Set up a game cam so you have a time stamped record of everything that happens to your tree. Get quote to replace tree. You will not be in small claims, a tree like that could cost thousands to replace. Show quote to neighbor.
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I agree with others about shooting the dog.
I am sorry, but the dog looks old enough to have learned by now what it can and can't do. At some point it is a lost cause to try and change them.
Since we are giving examples.......
I grew up out in the country in a small subdivision, maybe 50 houses or so. The lake that we lived by was a popular fishing area, and people would come from the near by towns and fish. While it was a good spot to fish, it was also far enough away from town that people would drop off their pets and just leave them. After a while we all know what happens to animals when left to their own means. After a while they would always find the little cluster of houses and run around. A few people would leave them scraps and what not, but never tried to "adopt" one and make it theirs. They would run around the houses tearing up yards, garbage cans, siding, and anything else they could find. After a while my parents had enough and decided that it was time to take care of the problem. They tried the peppers, sprays, urine and anything else they could find. Well none of it really worked, as they were still coming back and doing what they wanted. So my dad finally told me that if I saw them when I got home from school to shoot them with the shotgun. I shot more than people would like to hear, but with the cost of repairing the damage, and nobody taking responsibility for them.....it had to be done.
If the pound does come and pick this dog up, do you think that the owners are going to come and bail it out? They don't seem like they really want a dog in the first place. The pound will take it, and after a while if nobody adopts the dog they will put it down. Save yourself the time, headache, and annoyance and take out the middle man. If you are able to put it down. Though I would talk to the owner first and let him know that you are more than angry about the dog destroying your property. Talk with your other neighbors as well, becuase I am sure that the dog is doing the same to their trees as well. Let him know that if he doesn't take care of the problem you will. And just leave it at that.
If anything happens to the dog, and you get looked at.....well I was out with my buddies shooting.
I am sorry, but the dog looks old enough to have learned by now what it can and can't do. At some point it is a lost cause to try and change them.
Since we are giving examples.......
I grew up out in the country in a small subdivision, maybe 50 houses or so. The lake that we lived by was a popular fishing area, and people would come from the near by towns and fish. While it was a good spot to fish, it was also far enough away from town that people would drop off their pets and just leave them. After a while we all know what happens to animals when left to their own means. After a while they would always find the little cluster of houses and run around. A few people would leave them scraps and what not, but never tried to "adopt" one and make it theirs. They would run around the houses tearing up yards, garbage cans, siding, and anything else they could find. After a while my parents had enough and decided that it was time to take care of the problem. They tried the peppers, sprays, urine and anything else they could find. Well none of it really worked, as they were still coming back and doing what they wanted. So my dad finally told me that if I saw them when I got home from school to shoot them with the shotgun. I shot more than people would like to hear, but with the cost of repairing the damage, and nobody taking responsibility for them.....it had to be done.
If the pound does come and pick this dog up, do you think that the owners are going to come and bail it out? They don't seem like they really want a dog in the first place. The pound will take it, and after a while if nobody adopts the dog they will put it down. Save yourself the time, headache, and annoyance and take out the middle man. If you are able to put it down. Though I would talk to the owner first and let him know that you are more than angry about the dog destroying your property. Talk with your other neighbors as well, becuase I am sure that the dog is doing the same to their trees as well. Let him know that if he doesn't take care of the problem you will. And just leave it at that.
If anything happens to the dog, and you get looked at.....well I was out with my buddies shooting.
You could barrow a paint ball gun and nail him a few times, he will get it sooner or latter.
Christmas lights wrapped around the trunk .....be sure and water around the tree trunk real good ...the more standing water the better ;-)
That ^^^ or maybe you just suck at revenge...
Offer to help him install it? It makes you neighborly and solves your problem. Win/win.
I can almost guarantee the problem is that a GSD is a working dog and that lazy peice of shit who wont even install an electric fence damn sure isn't giving that dog the excercise it needs. A tired dog is a good dog. A GSD is a working dog, it needs something to do or it will get into trouble, or go stir crazy.
