot war, we find ourselves fully involved in the emergent stages of Revolutionary Thought. This process is growing and the process will not stop until something happens to stop it. What will stop it? War toward the outside that galvanizes the people, or Civil War within that will split the people, this time on values, taxes, and overburdening government wasting money on those who do not want to work for it(many other issues that are common to both gentry and common man that revolve around basic values of right and wrong). This, I am afraid, is the historic path this country follows every ten to twenty years since it's inception. As a Democratic Republic, it has lived to it's final comparison days to the model of the Roman Senate. Like the Roman Senate, the perceived view is that corruption overrides common sense and the fall is imminent. Only large changes for the good can fix it, or as many have said in our early years as a nation, the roots of the trees of Liberty must be freshened with the blood of the good and that of the tyrannical.
We have reached a state where the government is really starting to piss people off. The essential thought that makes the historic move from status quo to revolutionary thought is in it's intermediate stages. The 'gentry' is getting mad because they are not being listened to. When the gentry gets mad, the common man follows. When the common man gets mad, revolutionary thought enters it's final stages. Our nation has taken this historically proven path pre War for Independence, pre Civil War, and prior to the many small skirmishes between the people and the local governments who were corrupt and had to be stopped by armed people.
This same thought was in it's higher levels before the Viet Nam war but revolution was kept to a minimum because people were busy fighting in Viet Nam. After Viet Nam, the country settled down. The process took longer and was coming to a slight hill before the Desert Storm War. That small skirmish caused the thought to die down, only to rear it's head around 1998 or so a few years before the GWOT.
So far, each time this thought has crested toward rising higher, there has been a war that brought together the gentry and the common man and relaxed the rise toward Revolutionary Thought. As we finalize the GWOT hot war, we find ourselves fully involved in the emergent stages of Revolutionary Thought. This process is growing and the process will not stop until something happens to stop it. What will stop it? War toward the outside that galvanizes the people, or Civil War within that will split the people, this time on values, taxes, and overburdening government wasting money on those who do not want to work for it(many other issues that are common to both gentry and common man that revolve around basic values of right and wrong). This, I am afraid, is the historic path this country follows every ten to twenty years since it's inception. As a Democratic Republic, it has lived to it's final comparison days to the model of the Roman Senate. Like the Roman Senate, the perceived view is that corruption overrides common sense and the fall is imminent. Only large changes for the good can fix it, or as many have said in our early years as a nation, the roots of the trees of Liberty must be freshened with the blood of the good and that of the tyrannical.
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The typical citizen of this country does not, nor will in the future have the "BALLS" to do anything about what is currently facing this country, to much of the ME attitude, Save but for the Military and a percenage of the Public Servant LEO, or FD does anyone want to put their ass on the line for anyone or for what is right, we have become a very much "not my business" or I am not geting involved mentality. Revolution---Bullshit!, never will happen and the government knows it, no fear of the citizenry, Look at the last election, answers many questions and puts to bed any doubt about the American Voter and the apathy of what is right or wrong with the future of the US. Piss down my back and tell me it is a warm Sprng Rain-Hell, I will believe it. Apathy has taken over, get used to it. Remember the 60's and the Viet Nam debacle and demonstrations, you will never see anything like that again, or we would have seen it by now.
The typical citizen of this country does not, nor will in the future have the "BALLS" to do anything about what is currently facing this country, to much of the ME attitude, Save but for the Military and a percenage of the Public Servant LEO, or FD does anyone want to put their ass on the line for anyone or for what is right, we have become a very much "not my business" or I am not geting involved mentality. Revolution---Bullshit!, never will happen and the government knows it, no fear of the citizenry, Look at the last election, answers many questions and puts to bed any doubt about the American Voter and the apathy of what is right or wrong with the future of the US. Piss down my back and tell me it is a warm Sprng Rain-Hell, I will believe it. Apathy has taken over, get used to it. Remember the 60's and the Viet Nam debacle and demonstrations, you will never see anything like that again, or we would have seen it by now.
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83 Brothers paid the ultimate price this year and we still have a few days left. Be safe out there.
There are a few departments out there that do have vests on their engines.
