I want a trainer. ---100 yards

[rrflyer]

I have the ability to have a 100 yard range in my side yard.

Looking for a good 22lr that can be suppressed and group consistently at 100 yards.

I had a savage but the ammo/rifle combo was so inconsistent at 100 that I gave up playing with it and sold it.

Mainly going to be used for barricade and positional practice.

Looking at a used anschutz or maybe cz

 

[RTH1800]

That should do it.

 

[bobtodrick]

What's your idea of inconsistent?
The Savage's should have no problem holding 2MOA out of the box with good ammo.
With a little TLC and premium ammo 1-1.5" is pretty easy.
A CZ won't do any better...a good Anschutz will get you to an inch.

 

[rrflyer]

I was getting 2+ inch groups. It was just hard to tell if it was me or the rifle setup causing bad shots so i sold it all.

 

[rrflyer]

Inch plus groups at 50 and 2+ at a hundred at an indoor range with half a dozen shooters and many types of ammo.

To me a rifle that shoots that poorly doesn't have much training value when you can't determine if a flyer or miss is you or not.

 

[seanh]

weigh the cartridge and measure rim thickness, group accordingly.
a gauge I used to use.
http://www.benchrest.com/baldeagle/html/rimfire_gage.html

 

[bm11]

What's your idea of inconsistent?
The Savage's should have no problem holding 2MOA out of the box with good ammo.
With a little TLC and premium ammo 1-1.5" is pretty easy.
A CZ won't do any better...a good Anschutz will get you to an inch.

I bet a CZ in a Manners stock and a Lilja barrel will be MUCH more accurate that a stock Savage. Bet it's as accurate as an Anschutz.

 

[JGorski]

My cooper will do under an inch as well as my Anshcutz 54 Sporter, oh, and btw, CCI Green Tag are very quiet out of a rifle barrel.

 

[bunsen27]

Inch plus groups at 50 and 2+ at a hundred at an indoor range with half a dozen shooters and many types of ammo.

To me a rifle that shoots that poorly doesn't have much training value when you can't determine if a flyer or miss is you or not.

That sounds like it was certainly the rifle.

I bet a CZ in a Manners stock and a Lilja barrel will be MUCH more accurate that a stock Savage. Bet it's as accurate as an Anschutz.

It's certainly getting in the ballpark of Anz 64 MPR accuarcy wise. I personally think going with a CZ455 (Varmint or Tacticool) and later adding a Lija or other high end target barrel is the best bang for your buck these days. Nearly Anz 64 MPR accuracy at a slightly reduced cost, however without the outstanding Anz trigger. Multiple ways to skin this cat. Have the capitol outlay upfront for the Anz 64MPR or over time with the CZ 455 and target barrel.

 

[rrflyer]

I cAn get a new anschutz mprr for 1150$

The CZ PRT will be 900

I can pick up a used older Anny 64 for 700 ish

I'm not against a savage again but my poor luck with the previous one has me checking other options first

 

[RicosRevenge]

I can attest that rrflyer is a good shooter... it is most definitely the rifle. Knowing you; even the limited amount that I do, the CZ won't do it for you. The Annie or a 40X with a repeater conversion might be a better idea.

Give me a shout and we can hook up, I'll bring my 40X and you can give her a run. Still a single feed though!

 

[RicosRevenge]

With the above said... if you look in a few other threads; you'll find the value in even 2+" groups as long as they are consistant groups. Variation between the groups, not the shots is what you would look for.

 

[2brothers641]

Look into an Annie 54. These are the best of the best accuracy wise.

 

[Tempest 455]

Savage TRR-SR with a can. Quiet as a staple gun! My son is using CCI Quites' here but it's very close with match grade subsonic. This was 50 but will meet your requirement for 100 yards. At the range we shoot 100-330 yards exclusively with this rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdhx7wnePXc


https://home.comcast.net/~ericdouthitt/DSCF1126.JPG

 

[bm11]

Look into an Annie 54. These are the best of the best accuracy wise.

But not repeaters for the most part.

 

[2brothers641]

Check with Mark Chesebro of Chesebro Rifles on the Anschutz 54 repeater. Last time I talked to him, he was modifying the Anschutz to accept CZ magazines and if I remember correct, he had one or two in stock.

 

[rrflyer]

I can attest that rrflyer is a good shooter... it is most definitely the rifle. Knowing you; even the limited amount that I do, the CZ won't do it for you. The Annie or a 40X with a repeater conversion might be a better idea.

Give me a shout and we can hook up, I'll bring my 40X and you can give her a run. Still a single feed though!

That would be great! I still kick myself for not buying several of those 40xs when CMP had em a couple years ago.

I was looking around the last couple days and it appears that there is no hurry to to get one since there is basically no 22 Ammo available!

I may just put the brakes on it until I can fin a nice 40x or similiar.

I'm not super concerned about a repeater since basically this is gonna be used as a barricade an positional trainer.

Start the timer, build position, take shot, all before the par time beep goes off.

