I recently purchased a Savage 10 FCP HS 5R and this is the result. i wanted to get this information out to the public for a few reasons. One, i'm not sure that what i'm being told is correct and feel like i'm being led along as to not create a problem for Savage. And two, if what Savage has told me is correct their customers are in for a big surprise as their HS line of FCP's will be shipped with a stock that is completely different that the one they think they will be getting. I realize that the 5R is a different gun to a minimal degree and an exclusive run of guns. But as Savage has confirmed, still falls into the FCP HS line of guns, and should be fitted with all the same equipment, with an exception of barrel threading and rifling.
Let me start this with the preface that I have never had any issues with the quality of Savage firearms and they continue to maintain a standard of excellence and accuracy that for production guns is outstanding.
However: buyer be ware. The item that is pictured on Savages site is not the one that you will be receiving this items (19056) is in fact a Savage 10 FCP, but it is not shipped with the HS Precision stock that is depicted (HS PST114). The stock it is shipped with is the HS PSS001 (except for the Savage variant), a completely different stock. The barrel is also fluted.
Now none of these things are necessarily bad with the exception that it is not the gun that I wanted, nor under the impression that I ordered. I am not unhappy with the firearm and its fit and finish are excellent. Its just not the gun I thought I was getting.
Buds Gun Shop told me that it was a Savage problem. For the record, I spoke to a man who was very helpful but informed me that BUDS DOES NOT OPEN THE BOXES WHEN THEY ARE SHIPPED TO THEIR FACILITY FROM THE MANUFACTURE. The man stated that the items are processed in and held until purchased. He basically stated to me that no one at Buds would have known the wiser about the stock and that they use the description on Savages web page for the item being sold. I sincerely hope that I misunderstood him, or he was mistaken about this matter.
I run a business dealing with firearms and have done so for quite a while and every item that is purchased from a manufacture on my end, is inspected for QC before it is ever made available to the customer. No exceptions.
Before I called savage I called HS to find out which model numbers were sold to Savage for the FCP line. I asked the man I spoke to if he could pull up the web site and review the picture of the savage 10 FCP HS and tell me what stock he thought it was. He stated it appeared to be the PST114, which he later confirmed was one of only 2 stock that savage bought directly from them.
I spoke with Savage about the matter and NO ONE could tell me anything about this gun. I had to weasel and bully my way all the way up to the president of the company (who I never spoke to) until I could get an answer.
I finally got to some one that asked me to send a picture of which I did, later advising me that it looked like my gun was shipped with the wrong stock and would have someone contact me to fix it. (I later received a phone call back from Buds advising me that they believed the gun had been shipped to them with the wrong stock as well)
Savage told me that this gun IS an exclusive series and has been in limited production. (they did not tell me who for) The woman I spoke to advised me that she did not understand why I was upset if the gun I had received actually had an HS Precision stock on it. When I explained the difference in the two stocks she requested a picture of which I had already sent in to Savage. After reviewing the picture she stated to me that there was no problem…. Not understanding all of this I nearly exploded. She further stated that this was the same line as the FCP HS with a different barrel and should be shipped with an HS stock. After calming down I asked why the pictured stock was different than the one I received? I was advised that the engineering department at Savage had decided to make a change to the style of stock that WILL and ARE being put on to the ENTIRE HS line of FCP’s. (I find this really hard to believe)
The woman informed me that even if I sent the stock back to them and requested a correct stock it would be the same one that I have. Savage part number 106648, is no longer the HS Precision PST114 (according to this woman). Savage reps were not able to tell me which HS stock I even had. The woman stated that “Savage does not have that information on hand, only the designated Savage part number. (106648)”
SO… This is an excellent looking gun. But it is not shipped with the pictured HS stock and has an addition of fluting in the barrel. Which I was also later told is standard for this exclusive gun. And is also left out of the description as shown at Buds Gun Shop and on the Savage website.
In all of this, and spending a grand on the gun no one offered to have the firearm returned, or a new, (or now I guess old) stock shipped to me. NO one offered to fix the problem and basically just said sorry our picture is wrong.
If what I being told is correct then the HS 5R is a COMPLETELY different gun than the standard FCP HS, meaning that as an "exclusive" item should have a separate description naming why. But Savage has told be this is not correct, because it is just an FCP HS with 5R barrel rifling. Kind of contradictory if you ask me.
It is my belief that one of two things has happened with this gun. Because it is an “exclusive” item, was never intended to have the HS PST114 and was never intended to be advertised out side of the exclusive distributor, therefore no actual description existed, leaving that task up to the distributor who is selling it. Or Savage shipped it with the wrong stock and is reluctant to fess up to the matter.
I think it is absolutely insane that I was told what I was in regards to an “engineering department change” and the image online is still the “old” stock. For the simple matter that this now impacts thousands of buyers, who have no idea that the stock model has changed.
Smells like sh** to me…
Any one out there in have an FCP HS 5R that they can confirm or deny what I have been told? Can anyone post a Picture of their gun so I can see? I researched this gun quite a bit on this forum as well as others before buying it and never came to the impression it was shipped with anything other that the stock it was pictured with.