83 Brothers paid the ultimate price this year and we still have a few days left. Be safe out there.
There are a few departments out there that do have vests on their engines.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mustafa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is it possible? OBVIOUSLY because there aren't ENOUGH restrictions! MORE RESTRICTIONS!! HURRY!!</div></div>
lolz. it's sad that the jacks pushing for all these new laws can't understand that laws don't prevent crimes, only punish for them after the fact - and they don't do this well when the perpetrator offs himself in the process...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mustafa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is it possible? OBVIOUSLY because there aren't ENOUGH restrictions! MORE RESTRICTIONS!! HURRY!!</div></div>
lolz. it's sad that the jacks pushing for all these new laws can't understand that laws don't prevent crimes, only punish for them after the fact - and they don't do this well when the perpetrator offs himself in the process...
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I blame the judge for giving him 17 years for murdering his grandmother. Death or a life sentence and those fireman would be alive today. But someone will ultimately blame the gun....
I blame the judge for giving him 17 years for murdering his grandmother. Death or a life sentence and those fireman would be alive today. But someone will ultimately blame the gun....
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Murdering your Grandmother with a hammer should be a pretty good sign that the person is permanently messed up in the head.
Murdering your Grandmother with a hammer should be a pretty good sign that the person is permanently messed up in the head.
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He should have rotted in prison or put to death. I think if your convicted of murder, death penalty! The headlines quoted a Bushmaster and a (Mossman) was used, shows you how much they know.
He should have rotted in prison or put to death. I think if your convicted of murder, death penalty! The headlines quoted a Bushmaster and a (Mossman) was used, shows you how much they know.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AREAONE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The typical citizen of this country does not, nor will in the future have the "BALLS" to do anything about what is currently facing this country, to much of the ME attitude, Save but for the Military and a percenage of the Public Servant LEO, or FD does anyone want to put their ass on the line for anyone or for what is right, we have become a very much "not my business" or I am not geting involved mentality. Revolution---Bullshit!, never will happen and the government knows it, no fear of the citizenry, Look at the last election, answers many questions and puts to bed any doubt about the American Voter and the apathy of what is right or wrong with the future of the US. Piss down my back and tell me it is a warm Sprng Rain-Hell, I will believe it. Apathy has taken over, get used to it. Remember the 60's and the Viet Nam debacle and demonstrations, you will never see anything like that again, or we would have seen it by now.</div></div>
I get your frustration, but Switch nailed it. Look up what percentage of American colonists actually took up arms...I think you'll be surprised.
A very small percentage of the population that is willing to give up everything can literally change the course of history. We will see.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AREAONE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The typical citizen of this country does not, nor will in the future have the "BALLS" to do anything about what is currently facing this country, to much of the ME attitude, Save but for the Military and a percenage of the Public Servant LEO, or FD does anyone want to put their ass on the line for anyone or for what is right, we have become a very much "not my business" or I am not geting involved mentality. Revolution---Bullshit!, never will happen and the government knows it, no fear of the citizenry, Look at the last election, answers many questions and puts to bed any doubt about the American Voter and the apathy of what is right or wrong with the future of the US. Piss down my back and tell me it is a warm Sprng Rain-Hell, I will believe it. Apathy has taken over, get used to it. Remember the 60's and the Viet Nam debacle and demonstrations, you will never see anything like that again, or we would have seen it by now.</div></div>
I get your frustration, but Switch nailed it. Look up what percentage of American colonists actually took up arms...I think you'll be surprised.
A very small percentage of the population that is willing to give up everything can literally change the course of history. We will see.
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Yes... and was a convicted felon. Unlawful for him to possess ANY firearm other than a muzzle-loader.
But ask BATF whether they will investigate, arrest and put together a case of any instance of a felon with a firearm to the federal prosecutor. The answer is: "no." Prosecution of convicted felons arrested by state/local LE with firearms is not a priority.
I literally JUST went through this with a felon less than a month ago. Got the previously convicted felon (violent crimes background) in question unequivocally with a firearm in his possession. Federal crime. But feds won't prosecute. BATF told us "not interested, you can give the firearm to state police for destruction." And this is from Feds that I work with on a regular basis.
More un-enforced laws (that only 'good' people will obey) has always been the priority when it comes to gun control. Prosecution of those laws that have been on the books for decades is roundly ignored, because the laws passed are useless.