The lazy piece of shit owner likely didn't research what it takes to keep a GSD happy. They are great dogs and I would hate for you to shoot it but what needs to happen needs to happen. Is the dog friendly? I might just throw it in my vehicle and take it to the pound. Hopefully someone else will take it and give it a good home because it doesn't have one now.
Do you feel like playing with a dog every so often? When it comes into your yard throw a ball for it for a half hour or so. Tire the dog out, give it something to do. You get all the benefits of having a dog, like an animal to play with and some companionship and none of the downsides like having to feed it or pay vet bills.
Or maybe you dont want to play with it and would view it as work, thats fine too. Just offering some potential solutions.
If you just want the thing to stay out of your yard shoot it with pellet gun when ti crosses the property line. Paintballs never fly straight and because of that potentially hitting the dog in the face is too risky.
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Get one of those sprinklers with a motion detector. Dog gets sprayed o few time it will go some place else.
If you don't want to kill the dog you have fewer options. I understand that. The dog doesn't appear aggressive, just bored out of his mind. My pit will eat cayenne out of the jar, so that's a joke in some cases, but it might work. I vote for a 15 mile electric fence charger wrapped around your trees smeared with peanut butter. Let him sample it once, maybe twice before you turn on the juice.
I had a similar problem out west with my neighbor's horses. They would tear the bark off the birch trees. Bear spray worked in that case. If the bear spray doesn't work, then I would get creative. Does the dog get let out at the same time every day? If it does, lay in ambush with a hose or pressure washer tag it a few times and see if it gets the message. Increase the pain levels from there. I do not know about your local laws, but where I live, you can get a felony charge for killing someone's dog. Furthermore, its not a dog problem, so if I was you, I wouldn't take it out on the dog. The neighbor is obviously unresponsive, so give him reason to respond. Maybe buy some skunk scent and spray the dog with it. When he goes back to his house, the neighbors will have their own problem.
It's real simple, make your neighbor understand and problem solved. Does he have trees? Is his dog doing it to their trees as well?
So if you had neighbors with destructive children you would just shoot them to after repeat offenses? I have both (kids and dogs)...and I'm happy that I have neighbors with common sense. I actually saw my state cop next door today while doing some yard cleanup and asked him about the debate. He said that if there was no claim that the dog was aggressive I'd get locked up (residential neighborhood). Get some common sense people......you really want to go to court about something as idiotic as a damaged tree....come on.
LOL had a great convo with the proprietor of the local gun shop today. He had a buddy that had a nuisance moose problem. it was eating his wife's vegetable garden, and she was freaking the hell out, but doesn't want her husband to 'hurt the poor thing'. so he builds a potato gun, and figures one good lob to the chest will properly indicate his displeasure to the aforementioned moose.
He called up the gun store a while later, freaking out, pleading for advice, because naturally the accuracy was poor on his Potato cannon, and he had clobbered the moose in the head. Apparently a potato to the head will drop a moose.
Keep that in mind.
He called up the gun store a while later, freaking out, pleading for advice, because naturally the accuracy was poor on his Potato cannon, and he had clobbered the moose in the head. Apparently a potato to the head will drop a moose.
Keep that in mind.
Listen to all the Retards from back east. NY and Maryland, and the other libtarded states. In the real America Property Rights Mean just that! IF your dog chases my chickens, cows my kids or is destructive in any way, the dog is dead! IF you are a good neighbor and have informed them that the dog is doing this or just in general misbehaving its the neighbors responsibility to deal with their animal!!!!!
If someones cow gets out of there fence and gets hit by a car the owner of the cow is responsible for all damages! A good neighbor if he sees someones cows out calls them before going to get them back in....Why because being neighborly means doing what is right. The op has already spoken to the neighbor and he don't give a shit. Shoot the dog end of story.
If someones cow gets out of there fence and gets hit by a car the owner of the cow is responsible for all damages! A good neighbor if he sees someones cows out calls them before going to get them back in....Why because being neighborly means doing what is right. The op has already spoken to the neighbor and he don't give a shit. Shoot the dog end of story.
