12 dead at Washington Navy Yard

[Shooter McGavin]

Just heard this after lunch.

BREAKING NEWS: ONE GUNMAN IS DEAD and police say there may be two others at large in the shooting of as many as 12 people — including 'multiple victims that are deceased' — at Washington Navy Yard at a building housing the Naval Sea Systems Command Headquarters, above. Wire services are sourcing officials saying as many as 7 dead, but that number has yet to be confirmed.

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[KUSA]

Here we go again. Just when I thought the pipeline was starting to open up.

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[ArmyJerry]

Too early to tell what happened, it could be another" work place violence" FT Hood type incident.

 

[maccrazy2]

Sucks to hear about this.

 

[Sweetyzfd]

Another chance to take guns away for the lefties

 

[MilDot1960]

I was going to open a post on this but I did'nt want to offend anyone, But my heart goes out to those people and their families.

Stay safe America

Blessins to all, John

 

[jashmore1234]

My daughter works on the 4th floor of that building and is being held in place until the all clear is given. Fuck me, I'm pissed and very relieved that she is physically unharmed.

 

[thrusty]

Thoughts and prayers out to those involved...

Anyone ever been to that facility? Maybe I'm overestimating the security of a military building/facility......?

 

[ArmyJerry]

Been by there, security is there but not that tight as most military bases are not that tight. I spent time next to a nuke site in the military, they were tight, very heavy and no bs security. Glad your daughter is okay Jashmore. Some frikken nut jobs out there these days. Lets see what unfolds with this guy.

 

[velillen]

Thoughts and prayers out to those involved...

Anyone ever been to that facility? Maybe I'm overestimating the security of a military building/facility......?

I cant speak for the building this event happened at but the other naval bases i have been to (and work at) the security is.....to put it lightly...a joke. Even from what i have heard from friends in the army and air force, security on their bases is no better. Only areas that are well protected are the nuclear missle sights and missile storage sites. Everything else is laughable


Still a sad event.

 

[Switchblade]

Paramilitary uniforms, more than one shooter/accomplices, make this a terrorist attack, or a crime mission for something inside the building. Due to the multiple attacker, my bet is this was not typical workplace violence, and it may be closer to the jihadist terrorist attack on Fort Hood.

 

[Sugarbug]

Thoughts and prayers out to those involved...

Anyone ever been to that facility? Maybe I'm overestimating the security of a military building/facility......?

Not much for a normal operations base/facility.

Of course people are already talking about the fact that one of the guys was a CHP holder... like it matters. This was DC and on a base. You can't get much more strict laws than that and it still happened.

 

[xdpatriot]

I still don't think they're sure there were two shooters are they? I just saw the guy in 'a tan uniform with a beret' was cleared. They're saying a person of interest is being saught, he was seen on camera at the gate. Whatever happened, nothing good will come out of this. Except, hopefully, increased security on these places.

 

[long range newbie]

why..... we just started to get powder, now Its going to be $150 for box of 22lr. Hopefully people don't panic

 

[sirhrmechanic]

And to add to today's events, some idiot just took a couple of shots at the White House. Breaking now.

Stay safe, folks in uniform...

Sirhr

 

[xdpatriot]

why..... we just started to get powder, now Its going to be $150 for box of 22lr. Hopefully people don't panic

That's what I mean. Panic buying.

 

[Aimsmall55]

These nut jobs...... I am so sorry to all the families of the innocent victims. Saturday night I was walking back to my truck after leaving a convenience store. BAM.... Shots fired. I grabbed my pistol and took cover behind my engine block. Took position just over the hood and was looking for targets. The cowards drove off but I got their tag. All because I was a White man. This country is getting out of control... And at least where I live nobody's doing shit about it

 

[MilDot1960]

These nut jobs...... I am so sorry to all the families of the innocent victims. Saturday night I was walking back to my truck after leaving a convenience store. BAM.... Shots fired. I grabbed my pistol and took cover behind my engine block. Took position just over the hood and was looking for targets. The cowards drove off but I got their tag. All because I was a White man. This country is getting out of control... And at least where I live nobody's doing shit about it

I wish I had the Answers, Life is not a computer game and these nuts dont realize you cant press reset and start again, I hope you hand in their tags and get these fools off the street,

take care, John

 

[Aimsmall55]

I wish I had the Answers, Life is not a computer game and these nuts dont realize you cant press reset and start again, I hope you hand in their tags and get these fools off the street,

take care, John

Oh I did. I called 911 after the threat was over and not only reported his tag # but also two women tag # who were at the gas pump next to my truck. They KNEW the shooter obviously because they were yelling at him. Those bitches were laughing and said " get out of here white boy, this ain't yo biz nass. In my adrenaline fueled haze I told them to "shut the fu#% up!" I was so focused on identifying the threat that I didn't even remember the color of their car when I reported it. Just when they left I got focused enough and memorized their tag # and wrote it down ASAP. It really bothers me that they were laughing. I actually was not scared until I got home. It kinda sunk in i guess. I have dreamed about it for the past 2 nights. It's a dangerous world and I never fully comprehended what it felt like to have being one minute alive and 1 second later dodging bullets.

