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Rifle Scopes Need clarification about focal planes

mzvarner

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I am new to the world of shooting and hunting so I have been doing a lot of reading lately. I have ordered a vortex viper HS 4-16x50. This is a SFP set up where the reticle stays the same size in all magnifications. My question is does this mean it will only hit POA when zeroed. So if I sight in at 100 yards on 12x and then change to 16x or 10x will my POI change (assuming each shot will be placed at the center of cross hairs and all other things are the same for each shot except magnification)?

Is this the reason to have a FFP or is it because the ffp makes it easier to estimate ranges in any magnification where as in the SFP you can only do so at the manufacturers recommended magnification?

Thanks and hope my question makes sense.
 
Your POI should not change through the magnifications. If it does, you have a scope problem.

Yes, the reason for FFP is mainly because you can range at any magnification. SFP is recommended for people who will always be shooting at a known range.
 
I don't know if I follow your first question correctly. Increasing the magnification on either a SFP or FFP scope will not alter your POI versus your POA. All it does is make the target you are shooting at appear larger to your eye. Just like a camera, when you zoom in, the subject gets larger.

The main benefit of an FFP over an SFP is that it is easier to use the reticle to range a target because the reticle in the scope grows as you increase magnification. 1 MIL/MOA is 1MIL/MOA at all magnification settings. For example, the reticle will be very small (probably will only barely be able to make out the small lines) at 4x, but at 16x the reticle is very large and very legible. This is a benefit because one MIL or one MOA (depending on the scope you buy) is always true, so it benefits in ranging a target. The negatives is that the reticle is small at lower magnification settings.

The main benefit of an SFP is that the reticle is a constant size and only the size of the target grows as magnification increases. There is only one power where you can range MIL or MOA 1:1.....which is usually the highest magnification the scope has. Ranging a target on lower magnification introduces more math to the equation because you will have to multiply your MIL/MOA estimation by a certain amount. Plus, most people are very familiar with SFP scopes because that.s what we all learned to shoot with.

I know this sounds kind of confusing, but once you get behind one/both types of scopes, the purpose of each become very evident.

I personally feel that if you always shoot at known distance targets, an SFP scope will suit you just fine. If you have a laser range finder and use it to range everything, still an SFP will be just fine.
If you shoot a lot of unknown distance stuff and use the reticle to estimate range, a FFP scope would probably be a better choice.

I kind of wish there was a flash video showing the difference between the two type of scopes because this is a very common question.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot to add......
Whatever type of scope you decide to go with, make sure that the turret adjustment matches the reticle (i.e. MIL reticle has MIL turret adjustments and not MOA adjustments).

This will just save frustration.
 
Is this the reason to have a FFP or is it because the ffp makes it easier to estimate ranges in any magnification

That is one thing but the main reason is so you can use the reticle at any magnification. Use for more than ranging. For some reason people get hung up on ranging as the main reason to have FFP and it's not. It's way down the list today with the easy access to laser range finders that are much more accurate. Using the reticle for holds for elevation, wind and movers are far more useful than ranging. Also using the reticle as a ruler to adjust for corrections both on shots on target or zeroing the scope.
 
Your POI should not change through the magnifications. If it does, you have a scope problem.

Yes, the reason for FFP is mainly because you can range at any magnification. SFP is recommended for people who will always be shooting at a known range.
BE ADVISED......... many scopes do change POI with mag. change......common problem in V.N.snipers with redfields......
 
I am new to the world of shooting and hunting so I have been doing a lot of reading lately. I have ordered a vortex viper HS 4-16x50. This is a SFP set up where the reticle stays the same size in all magnifications. My question is does this mean it will only hit POA when zeroed. So if I sight in at 100 yards on 12x and then change to 16x or 10x will my POI change (assuming each shot will be placed at the center of cross hairs and all other things are the same for each shot except magnification)?

Is this the reason to have a FFP or is it because the ffp makes it easier to estimate ranges in any magnification where as in the SFP you can only do so at the manufacturers recommended magnification?

Thanks and hope my question makes sense.

If I'm understanding what you are asking??? for both FFP and SFP, when using the main crosshair intersection for zero, it's the same for either, doesn't matter what mag either is on, shots will stay centered. The difference is this...

FFP- values for ranging, holdover, holdoff, lead, measurement, reticle thickness, are the same on all magnifications. SFP- all values change/differ except for on one magnification. BTW, the reticle thickness in a SFP appears to stay the same size but it does however change in size slightly.
 
MZ, your POI will not change, also you will not have to adjust POA. What will change is the subtension of the reticle. The Vortex tracks pretty darn good, so all you have to do is print out a dope chart, then go to the field and validate it. Use Vortex's LRBC; which is an offshoot of G7 software. Set your zero, then shoot to at least 70% of your max distance and use the software to make corrections. Once you are happy with the drops, click the reticle tab and there will be drops for your particular reticle at various magnifications. You should get a little mock reticle sticker with your scope (fits in the top of a butler creek cap), you can write in the drops at your favorite magnification.

This is a useful tool , as I have the 4-16x44 HS and find myself using 8x the most. http://www.vortexoptics.com/content/lrbc_tutorials

Look through the videos, there should be instructions on how to use the software.
 
BE ADVISED......... many scopes do change POI with mag. change......common problem in V.N.snipers with redfields......

Luckily that isn't a big problem anymore. Scopes have come a long way since then. Even less expensive scopes are better at not having POI shifts when power is adjusted. If I found that in any present day scope I would return it. It's unacceptable.
 
That is one thing but the main reason is so you can use the reticle at any magnification. Use for more than ranging. For some reason people get hung up on ranging as the main reason to have FFP and it's not. It's way down the list today with the easy access to laser range finders that are much more accurate. Using the reticle for holds for elevation, wind and movers are far more useful than ranging. Also using the reticle as a ruler to adjust for corrections both on shots on target or zeroing the scope.


^^^^THIS!! Not sure why people can't understand this. I rarely range with my reticle, I have a LRF for shooting at unknown distances.
 
x2 ^^^

unless match dictates OR you're in an absolute dire field circumstance you should have a good LRF at all times. And as stated by Rob the FFP would be used more for CONSISTENT hold overs. (your reference points don't change with magnification levels.)
 
For me, I agree as others have said, Using the reticle for holdovers at any power and to be able to use the reticle as a ruler at any power makes good sense to have FFP.