And thus we have another root of today's problems.
Personally, I swore an oath to uphold the law and The Constitition. Not the laws and Amendments that were convenient and trendy. And while I won't advocate Switchblade's position... I certainly think folks should listen closely to his words.
In disgust...
Sirhr
Yes... and was a convicted felon. Unlawful for him to possess ANY firearm other than a muzzle-loader.
But ask BATF whether they will investigate, arrest and put together a case of any instance of a felon with a firearm to the federal prosecutor. The answer is: "no." Prosecution of convicted felons arrested by state/local LE with firearms is not a priority.
I literally JUST went through this with a felon less than a month ago. Got the previously convicted felon (violent crimes background) in question unequivocally with a firearm in his possession. Federal crime. But feds won't prosecute. BATF told us "not interested, you can give the firearm to state police for destruction." And this is from Feds that I work with on a regular basis.
More un-enforced laws (that only 'good' people will obey) has always been the priority when it comes to gun control. Prosecution of those laws that have been on the books for decades is roundly ignored, because the laws passed are useless.
And thus we have another root of today's problems.
Personally, I swore an oath to uphold the law and The Constitition. Not the laws and Amendments that were convenient and trendy. And while I won't advocate Switchblade's position... I certainly think folks should listen closely to his words.
In disgust...
Sirhr
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KYpatriot...those colnists took up arms against a foreign invader or occupier of the colonies, more to the background of the Revolution than most know from the History books, economics of the wealthy was a strong underlying tone to the Revolution. Proven in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan an occupying force has a difficult time overwhelming the native population. A Revolution in this country would be in fact a Civil War, Revolutions in South American Countrys are in fact Civil Wars, nomenclature to the PC are referred to as a Revolution. One mans Revolution is the other mans Civil War. The terminology "Civil War" has for the most part been reserved to our North South Conflict and normally not associated with other Country's internal strife. Syria today, a civil war or revolution? Depends on who is doing the reporting. Until the Military and Law enforcement of all branches support any type of "revolt" it will not occur.
KYpatriot...those colnists took up arms against a foreign invader or occupier of the colonies, more to the background of the Revolution than most know from the History books, economics of the wealthy was a strong underlying tone to the Revolution. Proven in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan an occupying force has a difficult time overwhelming the native population. A Revolution in this country would be in fact a Civil War, Revolutions in South American Countrys are in fact Civil Wars, nomenclature to the PC are referred to as a Revolution. One mans Revolution is the other mans Civil War. The terminology "Civil War" has for the most part been reserved to our North South Conflict and normally not associated with other Country's internal strife. Syria today, a civil war or revolution? Depends on who is doing the reporting. Until the Military and Law enforcement of all branches support any type of "revolt" it will not occur.
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I know many members of the military that take their oath to defend this country from domestic enemies very seriously. Just because the government runs the military doesn't mean the sides are clearly defined when it comes to a revolution. All it takes is a single high ranking officer to make a world of difference.
As for felons with guns.... A guy I went to high school with finished his felony burglary sentence earlier this year. He has been all over Facebook trying to trade random shit for firearms. Random shit that, I'd bet anything, was stolen. I told LEO friend of mine about it. He informed his chief and that was that.... He's still on Facebook trying trade random ass 4 wheelers and car audio components.
I know many members of the military that take their oath to defend this country from domestic enemies very seriously. Just because the government runs the military doesn't mean the sides are clearly defined when it comes to a revolution. All it takes is a single high ranking officer to make a world of difference.
As for felons with guns.... A guy I went to high school with finished his felony burglary sentence earlier this year. He has been all over Facebook trying to trade random shit for firearms. Random shit that, I'd bet anything, was stolen. I told LEO friend of mine about it. He informed his chief and that was that.... He's still on Facebook trying trade random ass 4 wheelers and car audio components.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fx77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And did U hear he had a
Bushmaster 223, Mossberg, and 38 handgun.... </div></div>
Just to add to fx77's post, it was the flash suppression that made him able to do his dirty deeds.
Quote from the ASSociated press:"But his intent was unmistakable when he left his flaming home carrying a pump-action shotgun, a .38-caliber revolver and a .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26.