Nice name calling....I'll just assume "back east" translates to civilized....Thanks.
Normally I would say practice the OBVIOUSLY ancient art of the three S's. Ahh but being the civilized pathetic pussy whipped fucks that we have become we smile and say, "Maybe I should call someone or get me a date in court." Before anyone accuses me of being a "cruel bastard" I will have you know I have stopped along the road to dispatch the lowly opossum struggling in the road having been maimed to suffer by a fast Buick, do it quite often. A pellet gun or paintball will NOT solve a nuisance animal problem. It WILL make the fucker damn slick and sneaky and give him the bionic hearing of Steve Austin specifically tuned to door latches and windows sliding open. God knows I have tried.
High Binder is right about the piss to a point. It works sometimes, seemingly most effective for shitters. We had 2 basset hounds that kept shitting literally on my doorstep. I began making a point of pissing around the front porch, problem solved. I have a habit of pissing all over my 4.5 acres now. If I am in the living room I walk outside to take a piss. It works until you get a real aggressive or Alpha and then other more permanent means become necessary. It won't keep a black bear out of your yard. I now have one of those shitting in my front yard, I never could catch him in the daylight during bear season unfortunately.
I will use a bit of logic here. You are fond of your trees obviously. It appears you may not have many trees, which means the three S's are risky, since logic dictates maybe you don't live in the country. You posted this on the internet so it also seems logical you don't live in the sticks, again indicating trees are a valuable commodity in your neighborhood. That dog would have a field day at my place. I would actually pay 20 bucks to see him have a go at a couple oaks that would take him sveral months to strip even with his veracity.
It appears your best bet may be to invite your neighbors over for supper and keep a Dexter DVD playing on the big screen all through supper.
Wahtever you do don't poison the damn dog. That is shitty beyond understanding. Dog threatening my livestock children, or attacking my pets(aggressive dog)? SSS No phonecall! A dog attacking my trees or shitting in my yard? Be a man dammit! Piss like the fucking Alpha you aspire to be!
High Binder is right about the piss to a point. It works sometimes, seemingly most effective for shitters. We had 2 basset hounds that kept shitting literally on my doorstep. I began making a point of pissing around the front porch, problem solved. I have a habit of pissing all over my 4.5 acres now. If I am in the living room I walk outside to take a piss. It works until you get a real aggressive or Alpha and then other more permanent means become necessary. It won't keep a black bear out of your yard. I now have one of those shitting in my front yard, I never could catch him in the daylight during bear season unfortunately.
I will use a bit of logic here. You are fond of your trees obviously. It appears you may not have many trees, which means the three S's are risky, since logic dictates maybe you don't live in the country. You posted this on the internet so it also seems logical you don't live in the sticks, again indicating trees are a valuable commodity in your neighborhood. That dog would have a field day at my place. I would actually pay 20 bucks to see him have a go at a couple oaks that would take him sveral months to strip even with his veracity.
It appears your best bet may be to invite your neighbors over for supper and keep a Dexter DVD playing on the big screen all through supper.
Wahtever you do don't poison the damn dog. That is shitty beyond understanding. Dog threatening my livestock children, or attacking my pets(aggressive dog)? SSS No phonecall! A dog attacking my trees or shitting in my yard? Be a man dammit! Piss like the fucking Alpha you aspire to be!
Gimpy, while all of Illinois isn't Chicago, you're in freaking Illinois. Don't be egged on by all these would-be alpha dogs here. Unless you're really in the sticks my guess is you could easily get yourself into a shit-storm of legal trouble taking some of the old-school advice here. Throwing caution to the wind in order to "be a man" has been the bane of many a dumbarse and young man. Real men take care of business without winding up arrested, sued, or fined. Bust out your phone book and start agitating to make it some bureaucrat's problem and get some value for your tax dollar for a change.
And not all shelters are kill shelters these days.
And not all shelters are kill shelters these days.
Step # 1 Shit in a bucket for a couple of days then liberally coat the shit in bacon grease. Covertly apply mixture to spot in the yard. Do this for a few days.