That seems to be where I'm hovering some slow down in matches... Not getting to a stable position quick enough.

 

[Rlbol]

I would love to pick up a 40x but until I find one I have a savage in a tacticool stock and am quit happy with it!! For the price I think they are hard to beat!

 

[bobtodrick]

I bet a CZ in a Manners stock and a Lilja barrel will be MUCH more accurate that a stock Savage. Bet it's as accurate as an Anschutz.

Duh...yeah and I'll bet my M5 BMW will outdrive your stock Civic.
Lets compare apples to apples.

 

[bm11]

Duh...yeah and I'll bet my M5 BMW will outdrive your stock Civic.
Lets compare apples to apples.

Apples to apples, Manners doesn't make a drop in stock for a Savage and Lilja doesn't make a drop in barrel for a Savage. So while stock to stock they may be close, in my opinion the CZ is a better choice because you can upgrade.

And I'm not sure if you really drive an m5, but I certainly don't drive a civic:

 

[RicosRevenge]

Sorry, couldn't resist!!!

 

[bobtodrick]

No, I don't actually drive an M5.
During the week I drive a minivan...but on weekends I drive this

 

[bm11]

No, I don't actually drive an M5.
During the week I drive a minivan...but on weekends I drive this

You club race that Alpha? Watched a ton of vids and it looks like so much fun! If only a track were closer, I would love to give it a try. Probably good that I don't though. Gun shit is expensive enough, all I need is to be bitten by the "track day" bug and I'd end up building up a dedicated e30 m3 racer.

 

[bobtodrick]

bm11...don't do it.
You'll go broke...but man, you'll have a lot of fun doing it.
In actuality it hasn't seen much racing of late (the car was a works European GT2 Champion 35 odd years ago) as our local race track (I'm in Alberta) was paved over for new housing a few years back.
But they are building a new track so I'm hoping to rebuild her over the next couple of years.
The car was brought over to Canada 30 years ago and had a successful life, winning the Canadian championship in it's class a number of years.
But man...add up a few sets of racing tires for a season (rain and slick), fuel and repairs (both mechanical and body) and it is a huge drain on the wallet.
But did I mention how much damn fun it is ;-)

 

[bm11]

Yeah, everyone says its a blast and addictive as hell.

Thread officially jacked!

 

[hlee]

OP, are you willing to consider a 17 hmr? I've to a marlin 917VS that in an indoor range will hold minute of angle or better out to 100 yards. It does show a substantial load preference, but shoots the hornady 17gr Vmax very well. Here are 2 targets I shot with the gun and that load the last time I had it out for load testing. This was the winning load, and unfortunately, the only targets I saved...

Measurements are outside edge to outside edge. The rifle is bone stock with a factory laminated wood stock. The scope is a Cabela's Pine Ridge 3-9x40mm.

 

[RFtinkerer]

Make sure you're using the right ammo. Supersonic ammo drops out about 75 yards or so, which creates a great dispersion between 50 yard groups and 100 yards, obviously. I have a Savage Mark II and can get 1.5" groups with only CCI SV 22 lr at 100 yards, or consistently <1" with Eley Tenex. Just saying, you might invest $50 in some great match ammo before giving up a perfectly decent rifle for a $1000+ Anchutz. Unless, of course, you might just want an Annie. Then by all means go for it.

 

[isaaccarlson]

I would go the CZ route. I have a 455 American and it will hold moa to 300 yards with it's favorite ammo.
You can get one for $400 and put some good glass on it and be shooting good groups in no time.

 

[bm11]

Good group. I got a .440" 5 shot group at 100 out of my 455/Lilja the first day out. It certainly has turned out to be the exception and not the rule though! It does hold sub moa most of the time, but still a bit of dispersion from the .2"s and .3"s I see at 50 yards most of the time.

 

[Quarter Horse]

Search for a thread by Anchor Zero Six. The thread follows his development of a CZ455, Lilja barrel, action bedded and point bedding the barrel. I believe he was in the gun around $1150. and it's performance was superb. Another option is a Win. 52C. These are magazine fed and will generally perform above the level that you are looking for. I just watched one on an auction that appeared to be in high condition and did $1100.+. The negative for the 52C is that it uses barrel scope blocks and is not drilled on the bridges. At the same time, if you can find one predrilled the price should be significantly lower.
A final option is a Win. 52C Sporter reissue. These were built by Miroku under the Browning label. They are a full size rifle, magazine fed, very good adjustable trigger, drilled for scope and capable of the performance you are looking for. They are becoming hard to find but if you are patient a very high to new condition rifle is around $800.+. If you go to RimfireCentral.com and search the Winchester 52 sub-forum there is plenty of good info. My 52C re-issue weighs in at 9lbs. 5ozs. with a Harris 6-9, Burris Bases and Signature rings and a Leupold 4.5-1x40mm LR.

 

[lawrence97]

On a budget, you can score a nice threaded cz which will perform if you feed it what it happens to like and to reiterate an Anschutz with a 54 action will definitely do what you want with the ammo it likes.