 

[MilDot1960]

Oh I did. I called 911 after the threat was over and not only reported his tag # but also two women tag # who were at the gas pump next to my truck. They KNEW the shooter obviously because they were yelling at him. Those bitches were laughing and said " get out of here white boy, this ain't yo biz nass. In my adrenaline fueled haze I told them to "shut the fu#% up!" I was so focused on identifying the threat that I didn't even remember the color of their car when I reported it. Just when they left I got focused enough and memorized their tag # and wrote it down ASAP. It really bothers me that they were laughing. I actually was not scared until I got home. It kinda sunk in i guess. I have dreamed about it for the past 2 nights. It's a dangerous world and I never fully comprehended what it felt like to have being one minute alive and 1 second later dodging bullets.

Why the hell women seem to think they have a right to get in to the mix is beyond me, I wonder if the police got them too they might have been on cctv, lets hope so.

I have tried to send all these people at the hospital/ police station a good will message but Im not sure how to but my thoughts are with them.

Go and do something with your family, they are all that matters and you need to relax,

blessins John

 

[long range newbie]

I don't see what these basically suicidal killers are gaining/ trying to prove of these sprees they go on. they hurt the gun community the most, since we basically have to pay ridiculous prices to do our hobby that is already expensive as it is. I just think some people go crazy from what they go through while serving, and decide to take it out on the people while they are unstable.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Why the hell women seem to think they have a right to get in to the mix is beyond me, I wonder if the police got them too they might have been on cctv, lets hope so.

I have tried to send all these people at the hospital/ police station a good will message but Im not sure how to but my thoughts are with them.

Go and do something with your family, they are all that matters and you need to relax,

blessins John

10-4. God Bless.

 

[MilDot1960]

I don't see what these basically suicidal killers are gaining/ trying to prove of these sprees they go on. they hurt the gun community the most, since we basically have to pay ridiculous prices to do our hobby that is already expensive as it is. I just think some people go crazy from what they go through while serving, and decide to take it out on the people while they are unstable.

Most of these people are stuck in a Rut and they use the muslim thing as an excuse by claiming to be muslims in the same way the fake Amputees do what they do, They wont except responcibility for their actions So they only way out of their self hatered is to invent something and take it out on others,

John

 

[gimpy]

Most of these people are stuck in a Rut and they use the muslim thing as an excuse by claiming to be muslims in the same way the fake Amputees do what they do, They wont except responcibility for their actions So they only way out of their self hatered is to invent something and take it out on others,

John

As an amputee, I'm confused by that. Is there some cool shit I can get? Also, who wants to fake an amputation? The world is a strange place indeed....

 

[pawprint2]

Most of these people are stuck in a Rut and they use the muslim thing as an excuse by claiming to be muslims in the same way the fake Amputees do what they do, They wont except responcibility for their actions So they only way out of their self hatered is to invent something and take it out on others,

John

I'm calling BS-to even insinuate that the 911 hijackers, or the Ft. Hood terrorist, or those that killed Americans in Benghazi, or the Boston bombers were just in a "rut" and used the muslim excuse is utter foolishness!!! MOST? Are you out of your mind? The suicide bombers all over the world are just in a rut, and are using the muslim excuse? What kind of dope are you smoking?

 

[MilDot1960]

As an amputee, I'm confused by that. Is there some cool shit I can get? Also, who wants to fake an amputation? The world is a strange place indeed....

Well there are some strange folk around, Why they do it I just dont know, I think its disrepectful and the one or two I have seen I tore right into them letting them know my views about them and the older I get the less I know people, some have been caught ripping the government off over A 1/4mil in a space of two years which causes the GOV to tighten up which makes it hard on those who do need help.

