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LMT .308 MWS

George Mac said:
I ordred a different "semi 308" for work last August... All the BS from the manufacturer concerning a lack of accurate timelines or information is making me sick.

Therefore, a new in the box LMT MWSE 16" will be arriving by the end of next week. I'll throw on my F1 mil/mil and a BABC and be on the line rocking it by Friday :)

Thanks for all of the good information and range reports.
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Hey what's up man I see you are part of the NCPPRC, you ever plan on taking the MWS out for any comps at sac valley? I made the mistake of shooting my second competition ever at your guys monthly shoots and man did I do horribly!! Lol maybe I'll get some FT-R comps under my belt first. Hahaha
 
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Lmt mwse 16" babc nxs f1

Got dialed in for wind and did a barrel break-in. I'll take it out to distance and see how it groups tomorrow. This is one smooth shooting rifle. Fit and finish are outstanding.



 
Any one know if the mws would use a dpms or armskite style barrel extension. I've got a plan in the works but not sure what kind of extension would be best to use for a barrel I'm planning to have converted by Marvin Pitts.
 
that is awesome! got to love the LMT! perfect setup and I like how you went with the 6-9" bipod rather than the 9-13 (you can always extend the legs out to clear the mag if needed).... It is just too hard to use a rear sandbag when using the 9-13" bipod so your set up is perfect IMO with the LMT MWS... I'm thinking about switching mine out myself as the lower you can keep the bipod = more accurate and better groups. I also need to get the bipod lock just like yours.... It is my next project / purchases to get done. I honestly can not make any better suggestions than what you're already got set up... that's a bad ass scope to boot. do you reload? if you do, 168 amax and SMK is candy for this rifle!


George Mac said:
Got dialed in for wind and did a barrel break-in. I'll take it out to distance and see how it groups tomorrow. This is one smooth shooting rifle. Fit and finish are outstanding.



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Lmt mwse 16" babc 168 fgmm

Even though I was on paper at 25, I found that I was chasing my zero for about 10 rounds at 100. I used some McNett wrap to secure a slice of iso-foam to the stock and get a more solid cheek weld and things got much better.

Say what you will about 3 round groups but they work for me getting this thing zeroed. All groups shot from prone with a bipod and RedTac rear bag.

1st group at 11 O'clock, came .1 mil right.
2nd group at 12 O'clock came .1mil down.
POW - Center Punched It! then became so full of myself that I let my focus go to the target instead of the reticle and I opened up the last two.

Either way, it is now zeroed and seems to like the 168 FGMM factory load.

(On a side note, I ordered a Larue RISR and a CTR from Amazon since the isofoam interferes with the charging handle operation.)



 
Here are a few groups from my 16" cl LMT MWS.
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It is only 3 shot goups!!That day I had moved the scope and was only rezeroing the optic (moved it forward a slot or two, thus the low first grouping ). Next time I I will do some 5 and/or 10 round groups.

The current optic is a 1.8-10 USO ( which will be swapped out for a little more. X now that I see it has the potential to be a shooter).
 
Lmt mwse 16" risr

I tried a CTR stock with RISR. Although the height is perfect, the width does put you out to the side a bit.

I went through a box of 168 FGMM in five shot groups in relative rapid fire on the shoot-n-see's.
I also tried an old bolt gun load with 175's on an NRA small bore target at 100. 175 SMK over 44.7 Varget with a 210M primer in once fired FGMM brass. It grouped well but blew two primers out of five rounds...





 
Thats why i try not to go over 43gr varget in my LMT


George Mac said:
I tried a CTR stock with RISR. Although the height is perfect, the width does put you out to the side a bit.

I went through a box of 168 FGMM in five shot groups in relative rapid fire on the shoot-n-see's.
I also tried an old bolt gun load with 175's on an NRA small bore target at 100. 175 SMK over 44.7 Varget with a 210M primer in once fired FGMM brass. It grouped well but blew two primers out of five rounds...





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Sandbogg said:
It is only 3 shot goups!!That day I had moved the scope and was only rezeroing the optic (moved it forward a slot or two, thus the low first grouping ). Next time I I will do some 5 and/or 10 round groups.

The current optic is a 1.8-10 USO ( which will be swapped out for a little more. X now that I see it has the potential to be a shooter).
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Those are really impressive groups! What are you planning to swap the USO scope with? Looking for some scope ideas for my MWS.
 
elfster1234 said:
Thats why i try not to go over 43gr varget in my LMT
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44 flat with a 175SMK and 210 does fine, but I need to adjust even that for my GAP/AI.

