Hahahaha i wish we still had that video of us grasshopper giggin' that was a blast. i would like to try my auto reset target at 300 but I'm not sure if they would actually flip up.
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islandermyk, I'm guessing the silhouette range at CRC is familiar to you (hearing bullet impact isn't a problem on calm days) -
Nice looking quad, is that a manners stock?
Yeah, same T-4 that everyone else seems to have a Quad in as well.
We shoot metallic silhouettes at ranges 50 - 200 yards & then have side matches out to 330 yds.
The little 22 round is highly underrated.
relentless
The little 22 round is highly underrated.
relentless
i am heading back out this weekend i am determined to hit the 600 yarder. I'll let you know how it goes.
Crappy day to shoot, lots of gusts and inconsistant winds.
set up targets at 250y (paper) and 350y (steel). according to rollo-tape. LRF read the paper at 234, so for the internet bickering we'll say 225 and 325. the target is a 8" steel round. shot a 5 rnd group, 1 round skimmed and grazed the top right of the taget. crappy day so didnt bother to dig up the calipers. shooting RGB out of my Savage FVSR unsuppressed. I'll post when i get a better day. I know i can do muc better than this. at one point the winds were so crappy at me and at the target , i just sat back and had a smoke break. hope you enjoy. happy shooting out there.
set up targets at 250y (paper) and 350y (steel). according to rollo-tape. LRF read the paper at 234, so for the internet bickering we'll say 225 and 325. the target is a 8" steel round. shot a 5 rnd group, 1 round skimmed and grazed the top right of the taget. crappy day so didnt bother to dig up the calipers. shooting RGB out of my Savage FVSR unsuppressed. I'll post when i get a better day. I know i can do muc better than this. at one point the winds were so crappy at me and at the target , i just sat back and had a smoke break. hope you enjoy. happy shooting out there.
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I was told shooting a 22 at 200 yards is the same as shooting a 308 at 1000 yards, is this true?
What kind of groups are you seeing at 200 yards?
What kind of groups are you seeing at 200 yards?
More like 400 would equal to a 1,000 w/ .308 IMO. 200 is not hard at all with a .22.
I'd say that sounds more reasonable. you will be subsonic so your groups will start to fall apart a little bit, but they'll still hold decent. The drop is easily compensated for
Ok that's what I thought because I can very easily shoot 200 yards and hit a 4x6 plate. I will have to find somewhere to reach out to 400 then.
Thanks
Thanks
No luck on the 600 ydr. A little to much wind i didn't try much.
How much MOA adjustment are you guys using? I have a 15 base and 36 in my scope (which I am guessing you only get half between up and down) and I am stretched all the way out with Mini Mags @ 200yards. I put in some SV and I was a foot south when cranked all the way up..... I see one of you guys has 75 moa, is that where I need to be to reach out to 300 or so?
Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your help.
400yds at a 8" square plate. Not every shot is a hit but its damn fun.
granted 200yrds is pretty easy there is a noticable differance in difficulty at the 300+ mark for me.
also the requested info for DOPE. Im running a 25moa base on my savage mark II fv sr. zeroed at 25/50yrds with a falcon menace scope.
conditions: 75-80deg,53%humidity, 840ft alt, shooting remington golden bullets:
MRAD ELEVATION
25 = 0
50 = 0
100 = 1.2
150 = 3.6
200 = 5.1
300 = 10.8
I knew this question was going to come up. i really wish i could remember. Hopefully coWSMasher can be of more help.
thank you! that matches pretty close to what i remember out that far. (I think i was just a hair less) but i don't recall how much at 485. I think i was about 20 mils in my scope and then i was aiming at points far above the targer. (probly another 20 mil?) real rough guess. i just kinda tried to walk it in based on my splashes. I wish i could be of more help. please don't quote me on any of this, i don't know for sure. you might just have to go out and give her a try! sounds just awful huh?
coWSMasher said he was running somewhere around 24 mil. he has a 100 yard zero and he was running velocitors. I have a 50 yard zero and was running federal bulk.
Well its time to embarrassed.... I have no idea what any of that means. Whats a MRAD? I am new to long range shooting and I am trying to learn with my 22 before wasting a million dollars with my Creedmoor. As sad as it is I just see where the bullet lands and move my knobs accordingly. I know... laugh it up....
What's wrong with that? I don't even move my knobs, I just adjust my hold on my target after trying to get the best wind read I can. Sometimes it takes a round or two, or three, but that's just me and the way I do things.
i don't have near what i need to get out that far in my scope. fully cranked out i can't even get to 200 so i just use my mil dots in my reticle but i cant get the target in my scope at 16x so i crank my scope down to 4x and i am still holding below my bottom mil dot so i end up just picking a spot about halfway down the fat part at the bottom of the reticle for the 485 target
I was figuring it at about 8 "mildots" on 4 power which is really 24 mils cause its a second focal plane reticle
I was figuring it at about 8 "mildots" on 4 power which is really 24 mils cause its a second focal plane reticle
Dont get me wrong it works but I would like to learn how to use a scope the proper way. I want to range find a target and adjust for it accordingly so its a one shot hit.
I crank my scope down and use a hold over so there is no reason your current rig can't do it. and for my at 300 i was using about a 54 moa hold over with a 100 yd zero and cci velocitors.
mrad is the same as mils they both stand for milliradians 1 mil is equal to 3.6 moa. There is no need to be embarrassed everyone has to learn somewhere and i have to say this is probably the best place to learn short of the range i learn something new on this site everyday. hope that helped.
no need to be embarassed, now you know. many scopes have mil dots meaning every dot is spaced 3.6 moa at a given magnification. that is if you have a second focal plane mil dot scope. a first (or front) focal plane scope will be constant trhroughout the magnification range. we use mil dot scopes so you can get an accurate hold over without having to dial it in. this works great when shooting targets at multiple ranges or when speed is necessary. this is a lot to take in at once, but if you understand any of it you're doing well. stay on the hide you'll learn a lot!