Blessins, John

 

[MilDot1960]

I'm calling BS-to even insinuate that the 911 hijackers, or the Ft. Hood terrorist, or those that killed Americans in Benghazi, or the Boston bombers were just in a "rut" and used the muslim excuse is utter foolishness!!! MOST? Are you out of your mind? The suicide bombers all over the world are just in a rut, and are using the muslim excuse? What kind of dope are you smoking?

Please dont turn what I said into this, I never mentioned those extremists as stuck in a Rut, They were out and out sicko's, dont twist what I said, In fact I never mentioned Extremists at all, The gun man that got killed Once served in the US Navy and we were talking about everyday people loosing the plot. Just because you are Angry at whats going on dont take it out on me, Because I am more PRO American than you'll ever Know.

John

 

[jbell]

That sucks to hear for all aspects of how it will effect everyone. The Navy Yard is patrolled by some rent-a-cops but the Latrobe Gate is the oldest continuously manned post in the country. It is guarded by Marines who are in the Yankee White program stationed at 8th & I. I stood my share of time on that post, its cool to be part of the tradition. I actually was shot at 2 times when I was stationed at 8th & I, once while standing post as a sentry and again while posting Marines as a COG. South East D.C. is a shit hole...

 

[Pedro23]

Most military bases have very relaxed security. All you need is access to get on the base. As proven with Fort Hood and this incident a sick person can and will take advantage of a Gun Free Zone. I'm very frustrated with this policy on military bases. I'm trusted with a high clearance for intel, fly around the base and local area as a 60 door gunner, and yet I'm not trusted to carry an approved sidearm on base???

If you allowed open carry on military bases it will help out the military police identify who is armed. Always told be a hard target but im forced to be a f&:king sheep while on a military base. I know criminals or crazies will always enjoy a Gun Free Zone. Anyone that has gone through M9 training in the USAF gets trained on use of force. 2 minutes is a long time to have a crazy person shooting at unarmed sheep.

 

[grayghost]

Morning news said 1 shooter 3 guns, a shotgun bought in Verginia, an assault style long gun,and a pistol taken from security guard in the building. Did not say where he got the (assault) style gun.

 

[Lawmaker]

I go to a lot of bases throughout the year. Vast majority have relaxed compared to 9/11. You have a CAC and a sticker you can get on anywhere.

 

[ArcticLight]

A guy here lost 3 coworkers back east in this madness.

He never should have had a gun, was under mental treatment, *and* had a clearance.

Sad day People just going to work and doing their jobs.

 

[MarinePMI]

Security there has always been somewhat relaxed, though it is present. I used to spend a lot of time there, working on stuff. It's not hard to imagine someone being able to get in there; that was one of the base's big benefits, it was low profile (and close to the flag pole).

Sorry to see this happen on the base, but not too many years ago, it was fairly common to have folks murdered right across the street from the gate. It's been cleaned up some, but this has never been a great area of an already seedy city...

This place was only marginally better than Suitland, MD. Ugh.

 

[Redseal11]

Reports out now that dude had legally obtain shotgun and NOT an AR-15. Wonder what Biden will say now??

My prayers are with those friends and family

 

[MarinePMI]

Reports out now that dude had legally obtain shotgun and NOT an AR-15. Wonder what Biden will say now??

My prayers are with those friends and family

Purely conjecture and suspicion on my part here (it's in my nature) but with all the misreported number of shooters and two people being arrested and then later released, does anyone else besides me suspect that a couple of folks had AR's in their cars and commenced to taking action when this sh!t storm started?

I mean, the last thing they would want out in the media is that a couple folks broke the law and saved countless lives by intervening.

Again, PURE CONJECTURE on my part; just thinking out loud due to all the misreporting and claimed witness accounts...

I know on Marine Corps bases, it's legal to have POWs in your vehicle, as long as they are registered with PMO...the Navy bases tend to vary greatly, so not sure about them.

 

[MontanaMarine]

Fog of war.

Chances are folks did hear semiauto rifle fire, but it was the responders. I heard they were engaged with Alexis for over 30 minutes.

 

[MontanaMarine]

"Shotgun Joe" Biden will probabaly not have any words of 'wisdom' for us this time...

 

[shooterrdy]

My sympathy to all effected by this tragedy. I hope we can learn to help ourselves from such acts of violence this guy had a case history and was still granted clearance to an area he should of never been.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

My better half pointed out that if the guy can pass a security clearance background check (and both she and I have had clearances at various times... she still maintains her Secret and I had TS for a while)... then how is a firearms background check supposed to be any panacea? As long as, by law and under HIPA (Healthcare Information Privacy Act), mental health information cannot be shared or included in a background check or shared at all!!! HIPA rules have an un-intended consequence of making it impossible for ones mental status to become part of a background check. Thus unless you meet other gating factors (felony, warrants, domestic violence, etc.) you will not be flagged in a background check.