As to groups, those are WAY TOO OPEN to even think to call a group. What happened, did you sneeze or something each time you pulled the trigger? At 100M, that should be one single ragged hole. What you are calling a group is what you should see at 300M
 
Swithcblade the point of showing the "cluster" of 5 shots, as compared to my previous post , was to demonstrate the difficulty of proper alignment with the RISR. Sorry if that was not made clear. I agree the "clusters" are horrendous but I feel it is important to show the bad and the good for proper discussion and evaluation of loads and equipment.

Also, can you confirm that your load of 175 SMK/44 Varget/210M was in an LMT gas gun? If so, I'm open to ideas on "known" loads for this rifle and keys to .308 gas gun shooting that differ from the bolt gun. I have spent years behind the bolt gun and am new to the LMT, any constructive tips are welcome. On my McMillan A3-5 my thumb rides the top of the stock on a small patch of fuzzy velcro behind the safety for consistency however, I find that on the AR grip it is looking for a place to rest.

Elfster, I have put together some rounds for a ladder test from 41.5 to 43.0 that I hope to try out tomorrow.
 
Nevermind switchblade... He is just pissed off at the world... JK man, calm down......

That sounds awesome george! Looking forward to your results. Looks like you got one bad ass rig on your hands.


George Mac said:
Swithcblade the point of showing the "cluster" of 5 shots, as compared to my previous post , was to demonstrate the difficulty of proper alignment with the RISR. Sorry if that was not made clear. I agree the "clusters" are horrendous but I feel it is important to show the bad and the good for proper discussion and evaluation of loads and equipment.

Also, can you confirm that your load of 175 SMK/44 Varget/210M was in an LMT gas gun? If so, I'm open to ideas on "known" loads for this rifle and keys to .308 gas gun shooting that differ from the bolt gun. I have spent years behind the bolt gun and am new to the LMT, any constructive tips are welcome. On my McMillan A3-5 my thumb rides the top of the stock on a small patch of fuzzy velcro behind the safety for consistency however, I find that on the AR grip it is looking for a place to rest.

Elfster, I have put together some rounds for a ladder test from 41.5 to 43.0 that I hope to try out tomorrow.
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George Mac said:
On my McMillan A3-5 my thumb rides the top of the stock on a small patch of fuzzy velcro behind the safety for consistency however, I find that on the AR grip it is looking for a place to rest.
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It may not be proper form (don't know) but when I shoot my LMT MWS 260, I disengage the safety with my right thumb on the right side of the receiver. Then when I'm shooting, my thumb rides on top of the safety lever. I also shoot my bolt guns with my thumb riding on top of the stock directly behind the safety lever. It feels very similar to me, you may like it if you try it.
 
George Mac said:
Also, can you confirm that your load of 175 SMK/44 Varget/210M was in an LMT gas gun? If so, I'm open to ideas on "known" loads for this rifle and keys to .308 gas gun shooting that differ from the bolt gun. I have spent years behind the bolt gun and am new to the LMT, any constructive tips are welcome. On my McMillan A3-5 my thumb rides the top of the stock on a small patch of fuzzy velcro behind the safety for consistency however, I find that on the AR grip it is looking for a place to rest.
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175 smk and 44 varget was bulging the case webbing on me in lapua brass...
My 20" ss loves 44 grains of varget with 168 Amax's in lapua brass at 2.810 oal. Consistantly sub moa, averaging around .5 to .6, with a few .25 groups. Five rounds.
My 18" ss I haven't figured out yet, need to do some load testing as the above load is only moa with it.
My 16" cl was only just moa, and not consitantly, with every load except 155 scenars with 46 grains of varget. That was a solid 1 moa, with a few sub moa groups now and then.

I run a loose grip, with firm pressure on an atlas bipod (spike feet), and make sure to really focus on following through on the trigger. Pin it and then allow it to reset a second or two after the shot breaks. That makes you focus on consistant recoil management.
All basic stuff, but the gasser picks out flaws in the basics much more than my bolt guns.

I used to use a ubr stock on mine with a standard larue m4 scope mount.
I saw a large improvement in groups going to a lower scope mount in the 1.25" range vs the larue's 1.5" height. It didn't really feel a whole lot different, but the cheek weld is more consistant. I put pressure straight down instead of a little sideways and down. Cleaned up a bit of horizontal dispersion.
Also saw a slight improvement with a jp locking rear takedown pin.
 
