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It's not a "kid" problem, it's a "Parent" problem,,,,

Sean the Nailer

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    Here's a good example of the lack of logic, consideration, and respect so many more people today have for others/everyone else. The degree of selfishness and ignorance is expanding exponentially.

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    Don't get me wrong. I love kids, and think people should have more of them. (but let's not turn this into a political/religious discussion) The thing is though, movie theaters limit the ages of their patrons, based on what is being 'shown'. The concept of other establishments/facilities doing the same for/with certain situations is perfectly fine.

    The problem here though, is pointing out the fact that "people" aren't able to do the actual thinking and logic application on their own. And that, my friends, is the point I'm trying to bring up.
     
    Yep. Im a father of three and when my kids were infants I wouldn't let them ruin anyone's meal. The times we did try and go out, if my kid was screaming, one of us would leave while the other settled the check. It's respect for others. The owners have every right to refuse them service. My wife and I checked out Lone Survivor this weekend. I was shaking my head at the number of kids there. There was one around 5 and another around 8. Those are the parents choices I know. In my opinion they're being irresponsible parents by letting their kids see violence like that at an early age. My 10 yr old daughter knows the story of Operation Redwings and the honor and sacrifice that was made because I told her the story. I left out the gory details but explained it was horrible. These parents expose their kids to violence like this and then the rest of us have to deal with the little bastards. It's up to the parents to do the right thing, and you're right, it doesn't happen very often anymore. People are too damn lazy and too concermed with their owm happiness to do the right thing.
     
    Want a realistic view of the world ( America ) to come??? Go teach high school for a month. Well OVER 50% of parents do NOT raise their children with ANY respect for authority AT ALL !!! Been doing this for 7 years after working as a journeyman tool and die maker at GM and hopefully this will be my last year in education. Ever try shoving a hot dog thru the eye of a needle? Kinda like trying to teach high school students that don't want to learn, won't stay off their cell phones, won't stay awake, play video games all night, sleep at school. Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................stop!!!
     
    Fk respect for authority, that needs to be earned by the so called authorities, too many sheeple as it is in this freaking country. The thing that is not being taught to the kids and is completely missing from the parents nature is simple manners. For all the kid haters on that twitter, they need to remember that these kids will be paying the bill for their social security and taking care of their old asses in one generation. If the parents learned manners themselves they would have cut the dinner short when they couldn't calm their little ankle biter down.
     
    Fk respect for authority, that needs to be earned by the so called authorities, too many sheeple as it is in this freaking country. The thing that is not being taught to the kids and is completely missing from the parents nature is simple manners. For all the kid haters on that twitter, they need to remember that these kids will be paying the bill for their social security and taking care of their old asses in one generation. If the parents learned manners themselves they would have cut the dinner short when they couldn't calm their little ankle biter down.

    No lie. Good truth in them words

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    Fk respect for authority, that needs to be earned by the so called authorities, too many sheeple as it is in this freaking country. The thing that is not being taught to the kids and is completely missing from the parents nature is simple manners. For all the kid haters on that twitter, they need to remember that these kids will be paying the bill for their social security and taking care of their old asses in one generation. If the parents learned manners themselves they would have cut the dinner short when they couldn't calm their little ankle biter down.

    True. My kids are 10 and under and they say 'yes ma'am, no ma'am, yessir and no sir' even the 4 yr old. If they didn't, they'd be looking for their teeth. Anyone who knows me also knows as adults if they catch them slipping to correct them on it. Looking people in the eyes when they're talking to them and sirs and mams, it's not fing hard. People are just too lazy or too concerned what others will say if they correct their kids in public. Like I stated before, lazy parents.
     
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    Want a realistic view of the world ( America ) to come??? Go teach high school for a month. Well OVER 50% of parents do NOT raise their children with ANY respect for authority AT ALL !!! Been doing this for 7 years after working as a journeyman tool and die maker at GM and hopefully this will be my last year in education. Ever try shoving a hot dog thru the eye of a needle? Kinda like trying to teach high school students that don't want to learn, won't stay off their cell phones, won't stay awake, play video games all night, sleep at school. Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................stop!!!

    You watch to much FOX news the governments not taking care of shit.

    I'm the father of 3 and I can tell you from experience that kids under the age of 1 cry because they need something not just because... At no point would I ever subject any one to there crying for longer than it took for my wife or I to get the kid out of the room! Change the diaper feed them take care of what ever they need than return if that's not happening that its time to go. Kids are like dogs they become what they are raised to become I'm proud to say that my son just posted the highest score in the state on his testing and won a $1000 scholarship he's only a freshman. IF you expect them to put out there full potential they will
     
    You watch to much FOX news the governments not taking care of shit.