I can't say that a change to HIPA would be an answer either, because MH is highly subjective and, as a result, without some very structured gates, etc. how is one going to decide who can/cannot pass a background check. One activist pshrink could deny thousands of people their rights. In something like mental health decisions, it would be way too easy to use subjective criteria to deny rights to a deserving citizen... so no solution there.

Which means... I don't have an answer. But no one wants to deal with the elephant in the room and that is the fact that most of these incidents have, at their core, people who should have been institutionalized or at least under much more scrutiny than political correctness and "Take two lithium's and call me in the morning" would allow.

At its core, however, is the old statement that Gun Control is not about guns... it is about control. That's as political as I'll get... I'd also add that I think everyone has done a great job of not letting this get political. Let's keep it that way.

One last thought (and question...) when I got my first TS clearance c. 1992, I was put through the ringer. Even my Boy Scout leader from the 1970's was contacted by the FBI... former co-workers... former bosses... my former neighbors in North Carolina were visited by an actual live pair of FBI agents! Lots of people were contacted and it was not an exercise in pencil-whipping some papers through. When my better half got her Secret clearance c. 2009, the process was still pretty rigorous. Either the process has massively changed, the standards are lower, political correctness is ruling... or lots of people are falling through the cracks. Anyone know what happens now? I have heard that a lot of the clearance work is being done by subcontract firms, not that this should affect the outcome....

Cheers and, again, my condolences to the friends/families of those affected...

Sirhr

 

[SFC Carpentier jr]

This is SAD news. Hearts and prayers go out to the families and victims of this tragedy.

As was posted before a shotgun was used, of course the first reports were that it was an AR-15 and I thought to myself, here we go again. Still many questions to be answer and if many will be answered.

 

[MarinePMI]

One last thought (and question...) when I got my first TS clearance c. 1992, I was put through the ringer. Even my Boy Scout leader from the 1980's was contacted by the FBI... former co-workers... former bosses... my former neighbors in North Carolina were visited by an actual live pair of FBI agents! Lots of people were contacted and it was not an exercise in pencil-whipping some papers through. When my better half got her Secret clearance c. 2009, the process was still pretty rigorous. Either the process has massively changed, the standards are lower, political correctness is ruling... or lots of people are falling through the cracks. Anyone know what happens now? I have heard that a lot of the clearance work is being done by subcontract firms, not that this should affect the outcome....


Sirhr

I can tell you, in the past few years, they have really cracked down on the clearances (just had a PR done). I had an SSBI done back in '94 when I was still wearing the tree tux, and still maintain it. The investigators (since they have finally started sub-contracting it out) have gotten more and more inquisitive/intrusive (in a good way). Wikileaks and such have really caused increased focus. That being said, the PC world we live in does enable people like this to be missed. i.e. No one wants to dime someone out if they're having personal problems. At least the sub-contracted agencies get graded on what they find (or don't find). They've gotten better at pulling threads, but people do and will continue to slip through the process (though the lifestyle/poly/SAP usually catches almost all the risks; but they're exceptionally expensive to perform/get).

The re-emergence of the "zero defect" mentality only exacerbates this problem. As I tell my younger engineers when they are frustrated by their government customers "The system is only as good as the people running it; no process is infallible or can deal with every permutation out there."

I forget the number, but it is staggering, the sheer number of people have the plain jane "secret" clearance (military, government civilians and contractors).

 

[jbell]

"Shotgun Joe" Biden will probabaly not have any words of 'wisdom' for us this time...

He has never had any words of "wisdom". It always truly saddens me to hear the man speak about "gun control" he cant even make shit up well...

 

[Twisted .308]

Hmmm 2 military base shootings ? I think the potus that was in charge of passing the bill to ban military and civy carry on base should carry the cross

 

[sib1948]

Always sorry to hear of life so senselessly lost and pray for their loved ones! Can anyone explain to me why in this situation and Ft. Hood that none of the enlisted servicemen and women were not wearing at least their issued 9mm or other pistols. Sounds like when Obama went to Afghanistan or Iraq and no servicemen in the auditorium were allowed to have any weapons. Not the case when Bush visited many times. It seems like all liberals have extreme fear of any type of weapons! The soldiers, if they were armed should had made quick work of that poor schizophrenic fellow. Soldiers without weapons. Sounds like a typical LIBERAL ​idea!