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Just got my LM8MWS with 16 SS barrel. Put a NF 3.5-15x50 in an lt-120 on it. Swapped the sopmod for a ctr, not sure if I'm gonna stick with that setup or not. Also have a battlecomp coming for it. Haven't got to shoot it yet but fit and finish are excellent. I'm sure shooting will be also.

 
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Damn that's a fantastic combo....NXSc models, F1s, and the older 3.5-15s are such a great compliment to the MWS. Both rifle, and glass are truly bombproof with that combo.

Can't wait til I get to pick up a new slickside LM8 chassis. The sex appeal is extremely high on them :)

MWS w/ it's sidekicks.....a MRP rifle length, and MRP CQB.

 
I think it is safe to say trident has the most bad ass looking LMT's. My god they are sick looking.

trident1982 said:
Damn that's a fantastic combo....NXSc models, F1s, and the older 3.5-15s are such a great compliment to the MWS. Both rifle, and glass are truly bombproof with that combo.

Can't wait til I get to pick up a new slickside LM8 chassis. The sex appeal is extremely high on them :)

MWS w/ it's sidekicks.....a MRP rifle length, and MRP CQB.

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Shooting steel last week 100-600
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I had intended to shoot out to 800 that day, but this picture was taken about 5 seconds before it started raining so hard you couldn't even see the targets.
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Nice pics! One question, why the rubberbands on the rifle? Just wondering.

Mumbles said:
Shooting steel last week 100-600
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I had intended to shoot out to 800 that day, but this picture was taken about 5 seconds before it started raining so hard you couldn't even see the targets.
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elfster1234 said:
...why the rubberbands on the rifle? Just wondering.
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The one in front keeps the pressure switch from the DBAL in place, wedged bewteen the rails at about 10:30. The one on the stock keeps the sling out of the way when I'm just shooting/not carrying it.

I was a little worried about them breaking, but they are very heavy duty rubber bands, and they've lasted a couple months so far. When they eventually do break, I'll replace them with these, which are pretty damn durable:
Sheriff of Baghdad Low-IR Signature Combat Bands
 
Here's my latest contribution... my LMT MWS 7.62 hanging out with a few of its friends. Really diggin' the LMT!!! Hoping to upgrade to a new scope soon. In the meantime I've added QD scope mount, Magpul folding back-up sights, Troy flash suppressor, Magpul trigger guard and Harris swivel bi-pod. Also did a stippling job on some of my magazines. Also in the pic:

- Daniel Defense M4V1
- Remington Tac-2
- Maxpedition pack
- US Grunt Gear chest rig (currently in the process of re-configuring the chest rig with the molle/pals attachments)
- Beretta 92A1
- Glock 27
- Kimber Custom TLE II

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Yes, I like the Battlecomp quite a bit. The Surefire offers a slight advantage in felt recoil reduction. But if you're not going to put a can on the rifle and if you use it in a team environment or with others on a firing line the Battlecomp can't be beat.
 
Go get those boys dirty, they look like you armor all'd them!

trident1982 said:
Damn that's a fantastic combo....NXSc models, F1s, and the older 3.5-15s are such a great compliment to the MWS. Both rifle, and glass are truly bombproof with that combo.

Can't wait til I get to pick up a new slickside LM8 chassis. The sex appeal is extremely high on them :)

MWS w/ it's sidekicks.....a MRP rifle length, and MRP CQB.

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Anyone seen a post on the MWS with the 6.5 creed ? I see it on the LMT website, but can't find anyone that actually has it or knows anything about the conversion kit.
 
Looks good, wish mine had that rail.....is there any stated weight savings? I just don't get the quad rail on rifles anymore.

JonLSU said:
Just got my LM8MWS with 16 SS barrel. Put a NF 3.5-15x50 in an lt-120 on it. Swapped the sopmod for a ctr, not sure if I'm gonna stick with that setup or not. Also have a battlecomp coming for it. Haven't got to shoot it yet but fit and finish are excellent. I'm sure shooting will be also.

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The weight savings on the LM8MWS is not much, only a few ounces. For me, the difference is the smaller diameter making weapon manipulation faster and smoother and giving the feel of a smaller rifle. I have an extr upper like yours (8541) with a short barrel that I run (standard MWS). The best thing I have felt is the addition of the very low profile larue tactical index clips to cover your picatinny slots. They are much lower than any other I have used. Actually, in jonlsu's picture the red, white and blue clips at the end of his forend are what I am talking about. They do sevaral colors. Didn't mean to hijack just wanted to pass word.
 