Step #2 Buy an Airedale and let him out to "pee" when you see neighbors dog in your yard.
Step #3 Cut down maple tree. It's trashed and ain't going to make it.
For all of you out there that have dogs crapping in your yard, just pour bacon grease on the turds and you will enjoy free dog log removal and maybe the dogs owner will get the juicy concoction barfed on the misses new shag carpet.
Step #2 Buy an Airedale and let him out to "pee" when you see neighbors dog in your yard.
Step #3 Cut down maple tree. It's trashed and ain't going to make it.
For all of you out there that have dogs crapping in your yard, just pour bacon grease on the turds and you will enjoy free dog log removal and maybe the dogs owner will get the juicy concoction barfed on the misses new shag carpet.
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Before you put the bacon grease on, stuff the turds full of the ex lax. That will insure a positive outcome.
I was going to stay out of this one, but this story requires comment....Wish I had video of that!!!!
I wish I had more, but the Shop owner just told the dude to drag the moose into his garage and NEVER tell a soul what happened. Though I'm sure if you stop by the gun and tackle shop in Eagle River AK and mention nuisance moose, he'll probably launch right into it.
I'd be careful about killing someones dog. Just because the pup isn't trained and the owner doesn't seem to care, it does not mean he/they don't love it. Most people love their pets like children and will seek vengeance should they be harmed. I know I would especially if I knew who did it. There are intelligent ways of taking care of this. Lots of good ideas have been mentioned other than "kill it". I challenge those that would seek to destroy a life over something like this to be truthful and honest and say they would agree if it were done to one of their pets for the same thing.
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I think inviting the neighbor over to watch a movie. You could watch a movie of the dog eating your tree. Over and over. And you could even discuss how your neighbor is going to replace that tree for you. You could even have quotes available for him to look over. Mke sure you tell him to bring the beer.
I agree, there is the manly thing to do and then there is the prudent thing to do. Killing the dog will get you in trouble. Since you have discussed it here on the net, you cant deny it. Taking any action against the dog, unless you or your family is threatened will get you in trouble. So, let the neighbor know he is the one responsible for the dog. A reply of "that dog is crazy" is unacceptable. Law enforcement needs to get involved. A call to 911 about a "rabid threatening dog" loose in your backyard should get immediate response.
I agree, there is the manly thing to do and then there is the prudent thing to do. Killing the dog will get you in trouble. Since you have discussed it here on the net, you cant deny it. Taking any action against the dog, unless you or your family is threatened will get you in trouble. So, let the neighbor know he is the one responsible for the dog. A reply of "that dog is crazy" is unacceptable. Law enforcement needs to get involved. A call to 911 about a "rabid threatening dog" loose in your backyard should get immediate response.
Have you tried turning the hose on the dog? Or maybe a motion sensor that triggers sprinklers?
I would never kill a dog over a tree. The owners are at fault, as much as I love dogs, they don't do boundaries really well. It is up to the owners to deal with the dog. The best idea won't get you into any trouble as shooting or poisoning the dog could. Video the dog damaging the tree, get a written estimate of the cost to replace the tree, present owners with both of those, along with a formal notice that if they don't make it stop, they will end up paying to replace the tree. Then take 'em to court...when they loose, they will most likely have to pay YOUR attorney's fees if you put them into your notice to them.
Animal cruelty isn't cool, especially over a damned tree. I detest idiot dog owners.
Animal cruelty isn't cool, especially over a damned tree. I detest idiot dog owners.
Do i have to come up to Fiddler"s green and scalp ya, lol.
Where is this "real America" you are talking about ?
That tree is going to die, get a quote for replacement and sue his ass. Coughing up a few grand will send the message.
For the record I told him in a roundabout way, admittedly, to piss in his fucking yard like all men that I know do. I do not think a destroyed tree warrants the death penalty and did not insinuate it did. Piss in the yard. I do not think his locale is accommodating to firing shots. Piss in the yard. Unless the animal has shown absolute aggression toward an ACTUAL sentient being (fucking human) , or family pets or livestock, I do not condone the 3 S's. Piss in the yard liberally. I do however reserve the right, contrary to some here who have probably never lost THOUSANDS of dollars worth of livestock to a neighbors fucking ravaging mutt, to shoot any fucking dog that is dangerous to actual bipeds and quadrupeds. Piss in the yard often.