    I'm the father of 3 and I can tell you from experience that kids under the age of 1 cry because they need something not just because... At no point would I ever subject any one to there crying for longer than it took for my wife or I to get the kid out of the room! Change the diaper feed them take care of what ever they need than return if that's not happening that its time to go. Kids are like dogs they become what they are raised to become I'm proud to say that my son just posted the highest score in the state on his testing and won a $1000 scholarship he's only a freshman. IF you expect them to put out there full potential they will

    I watch ZERO Fox news, I live in the real world. I don't need a tv station or talk radio host to give me my opinion, I have it from real life. You, eli polite, raised your child to be responsible, you would be the exception, NOT the rule at the school I teach at currently. I have a half dozen family members in education and all would agree, it starts at home.
    You have EVERY right to brag on your scholar son, but don't think for a minute that you're right in thinking a teacher will get "their full potential" out of a student that has parents that are 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients and high school drop outs. Give me a break.
    It starts at home.
     
    The people in the OP were obviously pretty well off. Whether rich or on welfare I think the same applies.Lots of good people in all economic strata lots of bad ones too. It boild down to respect an manners in general society. Dam we are all sounding like our fathers, these dam hippies will ruin this country etc etc.
     
    No manners...but also no respect.

    I was taught to respect elders as a kid, and got my ass BUSTED if I didn't.

    IMO, the biggest problem today is lack of fathers' foots in kids' asses.

    I have two young boys, and I don't want to be their friends - I want to be their father. Because though there were a few times I hated my dad...as a parent now, the man was right.
     
    Want a realistic view of the world ( America ) to come??? Go teach high school for a month. Well OVER 50% of parents do NOT raise their children with ANY respect for authority AT ALL !!! Been doing this for 7 years after working as a journeyman tool and die maker at GM and hopefully this will be my last year in education. Ever try shoving a hot dog thru the eye of a needle? Kinda like trying to teach high school students that don't want to learn, won't stay off their cell phones, won't stay awake, play video games all night, sleep at school. Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................stop!!!

    As a high school math teacher, I agree 100%. My best students have involved, concerned parents. Almost every one of my problem students come from single households where the residential parent could care less if their child is successful or not.
     
    You watch to much FOX news the governments not taking care of shit.

    I'm the father of 3 and I can tell you from experience that kids under the age of 1 cry because they need something not just because... At no point would I ever subject any one to there crying for longer than it took for my wife or I to get the kid out of the room! Change the diaper feed them take care of what ever they need than return if that's not happening that its time to go. Kids are like dogs they become what they are raised to become I'm proud to say that my son just posted the highest score in the state on his testing and won a $1000 scholarship he's only a freshman. IF you expect them to put out there full potential they will

    Awesome for you and your family. I agree, if you expect your children to act a certain way, more times than not they will. If you could care less about how they act, they will amount to nothing in life.
     
    I agree 100% with the lack of fathers and more increasingly mothers as well. Grand parents are raising quite a few kids these days because both parents are dead beats.. Parents are getting younger and those parents lack the wisdom to properly raise a kid. The problem is not a class thing it a society thing. There was a point where the man of the house went out and earned a living and the wife had a full time job raising the kids and keeping the home. Not any more in order for most household to keep up with there bills both parents work and the kids are left to day cares and pre schools. I have been luck enough to be able to earn a good enough living to where my wife has not had to work. but even the wealthier people have gotten to the point where they have a baby and a care taker raises it.. Children have become a burden to parent because they are self centered selfish people.

    my brother is a teacher and we talk several times a week about the educational system and how fucked it is and the state of the students.. my comment was in response to your end statement

    "Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................stop!!! " the government will what they aren't going to take care of shit I have been on the poor side of things for almost all of my younger years. My dead beat dad decided he wanted to be in a polygamist marriage and my mom had no choice but to leave. I haven't seen him sense and my mother was left to raise 4 boys on her own. I can tell you government assistance doesn't cover shit. Contrary what some believe.. I rose from the ashes because I came up in a shit world and had no choice in the matter and made the decision that MY! family would never experience that. I'm not talking out of my ass I have been there. I'm one of the luck ones that made it out more because I was pissed off than any thing else..

    The parents in the above video are selfish if I remember correctly they said they could not find a sitter so they took there kid? So fuck it rite there going to go any ways and inconvenience every one else because they want what they want. Selfishness is the root cause
     
    my comment was in response to your end statement

    "Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................stop!!! " the government will what they aren't going to take care of

    The parents in the above video are selfish if I remember correctly they said they could not find a sitter so they took there kid? So fuck it rite there going to go any ways and inconvenience every one else because they want what they want. Selfishness is the root cause

    I didn't finish my sentence because I didn't want to go there. What it would have read is.......

