Surgeon 591 or plain old trued up 700

[Scotts556]

Cant decide if I should go with a Surgeon 591, Or a plain old 700. I want to get as much accuracy out of this as the rifle will be used for hunting and paper/Steel. I've looked into both and I know that You can get a 700 up there. But what do you guys think?
Caliber will be 6.5X47 Lapua shot out of a 22 inch barrel of some sort.

Specs For rifle as Fallows:

Stock: MCS T-4A OR Mcree G5 Tmag folder.
Barrel: Undecided
Optics. Vortex Razer or Bushnell HDMR
Some flavor of Detachable bottom metal for the manners if I go with that one.
Trigger: Reccomend a good one? Perferably two stage.

Just the rough outline so far. I Still got a deployment to Hammer out the finer details.

Scott

 

[lapua31]

Do you have a line on a Surgeon? You might have a hard time finding one due to very limited avalability, of the two, the Rem might be your only option.

 

[Scotts556]

Do you have a line on a Surgeon? You might have a hard time finding one due to very limited avalability, of the two, the Rem might be your only option.

No I havent really been looking. Im not going to start putting this together till bout Half way though the deployment. IF worst comes to worst I may make a 6.5X47 Lapua from a savage. But Im hoping to find a Surgeon.

Scott

 

[Fly_True]

I went through the same thing about 3 month ago.. After adding up the cost of building up a 700 it was only abut $200 dollar more to get a custom action. Keep in mind: bottom metal, gunsmith work, rail bedding an so on. I opted for a defiance deviant and could not be happier. The guess are defiance were great to work with and the gun shoots great.

Defiance Deviant short action
260 Remington
Bartlein barrel
Mccrees stock
Vortex Razor 5-20x
Atlas Bi-Pod

 

[JB02]

But Im hoping to find a Surgeon.

Scott

You'll have better luck finding a unicorn. Their actions are unavailable unless you buy one of their rifles. Good luck with your search.

 

[Scotts556]

I went through the same thing about 3 month ago.. After adding up the cost of building up a 700 it was only abut $200 dollar more to get a custom action. Keep in mind: bottom metal, gunsmith work, rail bedding an so on. I opted for a defiance deviant and could not be happier. The guess are defiance were great to work with and the gun shoots great. View attachment 10936

Defiance Deviant short action
260 Remington
Bartlein barrel
Mccrees stock
Vortex Razor 5-20x
Atlas Bi-Pod

How hard was if to find a Defiance?

 

[wadebrown]

Just order the Defiance Deviant direct from Defiance and you should have in hand shortly depending on how many are ahead of you. You order it with the features you want and it gets built to that spec.

 

[bjay]

No love for rem700? There must be a reason why defiance surgeon etc actions clone rem700 footprint. I have defiance surgeon and rem700 on my precision rifles to be honest i cant tell any diff on accuracy.. smothness? You can close your eyes play with three and you realy can feel which is remington lol.. ill try ask my buddy who recently just purchased defiance i think theyre lit easier to find than surgeon.. rem700 its avail here
Remington Model 700 Short Action Receiver, Stainless: MGW

 

[RyanScott]

Stand on the Remington bolt handle to clear a stuck case and see if the extractor, rim or bolt handle falls off first.

I would get the Defiance Deviant because I like the integral rail and lug but l would want to use AW magazines because they are far superior to AICS magazines.

 

[sobrbiker883]

I have two almost identical rifles (my match gun and my backup-Jewell triggers, Bartlein 6.5CM barrels, Rock Solid stocks) both are outfitted exactly the same, except one is a Surgeon 591 and one is a Rem700 that started life as a WalMart 243 Youth for $299 (bought it for the action and junked the rest of it).
Side by side at a demo recently new shooters and old got behind both-half the folks preferred my Surgeon and the about half preferred the R700 build.

If you gotta have a custom action, you wont be happy without one, but if you are more interested in functional than "look how cool I am" a R700 will suit you fine.

Mind you, I haven't played with any newer 700's that have the "savage style" barrel nut.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Integral rails on customs are cool, but they limit how far forward you can mount your scope-only an issue for me because I have a jacked up cervical spine that is more straight than curved so I run a little more forward than most.
Integral lugs make switching barrels easier if you want to do that yourself.

 

[Fly_True]

How hard was if to find a Defiance?

I called and worked up the action with Norm and Mike. They had initially said it would be 8-12 weeks. Action arrived 6 weeks later. In my opinion it was totally worth the wait! During that wait I was able to source the barrel, brass dies, bullets, stock and everything else. All arrived are the same time and it was ready to be built.

If you g the defiance route, first let me know your experience as I have a few friends who might go that way as well and I always like to know how others expiriences are for my own reference...

 

[stockdoc]

Neither!!!!!

Defiance machine DEVIANT!!!!!!!!! You wont regret it!!

 

[tylerw02]

Do you have rifle ADD and plan on selling it in six months? Do you think you need side bolt release and cosmetic flutes? Do you have time to wait? Do you have lots of extra cash? If so, go Surgeon.

You can often find Remington 700s NIB for about $400-430 in a package. You can sell off all the crap you don't need and just end up with a couple hundred in the action and trigger. Your smith can tune the X-Mark and you won't have to buy a trigger like you would with a custom action.

My last 700 build here's what I did:

Rem Package 700 - $430
Old-style 700 trigger - $65
Sold barrel + 75
Sold scope, base, rings +$80
Sold youth stock/LOP kit + $65
Sold ADL magazine/parts +$30
Sold X-Mark Pro +$50

Action cost after selling parts: $255.

Then I had it trued at GAP -$250
Bolt knob mod from monteboy84 -$100
Used Badger base -$80

So all trued up with a base and bolt knob was $685ish. Granted, no flutes, side bolt release, but it was cheap and shot as good as a if it were a Surgeon or other custom action.

 

[Scotts556]

Do you have rifle ADD and plan on selling it in six months? Do you think you need side bolt release and cosmetic flutes? Do you have time to wait? Do you have lots of extra cash? If so, go Surgeon.

You can often find Remington 700s NIB for about $400-430 in a package. You can sell off all the crap you don't need and just end up with a couple hundred in the action and trigger. Your smith can tune the X-Mark and you won't have to buy a trigger like you would with a custom action.

My last 700 build here's what I did:

Rem Package 700 - $430
Old-style 700 trigger - $65
Sold barrel + 75
Sold scope, base, rings +$80
Sold youth stock/LOP kit + $65
Sold ADL magazine/parts +$30
Sold X-Mark Pro +$50

Action cost after selling parts: $255.

Then I had it trued at GAP -$250
Bolt knob mod from monteboy84 -$100
Used Badger base -$80

So all trued up with a base and bolt knob was $685ish. Granted, no flutes, side bolt release, but it was cheap and shot as good as a if it were a Surgeon or other custom action.

I got time to wait. No Im probly never gonna sell it. Seeing This is my project for when I get back from deployment I going to have some coin to putt into it.

Scott