Thanks that all makes perfect sense.
I need a 20 moa rail for my quad with a Vortex 6-24x50 crossfire to get to 300 with target ammo like RWS. High velocity CCI is a different story.
I shoot at a 300 yd range with a cut dirt hillside about 20 yds behind the targets..I don't bother with the targets anymore, I just pick out small rocks and dirt clods to shoot at. It is great because you have a reactive target and if you miss you can see exactly where you hit and adjust your scope if necessary by moving the crosshairs onto the puff of dust.
I shoot at a 300 yd range with a cut dirt hillside about 20 yds behind the targets..I don't bother with the targets anymore, I just pick out small rocks and dirt clods to shoot at. It is great because you have a reactive target and if you miss you can see exactly where you hit and adjust your scope if necessary by moving the crosshairs onto the puff of dust.
milliradian prefix milli meaning one one thousandth and radian. a unit of measurement similar to a degree. (2pi radians in a circle) hence one one thousandth of a radian. not at all necessary to know for shooting reasons, but in case you're curious like i tend to be 
good! i'm a little surprised haha.
yeah the cci's are hot. that sounds like a nice rig you're running
that's honestly a more correct way to do it by many people's standards. dialing it in can be a lot more precise, but it's slower and sometimes you cant' dial it far enough. If that's working for you there's nothing wrong with it, but it never hurts to learn about other ways
I know the basics...I just need to learn how to put them together!
I have been considering that scope for my .22 I just bought a viper pst and love the thing and i have a 4-12 diamond back and really like that too but what kind of glass quality are there crossfires at high magnifications?
I would call it decent optical quality, not outstanding. I got it specifically for a rimfire range scope, and in fairly bright light it works well at the highest mag settings. It tracks perfectly. I've used it for a couple of years. But I won't be surprised if it takes a dump eventually, it was on sale for like $100 on SWFA back then.
Alright thanks i will probably go something higher end once i get around to it.
CCI Standard Velocity.
This is in MRAD, So times it by 3.44 or whatever it is to get MOA
Also, this changes depending on your atmospheric conditions. But it will get you close.
3.6 gets you moa. are those actual real world tested numbers or are those from a program?CCI Standard Velocity.
This is in MRAD, So times it by 3.44 or whatever it is to get MOA
Also, this changes depending on your atmospheric conditions. But it will get you close.
about 1/3 of them are actual numbers.
example.... I shot
100
150
220
275
300
355
380
400
425
500 yards
Wrote down the drop on the sheet you see.
Then tweaked Lapua ballistic app on android to best match what I shot, then filled in the rest.
It works very well
example.... I shot
100
150
220
275
300
355
380
400
425
500 yards
Wrote down the drop on the sheet you see.
Then tweaked Lapua ballistic app on android to best match what I shot, then filled in the rest.
It works very well
CCI Standard Velocity.
This is in MRAD, So times it by 3.44 or whatever it is to get MOA
Also, this changes depending on your atmospheric conditions. But it will get you close.
So if the right column is yards how can 25 and 50 be 0?
When you are shooting something with a decimal point you are guessing in between the lines on a MRAD reticle? That's assuming every line is one MRAD.
at 25 yards his bullet is still rising with respct to his line of sight. so at 30 yards it's a little high and it comes back down to his line of sight by 50 yards and then continues to fall from there
here's a picture i drew. it's surprising how many people overlook this idea. hope it helps!
Learn something new everyday......
That is correct RUMrunner
You really should be an artist you know...
You really should be an artist you know...
Thanks for the videos!!
20" barrel, subsonic ammo (WMT or similar), on 20MOA rail, 75 moa to get to 425 yards. On a calm day it's quite easy to ring 18" gongs with every shot in the magazine.
As to the comment above about ammo out past 200 yards being subsonic and thus groups opening up....YOU START OUT SUBSONIC!
As to the comment above about ammo out past 200 yards being subsonic and thus groups opening up....YOU START OUT SUBSONIC!
For 330 yards I use CCI Blazer. Drop is around 144" if I recall. Yes, not enough internal elevation on my scope either. We hold over for the shots.
though most target ammo is subsonic we were using cci velocitors and federal bulk, both of which start out supersonic.
I'm still waiting to hear back from the arts institute of minneapolis. come to think of it i've been waiting awhile...maybe i oughta try physics
Ok, I had a response to the OP in mind when I read his question. But after having read everything since then I will be a bit more humble. I regularly shoot irons (globe sights) to 200. I agree with the guy who said shooting at paper makes all the difference because you measure each shot (at least when competing). Putting 20 shots into a 6" bulls eye is one thing. Grouping them into a 2" x-ring is something else.
600yds with a 22LR? Holeee Moleeee! I'm going to give it a try now that I feel the challenge. I can't do it with my iron sighted Walther as 200 yds eats up almost all the elevation. Maybe the CZ 455 can do the trick, along with some very fast rounds.
600yds with a 22LR? Holeee Moleeee! I'm going to give it a try now that I feel the challenge. I can't do it with my iron sighted Walther as 200 yds eats up almost all the elevation. Maybe the CZ 455 can do the trick, along with some very fast rounds.
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The best ammo I have found for long range is Blazers. Its even better than CCI Standard Velocity that I use for competition shooting.
With the CCI SV I would get a very low shot here and there at 500 yards.
I have tried everything that I could get my hands on locally
With the CCI SV I would get a very low shot here and there at 500 yards.
I have tried everything that I could get my hands on locally
