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Gunsmithing PTG's Howa bottom metal

proneshooter

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Despite what is claimed in Midway's product description: PTG Trigger Guard AICS Detachable Box Mag Howa 1500 Weatherby Vanguard, this is NOT a drop in (or even close) product.


My 1500 is bedded in a Manners MCS-T (the std Howa floorplate is bedded to perfection) and the PTG unit did not even want to go in 1/4 of the way. I've relieved the stock in all the places that I dare (and as much as I dare) and the thing is still about 80% of the way in.

This is obviously going to become a gunsmith install, though at least the PTG unit is 1/2 the cost of everything else out there.

Buyer beware
 
Hey proneshooter,

The bottom metals will be quite a bit different then the stock. On midways site it does say that inletting is required to fit the bottom metal. If you have acess to a mill its about a 30 min job, if i remeber right the DBM has a 1 degree taper on the sides from font to back in the mag area.

Casey

the link you have says "Minor inletting" your correct, its a bit more then minor. The link I had said it will need to be inletted
PTG Trigger Guard AICS Detachable Box Mag Howa 1500 Short Action
 
That's my point. Midway's product description sucks and embellishes the truth more than a bit. Not PTG's fault, as their website makes no similar claims.

Maybe PTG should state "inletting required" on their website to set the record straight.
 
Did any one else find that after they installed it to the correct height to fit a mag that it sat proud of the stock?
When I installed mine not only did you have to remove part of the action but to get it to work with a mag it doesn't sit flush at all.

Works great but looks bad.
 
I just 'inletted' a B&C #2998 stock for the PTG DBM Sunday; the total inlet job consisted of using a 5/8" endmill to extend the front tang inlet by .015". Yes, I have a vertical mill, but the same thing could easily be accomplished with a Dremel and a little careful cutting. Point is, the inlet for the OEM BM/floorplate uses the same tang width as the PTG DBM, so there are no angles or radii to deal with. After that single simple cut, the DBM fit was nigh-on to perfect, and the metal was flush with the stock bottom contours.

The downside to the way the PTG & B&C #2998 stock go together is that the new HACT trigger shoe sits a little high in the PTG's tg. Everything fits & functions as it should, including the bolt stop, but the tip of my finger is kinda low on the trigger. It's the same story, though to a lesser extent in the McM A5 I used the PTG DBM in...continued below....

I also used PTG DBM on a Howa build in a McM A5 stock a month ago, and found there was very little work needed to get it to fit nicely. IIRC, I spent about 30 min. figuring out where material needed removed, and accomplishing that with the mill & a Dremel. McM was going to do the DBM inlet for me when they built the stock, but PTG was way later than they'd estimated in getting their DBM out. When McM called to tell me they were ready to do the inlet on my stock, I told them to go ahead and do it for the OEM BM, since I had no idea how long it'd be before PTG could get a DBM unit out to either me or McM.

Whatever the reason for the high trigger issue (could be mostly due to the new HACT trigger), feeding with the PTG & 260 Imp 30* on the Howa McM A5 is excellent, using AccurateMag or AICS 5-rd 308 mags.

Comparing a Timney Howa trigger to the new HACT model, the Timney shoe isn't any longer than the HACT's, and Timney's literature states that their original trigger won't fit the newer Vanguard II rifles, which probably means it won't fit Howa's with the HACT trigger. Need to call Timney for clarification on this point. It's not really an issue for me, as the HACT will adjust down to just under 2lbs, and at that weight, is so close to the feel of a Timney, there's very reason little to spend the extra $$ on the Timney. What I need is a longer trigger shoe to work with the PTG DBM, but what's the chance that anyone would go to the expense of developing & marketing something like that?