 

[wilecoyote]

Always sorry to hear of life so senselessly lost and pray for their loved ones! Can anyone explain to me why in this situation and Ft. Hood that none of the enlisted servicemen and women were not wearing at least their issued 9mm or other pistols. Sounds like when Obama went to Afghanistan or Iraq and no servicemen in the auditorium were allowed to have any weapons. Not the case when Bush visited many times. It seems like all liberals have extreme fear of any type of weapons! The soldiers, if they were armed should had made quick work of that poor schizophrenic fellow. Soldiers without weapons. Sounds like a typical LIBERAL ​idea!

wrong,Sir: when mr.mussolini was in Germany, Munsingen training area, to inspect the German-trained Italian troops before their deployement, (and I mean the 4 divisions that volunteered for continue the fight until 1945, not the "escaping others"), ALL the troops on rewiew were seemingly armed but WITHOUT ammos, to avoid someone could blow away some italian high-brass_ I know it for sure, because my father was among those troopers_.....enough said

 

[pmclaine]

Which means... I don't have an answer.

But in those seven words you show you have more courage and brains than the people that manage this country.

We live in a free society, fact is these things will happen. I believe there are things we can do to help with this issue but often times that means stepping on one side or the others vision of Freedom.

Best thing we can do is follow the Constitution and fully enforce our most basic laws. Forget the overlapping laws designed to make some politician look busy or to criminalize for possession or action that results in no harm to an individual or society.

We need accountability in job performance. In all of these cases it seems that at some point someone or some agency was warned about the perpetrator yet no one interceded to help them with tragic results - yet the person that failed continues on in their position to fail again.

Someone makes an off color joke accountability is an iron fist. Someone fails to the point of getting people killed accountability means giving the lowest guy in the food chain a week of paid leave.

 

[MilDot1960]

wrong,Sir: when mr.mussolini was in Germany, Munsingen training area, to inspect the German-trained Italian troops before their deployement, (and I mean the 4 divisions that volunteered for continue the fight until 1945, not the "escaping others"), ALL the troops on rewiew were seemingly armed but WITHOUT ammos, to avoid someone could blow away some italian high-brass_ I know it for sure, because my father was among those troopers_.....enough said

G'day WileC, The thing that has me bothered is now this has happened who can be put in place for security when both civies and people like this guy are at fault, who do you trust????

john

 

[ArcticLight]

There will probably be some shakedowns on clearances, that this guy *had* a clearance is beyond me.
family members knew he was angry and mental, and yet they did nothing.

We lost four coworkers back east, I recognized those four names and may have known two of htem in years gone by.
First funeral is Thursday.

When I see DIRECT emails associated with recovering vehicles and personal items it gets disturbing.

I realize banning g uns is not the answer but the forefathers *DID* make mention that crazy people will NOT have access to firearms, it's in the federalist papers as well.

I expect some gun control out of this, and if done correctly will affect a n yone that sees a mental health professional. But face it, the past 10 mass shootings, 9 of them were mentals, well all 10 were if you incluide the terrorist action as you'd have to be mental to want to go kill people in the name of religion.

Definitely a sad week. Those 12 people had families and never did anything against this whack job.

 

[wilecoyote]

G'day WileC, The thing that has me bothered is now this has happened who can be put in place for security when both civies and people like this guy are at fault, who do you trust????

john

John,
I can't debate about a tragedy like that, nor deeply entering in politics_
_ said that,in my opinion, the fact that I'm wearing an army/navy/a.f./uniform should legit me to carry firearms, everywhere,everytime_
(otherwise I would volunteer for the boy-scouts or the salvation army)_
If my country don't allow that, but my country is allowed to ask me to sacrifice and die at his will, wearing the same uniforms of above, it's my country that don't trust on me_
my statement above could be wrong, but I'm stupid serious about that, until here, if not all for respect to the involved Victims, _

(If I would allowed to answer you less seriously, but for sure without any joy, I must admit that only in A.C.M.E. I can trust, "here") _
Mario_

 

[eli polite]

The whole thing is sad and a tragedy he should have never been able to buy a gun with 2 previous incidents. The problem is the 2 previous incidents never stuck. Having said that Zimmerman had 2 previous incidents as well he assaulted a police officer (ATF). And he put his hands on his ex girlfriend. Both incidents that would have prevented him from having a gun as well. But those incidents never stuck ether. One is now a hero and one a low life murderer! So the shady past of one is easily overlooked while the others is now from and center. I just find it interesting that's all.

On another note

Why trained milltitary can't carry is beyond me