I have heard the "not my dog" bullshit before when assessing the slaughter of spring lambs and laying hens. When killer goes missing it is my turn, "couldn't have been your dog in my pasture, he NEVER leaves home." If some people had their way running over an animal would be considered manslaughter. Hitting a sheep killing dog with a bullet doing 3000fps is not animal cruelty, it is solving a fucking problem that will continue unless it is ELIMINATED. A tree killing dog is an inconvenience that can be handled with leisure, and aggressive dog is not. Piss in the yard.
I have heard the "not my dog" bullshit before when assessing the slaughter of spring lambs and laying hens. When killer goes missing it is my turn, "couldn't have been your dog in my pasture, he NEVER leaves home." If some people had their way running over an animal would be considered manslaughter. Hitting a sheep killing dog with a bullet doing 3000fps is not animal cruelty, it is solving a fucking problem that will continue unless it is ELIMINATED. A tree killing dog is an inconvenience that can be handled with leisure, and aggressive dog is not. Piss in the yard.
Looks like a problem with the dog, maybe health wise. If he's eating the bark, then his diet that your neighbor is giving him is flawed. If he's just tearing it off, then there's some kind of psychological issue that your neighbor is causing(Not playing with him, not enough attention, etc.) Also, since GSD are among the easiest dogs to train(why the breed is selected for service in K-9 units and as Military Working Dogs), then it's obviously the owner who is not teaching him.
I don't recommend that you do some of ideas of this thread. Ex-lax can kill a dog. From that it opens you up to a lawsuit, legal action, and even criminal prosecution is possible. Same with anything that can kill or injure the dog.
We're not talking about a wild dog like a wolf, a yote, or even a feral dog. If we were, then I'd have some choice advice of my own. This is another person's property, a domestic dog, and a Shepard on top of that.
My money points to the dog owner as being the overall problem. It could be something as simple as him not taking the dog on enough walks.
I don't recommend that you do some of ideas of this thread. Ex-lax can kill a dog. From that it opens you up to a lawsuit, legal action, and even criminal prosecution is possible. Same with anything that can kill or injure the dog.
We're not talking about a wild dog like a wolf, a yote, or even a feral dog. If we were, then I'd have some choice advice of my own. This is another person's property, a domestic dog, and a Shepard on top of that.
My money points to the dog owner as being the overall problem. It could be something as simple as him not taking the dog on enough walks.
Another reason I couldn't live in a city.
I seriously doubt you're going to change that dogs behavior at this point. He seems to be enjoying himself.
This is a no win situation.
I seriously doubt you're going to change that dogs behavior at this point. He seems to be enjoying himself.
This is a no win situation.
Just got back from a porch piss. Did I miss anything?
Got the best idea yet. Get yourself a pet. I recommend an 8+ foot gator. Chain him to the tree. Problem solved. Guaranfuckinteed.
Got the best idea yet. Get yourself a pet. I recommend an 8+ foot gator. Chain him to the tree. Problem solved. Guaranfuckinteed.
I have a dog and I love my animal. If someone just randomly killed my dog YES we would have a problem. If I'm warned that my dog is doing something wrong its my job to correct it. My dog is a bitter. I never let my dog loose to run and do what ever he wants. My dog is behind a fence or on a leash every time he gos anywhere. Why because people all say what a lovely dog and then try and pet him. My neighbors kid is Mentally handicapped, the kid teases my dog when I'm not out side with him. I have seen him do it. I have told him to stop. I have spoken to his parents about the problem "both of who my dog lets pet him". Their son one day decided to pet my dog, he got bit and was on his chain. Neighbors don't say a word. Why it was their child's fault. I do my utmost to keep people from getting bit by my dog. I go above and beyond. I expect people to live up to their responsibilities.