I wanted the 5R barrel and to me the stock was an addition (though a very expensive one). My argument to the woman at savage was that I would not have purchased this gun if I would have known it came with a different stock. That’s when she basically said sorry our picture is wrong…
I am still not convinced that what I was told is entirely correct. I don’t have a lot of experience with 5R barrels but I counted 5 lands and grooves so I think I’m good there. But I also wanted the HS stock that was pictured and now have the same type of stock that is on my Remington, which I wanted an upgrade from. Needless to say I am happy I have a new gun, but fairly pissed about the whole deal in general.
Let me start this with the preface that I have never had any issues with the quality of Savage firearms and they continue to maintain a standard of excellence and accuracy that for production guns is outstanding.
However: buyer be ware. The item that is pictured on Savages site is not the one that you will be receiving this items (19056) is in fact a Savage 10 FCP, but it is not shipped with the HS Precision stock that is depicted (HS PST114). The stock it is shipped with is the HS PSS001 (except for the Savage variant), a completely different stock. The barrel is also fluted.
Now none of these things are necessarily bad with the exception that it is not the gun that I wanted, nor under the impression that I ordered. I am not unhappy with the firearm and its fit and finish are excellent. Its just not the gun I thought I was getting.
Buds Gun Shop told me that it was a Savage problem. For the record, I spoke to a man who was very helpful but informed me that BUDS DOES NOT OPEN THE BOXES WHEN THEY ARE SHIPPED TO THEIR FACILITY FROM THE MANUFACTURE. The man stated that the items are processed in and held until purchased. He basically stated to me that no one at Buds would have known the wiser about the stock and that they use the description on Savages web page for the item being sold. I sincerely hope that I misunderstood him, or he was mistaken about this matter.
I run a business dealing with firearms and have done so for quite a while and every item that is purchased from a manufacture on my end, is inspected for QC before it is ever made available to the customer. No exceptions.
Before I called savage I called HS to find out which model numbers were sold to Savage for the FCP line. I asked the man I spoke to if he could pull up the web site and review the picture of the savage 10 FCP HS and tell me what stock he thought it was. He stated it appeared to be the PST114, which he later confirmed was one of only 2 stock that savage bought directly from them.
I spoke with Savage about the matter and NO ONE could tell me anything about this gun. I had to weasel and bully my way all the way up to the president of the company (who I never spoke to) until I could get an answer.
I finally got to some one that asked me to send a picture of which I did, later advising me that it looked like my gun was shipped with the wrong stock and would have someone contact me to fix it. (I later received a phone call back from Buds advising me that they believed the gun had been shipped to them with the wrong stock as well)
Savage told me that this gun IS an exclusive series and has been in limited production. (they did not tell me who for) The woman I spoke to advised me that she did not understand why I was upset if the gun I had received actually had an HS Precision stock on it. When I explained the difference in the two stocks she requested a picture of which I had already sent in to Savage. After reviewing the picture she stated to me that there was no problem…. Not understanding all of this I nearly exploded. She further stated that this was the same line as the FCP HS with a different barrel and should be shipped with an HS stock. After calming down I asked why the pictured stock was different than the one I received? I was advised that the engineering department at Savage had decided to make a change to the style of stock that WILL and ARE being put on to the ENTIRE HS line of FCP’s. (I find this really hard to believe)
The woman informed me that even if I sent the stock back to them and requested a correct stock it would be the same one that I have. Savage part number 106648, is no longer the HS Precision PST114 (according to this woman). Savage reps were not able to tell me which HS stock I even had. The woman stated that “Savage does not have that information on hand, only the designated Savage part number. (106648)”
SO… This is an excellent looking gun. But it is not shipped with the pictured HS stock and has an addition of fluting in the barrel. Which I was also later told is standard for this exclusive gun. And is also left out of the description as shown at Buds Gun Shop and on the Savage website.
In all of this, and spending a grand on the gun no one offered to have the firearm returned, or a new, (or now I guess old) stock shipped to me. NO one offered to fix the problem and basically just said sorry our picture is wrong.
If what I being told is correct then the HS 5R is a COMPLETELY different gun than the standard FCP HS, meaning that as an "exclusive" item should have a separate description naming why. But Savage has told be this is not correct, because it is just an FCP HS with 5R barrel rifling. Kind of contradictory if you ask me.
It is my belief that one of two things has happened with this gun. Because it is an “exclusive” item, was never intended to have the HS PST114 and was never intended to be advertised out side of the exclusive distributor, therefore no actual description existed, leaving that task up to the distributor who is selling it. Or Savage shipped it with the wrong stock and is reluctant to fess up to the matter.
I think it is absolutely insane that I was told what I was in regards to an “engineering department change” and the image online is still the “old” stock. For the simple matter that this now impacts thousands of buyers, who have no idea that the stock model has changed.
Smells like sh** to me…
Any one out there in have an FCP HS 5R that they can confirm or deny what I have been told? Can anyone post a Picture of their gun so I can see? I researched this gun quite a bit on this forum as well as others before buying it and never came to the impression it was shipped with anything other that the stock it was pictured with.
I wanted the 5R barrel and to me the stock was an addition (though a very expensive one). My argument to the woman at savage was that I would not have purchased this gun if I would have known it came with a different stock. That’s when she basically said sorry our picture is wrong…
I am still not convinced that what I was told is entirely correct. I don’t have a lot of experience with 5R barrels but I counted 5 lands and grooves so I think I’m good there. But I also wanted the HS stock that was pictured and now have the same type of stock that is on my Remington, which I wanted an upgrade from. Needless to say I am happy I have a new gun, but fairly pissed about the whole deal in general.