"He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people," the chief said of a felon who wasn't allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fx77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And did U hear he had a
Bushmaster 223, Mossberg, and 38 handgun.... </div></div>
Just to add to fx77's post, it was the flash suppression that made him able to do his dirty deeds.
Quote from the ASSociated press:"But his intent was unmistakable when he left his flaming home carrying a pump-action shotgun, a .38-caliber revolver and a .223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26.
"He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people," the chief said of a felon who wasn't allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them."
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I expect to see many more shootings by AR's in the near future as part of the domestic version of Fast and Furious.
Banhammer in 3... 2.. 1
I expect to see many more shootings by AR's in the near future as part of the domestic version of Fast and Furious.
Banhammer in 3... 2.. 1
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have reached a state where the government is really starting to piss people off. The essential thought that makes the historic move from status quo to revolutionary thought is in it's intermediate stages. The 'gentry' is getting mad because they are not being listened to. When the gentry gets mad, the common man follows. When the common man gets mad, revolutionary thought enters it's final stages. Our nation has taken this historically proven path pre War for Independence, pre Civil War, and prior to the many small skirmishes between the people and the local governments who were corrupt and had to be stopped by armed people.
This same thought was in it's higher levels before the Viet Nam war but revolution was kept to a minimum because people were busy fighting in Viet Nam. After Viet Nam, the country settled down. The process took longer and was coming to a slight hill before the Desert Storm War. That small skirmish caused the thought to die down, only to rear it's head around 1998 or so a few years before the GWOT.
So far, each time this thought has crested toward rising higher, there has been a war that brought together the gentry and the common man and relaxed the rise toward Revolutionary Thought. As we finalize the GWOT hot war, we find ourselves fully involved in the emergent stages of Revolutionary Thought. This process is growing and the process will not stop until something happens to stop it. What will stop it? War toward the outside that galvanizes the people, or Civil War within that will split the people, this time on values, taxes, and overburdening government wasting money on those who do not want to work for it(many other issues that are common to both gentry and common man that revolve around basic values of right and wrong). This, I am afraid, is the historic path this country follows every ten to twenty years since it's inception. As a Democratic Republic, it has lived to it's final comparison days to the model of the Roman Senate. Like the Roman Senate, the perceived view is that corruption overrides common sense and the fall is imminent. Only large changes for the good can fix it, or as many have said in our early years as a nation, the roots of the trees of Liberty must be freshened with the blood of the good and that of the tyrannical. </div></div> I hear what you are saying, but Firefighters??? All they do is help people!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have reached a state where the government is really starting to piss people off. The essential thought that makes the historic move from status quo to revolutionary thought is in it's intermediate stages. The 'gentry' is getting mad because they are not being listened to. When the gentry gets mad, the common man follows. When the common man gets mad, revolutionary thought enters it's final stages. Our nation has taken this historically proven path pre War for Independence, pre Civil War, and prior to the many small skirmishes between the people and the local governments who were corrupt and had to be stopped by armed people.
This same thought was in it's higher levels before the Viet Nam war but revolution was kept to a minimum because people were busy fighting in Viet Nam. After Viet Nam, the country settled down. The process took longer and was coming to a slight hill before the Desert Storm War. That small skirmish caused the thought to die down, only to rear it's head around 1998 or so a few years before the GWOT.
So far, each time this thought has crested toward rising higher, there has been a war that brought together the gentry and the common man and relaxed the rise toward Revolutionary Thought. As we finalize the GWOT hot war, we find ourselves fully involved in the emergent stages of Revolutionary Thought. This process is growing and the process will not stop until something happens to stop it. What will stop it? War toward the outside that galvanizes the people, or Civil War within that will split the people, this time on values, taxes, and overburdening government wasting money on those who do not want to work for it(many other issues that are common to both gentry and common man that revolve around basic values of right and wrong). This, I am afraid, is the historic path this country follows every ten to twenty years since it's inception. As a Democratic Republic, it has lived to it's final comparison days to the model of the Roman Senate. Like the Roman Senate, the perceived view is that corruption overrides common sense and the fall is imminent. Only large changes for the good can fix it, or as many have said in our early years as a nation, the roots of the trees of Liberty must be freshened with the blood of the good and that of the tyrannical. </div></div> I hear what you are saying, but Firefighters??? All they do is help people!!!