Does your neighbor have a doggy door? If yes then you are golden. Obtain a 55 gallon drum with lid. When the neighbors leave and you can restrain Barky the tree killing dog, put him in the barrel. You will definitely need a wheeltruck because this must be done with speed and precision. Get some waterbased latex paint in a hellacious loud color, wear a disguise when you buy it, lots of busybodies in our society now you know. Now that you have Barky in the barrel pour in the paint, a quart or two should do, be nice and careful, don't get it in his eyes. Now shut him back up quick and wheel him over to the doggy door...uh huh...figure out what you are gonna do next? Now if you are smart you have already figured out you also need a wide scrap board and a couple 16 penny nails. Turn the drum over in front of the doggy door and carefully slide the lid out. He should shoot like a fucking Titan rocket through that door. When he does, slam that board across the doggy door and nail her shut. E&E back to base and do a quick cleanup leaving no trace of the residual chartreuse paint(just a little suggestion there on the neighbors new color scheme). No matter the fallout, it will be worth the ride, and sweet delicious revenge.
Though I often disagree with Cartman I think he has given you sage advice.
Yes, dog is a fine meal.
This thread has been like watching the Walking Dead, some installments are simply brilliant, others really bad, but you just keep coming back to learn what happens next.
Entertaining indeed. Pretty much two groups here: Those who claim to have broken laws (or a willingness to do so), and those who feel the system should be used. If the details were different, say a known pedophile moved in the neighborhood, many in the second group would switch sides. A situation involving a horse, wild game animal or a bald eagle and some of the first group would switch. Moral of the story? We're all hypocrites.
Here is how I would handle it.
I would make a point of documenting the behavior with video and/or photography.
Then, go speak to the neighbor and very politely ask him to take some definition action to stop the behavior.
Then, inform him, should he protest, again, very politely, that he has left you no choice but to take this up with the local authorities, never appear to be angry, never raise your voice, never be anything but absolutely polite, but also be assertive and let him know that the behavior must end and you would rather it end with him choosing to be a responsible dog owner.
Then go to the local authorities and persist with them.
Or do nothing.
Or just complain about it on a gun forum, which I think we are all enjoying.
My. 02, and as always, FWIW YMMV.
I would make a point of documenting the behavior with video and/or photography.
Then, go speak to the neighbor and very politely ask him to take some definition action to stop the behavior.
Then, inform him, should he protest, again, very politely, that he has left you no choice but to take this up with the local authorities, never appear to be angry, never raise your voice, never be anything but absolutely polite, but also be assertive and let him know that the behavior must end and you would rather it end with him choosing to be a responsible dog owner.
Then go to the local authorities and persist with them.
Or do nothing.
Or just complain about it on a gun forum, which I think we are all enjoying.
My. 02, and as always, FWIW YMMV.
Make friends with dog to where the dog likes you better than owner, put dog up for adoption or have euthanized.[/QUOTE]
I'm pulling for this option. It will demoralize the neighbor and the dog the most.
I'm pulling for this option. It will demoralize the neighbor and the dog the most.
Sour Apple anti dog spray works good, find it at any pet store...same stuff they use on dogs right before the tail to stop them from chewing themselves.
ON pepper sprays:
Go buy the hottest dried peppers you can find. Get about 5 pounds. Add enough water to cover, then simmer. You will choke and gag, you will cough. Open a window. When you are done, get some gloves and put this in your spray bottle. Strong Lime Citrus also works, dogs don't like it
THIS sounds like the ticket. Be absolutely sure you get it on video.
It's not hypocritical to make decisions based on practicality and actual variables. It would be if you were to suggest always using the system to solve your problems because it's the right thing to do, then bypassing the system when it didn't work for you. But deciding not to shoot a neighbor's dog then later deciding to shoot a raccoon or bobcat (or wild dog) are not really even the same thing.
Completely missed the point.
Your post indicated that "we're all hypocrites" based on the responses in the thread. So if not that then what is your point?
It is not the dogs fault. It is the owner. Make it painful for him. Make him replace the trees.