    "Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................give them welfare, food stamps, a cell phone, free healthcare!!! "
    Why should they work? I've got students that are 3rd and 4th generation welfare , food stamp recipients. When the crap hits the fan, and it will, 1 of the reasons will be that the "haves" are tired of supporting and giving to the "have nots". And I understand that SOME people need government assistance, but most have made it their career choice !!!

    I had 5 family members in education before I got in it and I had ZERO idea how bad our system was until I started teaching. And don't get me started on ADD and ADHD diagnosis's. We now try to numb our kids with meds because we didn't raise them with manners, respect, PRIDE, empathy, MORAL'S !!!!!!! So, they play violent video games, take mind altering med's for these over diagnosed conditions, then they shoot up schools, commit suicide and act out in numerous other ways. Why do we have so many gangs in schools???? They crave a "family" atmosphere and the gang answers that call. I digress.
     
    I didn't finish my sentence because I didn't want to go there. What it would have read is.......

    "Why would they need an education....the GOVERNMENT will.................give them welfare, food stamps, a cell phone, free healthcare!!! "
    Why should they work? I've got students that are 3rd and 4th generation welfare , food stamp recipients. When the crap hits the fan, and it will, 1 of the reasons will be that the "haves" are tired of supporting and giving to the "have nots". And I understand that SOME people need government assistance, but most have made it their career choice !!!

    I had 5 family members in education before I got in it and I had ZERO idea how bad our system was until I started teaching. And don't get me started on ADD and ADHD diagnosis's. We now try to numb our kids with meds because we didn't raise them with manners, respect, PRIDE, empathy, MORAL'S !!!!!!! So, they play violent video games, take mind altering med's for these over diagnosed conditions, then they shoot up schools, commit suicide and act out in numerous other ways. Why do we have so many gangs in schools???? They crave a "family" atmosphere and the gang answers that call. I digress.

    That makes it shitty for people who actually have ADD/ADHD, they don't get treatment and insurance companies refuse to diagnose/treat it.
     
    That makes it shitty for people who actually have ADD/ADHD, they don't get treatment and insurance companies refuse to diagnose/treat it.

    Petrov, you are so right. This is especially true when one encounters a 40ish y/o person with ADHD. If this information is disclosed to anyone, it is looked upon with shock, amazement, disbelief, and suspicion. And yet, the problem that the person deals with is constant, daily influencing, and at times 'critical'. Add to this, that the average ADHD med ALSO has a number of side-effects for long term users..... it really isn't a pleasant situation for one to deal with. But these are the crosses that we bear, right?
     
    They are what you teach them to be most of the time (with a few notable exceptions). If you act like a hard working, polite, respectful, and responsible person, and teach those values, that is often what they will be. On the other hand, if you act like an entitled jerk (rich or poor) treat people like excrement, and insist that you are a victim of circumstance and nothing you do is your fault, That is also what your children will most likely be.

    I make my children listen, respect, and teach them they way to treat people, as well as setting the absolute best example I can for them. I also have to force myself to remember that they are children, and not just little adults, and they naturally have shorter attention spans, and make bone-headed mistakes.
     
    A small caveat:

    Have you seen how Apple is refunding $32 million in app purchases because children were buying apps without parental consent?

    How, I ask you, is that Apples fault? iPhone and iPad users were reporting as much as $2600 in app purchases, and the (arguably over indulgent parents) blame Apple instead of their own lack of parental supervision? Maddening I tell you.
     
    Children are not much different than employees. You get what you demand of them. If you demand little from your employees (or children) you get little from them. We are conditioned through our perameters and requirements. Unforunately today........nothing is required of us!
     
    I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying so don't take me as combative but the general Idea that there is incentive for people not to work because welfare pays so good. statistics do not bear out this accusation. The two largest welfare programs -- by far -- are Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and food stamps..the average yearly AFDC family payment was $4,572, and food stamps for a family of three averaged $2,469, for a total of $7,041. (1) In that year, the poverty level for a mother with two children was $11,186. (2) Thus, these two programs paid only 63 percent of the poverty level, and 74 percent of a minimum wage job.