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Firefighters, police officers, EMT's, it doesn't matter. These idiots are only doing this to catch the attention of the general public. What did General Tsu say? "Kill one person, terrorize a thousand" or something like that.
For some of you guys old enough to remember the Watts riots back in the 70's, That was not isolated to one area of the country. That was wide spread militancy.
I was an active firefighter just outside of Philadelphia and we were getting fire calls in questionable neighborhoods on a regular basis. As we would roll in, we were having garbage cans, bricks, almost anything thrown off of house roofs at the rigs and the guys riding the back step. It was getting so bad that we would have to stage a few blocks away from a fully involved (deliberately set) fire until the police could secure the area. Mercifully, that time frame did not last very long, but it was still too long in my opinion.
I spent 17 years on the job before moving to AZ and felt that I did a lot of good for a lot of folks in need on immediate assistance at the time. The only thing that really used to irk me was the idiot motorists that loved to try to cut off the responding engine or otherwise play chicken with us. I guess they felt that it was more important for them to get where they were going than it was where we were going.
I legally carried then, and I continue to legally carry now. Among the folks that I work for now are a few goofy females, aka ostriches, that have their heads stuck in the sand that want all guns taken away. They don't have a frickin' clue and everything that they talk about is emotion based anyway.
Firefighters, police officers, EMT's, it doesn't matter. These idiots are only doing this to catch the attention of the general public. What did General Tsu say? "Kill one person, terrorize a thousand" or something like that.
For some of you guys old enough to remember the Watts riots back in the 70's, That was not isolated to one area of the country. That was wide spread militancy.
I was an active firefighter just outside of Philadelphia and we were getting fire calls in questionable neighborhoods on a regular basis. As we would roll in, we were having garbage cans, bricks, almost anything thrown off of house roofs at the rigs and the guys riding the back step. It was getting so bad that we would have to stage a few blocks away from a fully involved (deliberately set) fire until the police could secure the area. Mercifully, that time frame did not last very long, but it was still too long in my opinion.
I spent 17 years on the job before moving to AZ and felt that I did a lot of good for a lot of folks in need on immediate assistance at the time. The only thing that really used to irk me was the idiot motorists that loved to try to cut off the responding engine or otherwise play chicken with us. I guess they felt that it was more important for them to get where they were going than it was where we were going.
I legally carried then, and I continue to legally carry now. Among the folks that I work for now are a few goofy females, aka ostriches, that have their heads stuck in the sand that want all guns taken away. They don't have a frickin' clue and everything that they talk about is emotion based anyway.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear what you are saying, but Firefighters??? All they do is help people!!!</div></div>
The point is not that they were firefighters (or children, for that matter) - it's that they were unarmed.
The f*ckheads that are looking to perform these atrocities are looking for victims, not a gunfight. They want to murder, not engage in combat. Given that, why would they attack someone who could defend themselves?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear what you are saying, but Firefighters??? All they do is help people!!!</div></div>
The point is not that they were firefighters (or children, for that matter) - it's that they were unarmed.
The f*ckheads that are looking to perform these atrocities are looking for victims, not a gunfight. They want to murder, not engage in combat. Given that, why would they attack someone who could defend themselves?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MarkinAZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I legally carried then, and I continue to legally carry now. Among the folks that I work for now are a few goofy females, aka ostriches, that have their heads stuck in the sand that want all guns taken away. They don't have a frickin' clue and everything that they talk about is emotion based anyway.</div></div>
They also believe, deep down, that someone else should take care of them, and that all problems can be "solved" by that imaginary person.
As long as there have been men, there has been atrocity. You cannot "solve" human nature. And .gov screws up way more than it can ever fix.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MarkinAZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I legally carried then, and I continue to legally carry now. Among the folks that I work for now are a few goofy females, aka ostriches, that have their heads stuck in the sand that want all guns taken away. They don't have a frickin' clue and everything that they talk about is emotion based anyway.</div></div>
They also believe, deep down, that someone else should take care of them, and that all problems can be "solved" by that imaginary person.
As long as there have been men, there has been atrocity. You cannot "solve" human nature. And .gov screws up way more than it can ever fix.
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