I like using the LaRue Clips also. they do work very well. Mumbles which Dbal do you roll ? I have the Dbal-D2 in green for my LMT MWS set up but i am thinking about doing a Surefire 952v blk but not sure which laser to mount with it ?
 
The LMT MWS is 9.98lbs and the LM8MWS is 9.25lbs. Not sure if the 9.25 is with or without the additional rails that come with it. Like shooter0311 said the forearm has a smaller diameter which seems to fit better in your grip
 
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8541recon said:
Anyone seen a post on the MWS with the 6.5 creed ? I see it on the LMT website, but can't find anyone that actually has it or knows anything about the conversion kit.
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Not a post, however, Book of the AR-15 (2013) has an article on the LMT MRP and MWS (LM8 also) and page 21 lists results for the 6.5 Creedmoor. Hornady 129gr SST Superformance. Velocity 2,8832.2 and Avg. Group 1.96 in. Best Group 1.8 in. Fired by T. Beckstrand. The article states a match load would provide for better accuracy.
 
They are an amazing rifle. With quality handloads on the bench with a bi-pod (16in CL barrel) MOA is all day long. More than a few 3/4 in groups (5 shot 100 yds) .308

Ive did the spring kit for the trigger and working on a sled for the forend to set it up in my benchrest, it will be intresting what it can really do.
 
I'm with you on the 6.5 CM coveting.

Also, I changed out the glass to make it a little faster handling and the break to borrow a can now and then...


I seem to put three in the same hole then throw the next one or two low and right all the time. I know it's me and not the rifle, any ideas what I'm doing to throw them low right?



 
George, excellent decision on the glass.....the nxsc 2.5 (x24) allows all the magnification w/ 10x one needs to reach 1k-1200yds (imo), all the while doing so in an amazingly light, and compact optic. By far and away my all time favorite glass.

In regards to throwing a few fliers.....

I'd try to concentrate on two main things next time out:

1. Trigger follow thru.....while placement is very important, actually following thru each shot with your trigger finger movement usually helps tighten groups....especially if your doing 10rd groups. I don't ever release my trigger, or allow the reset until I visually confirm my shot on the grouping target.

2. Body/head positioning.....I like to get the rifle, and crosshairs almost perfectly resting on the target's bullseye, THEN I will slowly position myself directly behind the rifle with a good base, and proper toe positioning needed to correctly "load", and then "drive" the rifle from shot to shot.

If anything ever feels unnatural, or you find yourself straining a position or particular muscle.....stop, relax, and reposition yourself correctly.

Just my 2cents anyway :)
 
George Mac said:
I seem to put three in the same hole then throw the next one or two low and right all the time. I know it's me and not the rifle, any ideas what I'm doing to throw them low right?
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I don't know what your experience is with gas guns, but one of the big differences was the width of the trigger blade, and that the narrower trigger compared to my bolt gun allowed me to roll my finger from side to side without me knowing it on some shots. This was hidden by the low mag of the 10x scope until I really focused on it. Might be worth a check, all you have to do is dryfire and confirm the reticle stays on target.
 
Here is my rig, just got her out of 10 day wait... Don't hate my shark fin, have to play be Ca rules if I want detachable mags

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20" SS , Geissle SSA-E, NF-F1, Goochi Def Industries 25moa Mount

Fun begins next week.
 
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Just an FYI for those looking to purchase a LMT and don't care if it is a CL barrel (I've had amazing results out of my CL barrel once fully broke in),,,, you can create an auto email notification for the same 20"CL LMT that I have for $2475 shipped (absolutely amazing price)... Was in stock about 1-1/2 months ago shipped for the same price but you need to be johnny on the spot when it does come in.

LMT 308 MWSE Modular Weapon System 20" 308 Win
 
ridesdirt said:
Where is the ammo?
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Ahh, you have an eye for details. Fortunately I picked up 6 boxes of 200 ea, Atomic Ammo, 168 CC over Varget, on reloaded mil brass that the CMP was selling. It shoots suprisingly well.

...but even better I will be getting tool heads for my S1050 this month. So the 1200 pieces of bought brass, the 3 gallons of same lot M14 fired WCC mil brass I came across, and the 5000 Win LRP I just got are the plan for the future.

Now if I could only find Varget or 4064
 
JonLSU said:
The LMT MWS is 9.98lbs and the LM8MWS is 9.25lbs. Not sure if the 9.25 is with or without the additional rails that come with it. Like shooter0311 said the forearm has a smaller diameter which seems to fit better in your grip
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I think its heavier then that. My gun with glass and bipod is pushing 17.
 
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