    There are other welfare programs available, of course, but they either pay a minuscule fraction of AFDC and food stamps, or, if larger, they are collected by only a small percentage of all welfare recipients. For example, housing assistance trails a distant third on the total welfare budget, but only one-fourth of all AFDC recipients collect housing assistance, and even then their food stamp benefits are reduced if they do. Studies show that combined AFDC, food stamps and housing assistance lift fewer than one welfare family in five above the poverty line

    The low payments, low participation rates, and exclusionary policies of these other welfare programs hasn't stopped some welfare critics from adding them all up together and claiming that the average welfare recipient collects some ridiculously huge sum, like $20,687 a year in California. Indeed, the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, has done exactly that. It's regrettable to see such flawed methodology pushed by a national think tank, even more dismaying to see their figures cited by political leaders like California governor Pete Wilson. (At least before more serious academicians corrected him). But it's probably the only way that welfare critics can continue to maintain the fiction that welfare rewards nonwork more than work. (For a fuller deconstruction of the Cato study, click here..

    The funny thing I though the same way for a long time until I decided to actually look into the fact and not formulate an opinion based on the idiots in the media...Mark twain said it best.. " if you don't have a news paper your un informed.. if you have a news paper your misinformed"

    You cant blame the youth of this country. they had no choice in the home they were born into and the way they were brought up in. That is the responsibility of our generation. My oldest daughter is adopted I adopted her when I was 22yo and she was about 9 months old. Because her real father is a dead beat looser. She has never even seen him.. Every one COMPLAINS about the current situation but few people do any thing to change it. My door is open to ANY! kid that needs it and I have had several over the years stay with me. SO YEAH WE HAVE A PROBLEM WIT THE YUTH OF TODAY! the question is what are you going to do about it.. our education is fucked ! the test my son did so well on is a standardized test.. there is no such thing as a standard kid I guarantee that there are kids that fail that test that have more brains than some of the kids that KILLED! it. Some kids just don't test well.

    There are kids out there with no real education that were born in the worst conditions possible. That are running fortune 500 business out of ghetto row homes. They are importing and exporting dealing with supply and demand, employee issues, product devilment, business expansion, cash flow management, return on investment, logistics, and quite a bit more. They build drug empires because they never had a chance to do any thing different. Think what these people could be doing if they were give the chance! But all we are capable of doing is complaining about it but complaining does not fix the problem..
     
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    I'll go so far as to say it's not a kid problem, it's not a parent problem (at least holistically speaking) it's a cultural problem.

    Culturally we've placed so much value on materialistic possession for so long...and we wonder why we have selfish citizens? We're reaping what we've been sowing for several decades and somewhere along the way the American Dream transformed from the opportunity to succeed to an expectation of the common man living like aristocracy.

    After having worked in the marketing industry for a while, I've started to think it began when marketing become less of an activity and more of a science (in the 60's). With big data, marketers know EXACTLY how to message you to get you to think you deserve to treat yourself to whatever it is they're selling you. Those messages are pervasive and over several decades, I think have contributed a great deal to our erosion of values.

    Now, juxtapose that with the globalization of our economy, which has sent all the unskilled and most of the moderate skilled labor overseas to cheaper markets, and the have's and have not's gap is going to continue to widen. I think for the first time in a long time, we're going to start to see generations of Americans whose standard of living is less than their parents.

    We're already starting to see that now, as a lot of middle class generational wealth has been used up to afford to send grandchildren to school and help them out as they struggle to start out in life. Too bad, because now not many have that wealth as they exit the workforce.

    At some point, even the most progressive government programs will fail (more than they already have). When our collective expectation falls far short of the reality...it'll get really interesting.

    I think we're on a tipping point, and we're entering an era of consequence.
     
    Most parents now a days are affraid to beat their kids, or properly discipline them. When I was a kid and i mouthed off or did something wrong......i got my ass beat! so did most in my generation and you can see the difference between that and the teenagers of today.

    I'm all for spoiling your kids, i definately spoil mine but i also teach them respect and manners along with incouraging a strong work ethic.

    but like many said already, it comes down to good parenting.

    If you want your children to turn out well then spend half as much money on them and twice as much time. Teach them the value of things, and not the cost.
     
    I agree Eli and Former 0302, we are on a crash course and the brake lines have been cut. It's been heading this way for too long for ANY governing body to turn it around. If anyone is familiar with the statement that Proffesor Tyler made over 2 hundred years ago. In a nut shell he said no society in recorded history has experienced democracy for more than 200 yrs. before it crumbles. Basically they go from bondage to great courage, from courage to revolution, to freedom then to prosperity, from prosperity to abundance, from abundance to greed, from greed to complacency, from there to apathy from apathy to dependency, and from there back to bondage!!! Do you see anything familiar in this that may be happening in this country????? What do we have left? one more step???