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New Garmin Foretrex 701 with Applied Ballistics!

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Introducing the New Garmin Foretrex 701 With Applied Ballistics Engine!

See More Info Here: Garmin Fortrex 701 - Applied Ballistics LLC

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Some of you have taken notice of a new device we were fielding at the King of 2 Miles. This device is quite simply a combination of 3 systems in to 1.

1) Applied Ballistics
2) Garmin GPS Navigator
3) Jumpmaster

All in one unit. This is a short list of what it can do, but make no mistake about its accuracy. As this device proved its worth in helping to win the King Of 2 Miles. Not only did it prove its worth, it provided us with some new data and valuable research all while being field tested in the heat of competition.

Here you will find some images of the device in use. This device was compared against laboratory software, and other known devices to ensure its accuracy on the fly. Every member of the AB ELR Team was pushing the device to its limits. On the note of ELR, this device has some features that an ELR User will find invaluable with its ELR friendly core. This device is capable of taking environmental, location, and direction of fire measurements. Allowing for accurate prediction of secondary effects. But on top of that, it is capable of running firing solutions past 12,000 yards. The processor and memory on this device can perform predictions at 2 - 3 miles in a matter of seconds all while storing over 100 rifles.

We have also been listening to the community and taking feedback very seriously. That is why this new device has been implemented with features you have been asking for like Sight Scale Factor, and the entire library onboard. You do not need any secondary software to access the bullet library. Everything can be done directly on the device. This device is also a part of the AB Connect System. So FW updates to this device will always contain the latest bullet library.

Expected Release Date - End Of July

Price - 599$

This is just the start of things to come, watch what we do next!

You can find out more our website here: Garmin Fortrex 701 - Applied Ballistics LLC

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Garmin® announces the Foretrex® 601 and
Foretrex® 701 Ballistic Edition for outdoor and tactical use.

OLATHE, Kan. /July 6, 2017/Business Wire — Garmin International Inc., a unit of Garmin Ltd. (NASDAQ: GRMN), today announced the Foretrex 601 and Foretrex 701 Ballistic Edition, its newest wrist-mounted GPS navigators for outdoor and tactical use. The Foretrex 601 and Foretrex 701 Ballistic Edition helps users keep their bearings nearly anywhere in the world thanks to the built-in GPS, GLONASS and Galileo satellite system support.

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In addition to its high-sensitivity GPS, the new Foretrex 701 Ballistic Edition adds Applied Ballistics Elite® software to calculate aiming solutions for long-range shooters. After a dominant showing at this year’s King of 2 Mile shooting competition, where the Foretrex 701 Ballistic Edition with AB Elite software made its first appearance, the advantages were clear. “Handling the various devices required to spot and engage targets with precision rifle fire can be an overwhelming task. Having your AB fire control strapped to your wrist frees up a hand for other tasks, which enables the shooter to execute more efficiently,” said Bryan Litz, champion shooter and Applied Ballistics Chief Ballistician.

The Applied Ballistics Elite® solver includes the entire Applied Ballistics bullet library and allows users to enter a variety of parameters including wind, temperature, humidity, range, and firing direction. It provides the information needed to fire projectiles through Extreme Long Range (ELR) including elevation holdover, windage, velocity and time of flight. The Applied Ballistics® Engine calculates variables such as Horizontal Coriolis Effect, Vertical Coriolis Effect, Spin Drift, Aerodynamic Jump, and more. It also includes the most extensive database of custom drag models for hundreds of bullet types, which are live fire verified in the Applied Ballistics® Lab. When strapped to the wrist, the shooter never has to take their eyes off the downrange target to check their paper DOPE charts, and with the dynamic Range Card feature, the shooter can make quick adjustments based on environmental conditions to dial in the shooting solutions to actual impact points downrange.
“With the Foretrex 601 and Foretrex 701, we were able to pack more features than ever before, including the addition of GLONASS and Galileo support into a very durable, but compact device,” said Dan Bartel, Garmin vice president of global consumer sales. “These Foretrex models help you keep your hands free while you focus on easily navigating the path ahead.”

Explore longer with the Foretrex 601 and 701 thanks to a battery life that exceeds 48 hours in navigation mode, up to one week in UltraTrac™ mode, and up to one month in watch mode (requires 2 AAA batteries, not included). Every bit as tough as they look, these devices are constructed to military standards for thermal, shock and water performance (MIL-STD-810G standard), and are designed to withstand the elements.
These rugged and compact wrist-mounted navigators have a high-resolution 2-inch display and are packed with features such as dual-position format that allows the user to simultaneously show two customizable sets of coordinate systems on one screen. For tactical operations, the display offers NVG mode for compatibility with night vision goggles, and supports the Jumpmaster feature to assist with hitting the Drop Zone.
The units are BLE and ANT compatible, and support external ANT+ sensors such as the Tempe™ temperature sensor, heart rate monitors and cadence/speed sensors. Users can also remotely activate any of Garmin’s VIRB cameras. Foretrex 601 and Foretrex 701 allows for a host of connected features like smart notifications1 that allow the user to receive emails, texts and alerts on the device, plus automatic uploads to Garmin Connect™ and LiveTrack. Compatible with Garmin’s exclusive QuickFit™ 26 bands as well as Nylon straps, it’s easy to customize for any of
your adventures.

These devices are expected to be available in July with a suggested retail price of $249.99 and $599.99 respectively. For more information, visit garmin.com/outdoors and appliedballisticsllc.com.

The Foretrex 601 and Foretrex 701 Ballistic Edition wrist-mounted navigation is the latest solution from Garmin’s expanding outdoor segment, which focuses on developing technologies and innovations to enhance users’ outdoor experiences. Whether hiking, hunting, geocaching, golfing, or using satellite communication, Garmin outdoor devices are becoming essential tools for outdoor enthusiasts of all levels. For more information about Garmin’s other outdoor products and services, go to garmin.com/outdoors.

For decades, Garmin has pioneered new GPS navigation and wireless devices and applications that are designed for people who live an active lifestyle. Garmin serves five primary business units, including automotive, aviation, fitness, marine, and outdoor recreation. For more information, visit Garmin's virtual pressroom at garmin.com/newsroom, contact the Media Relations department at 913-397-8200, or follow us at facebook.com/garmin, twitter.com/garmin, or youtube.com/garmin.
 
I certainly see the value of the device but at the same time, I've got this Kestrel AB device and am tempted by the Sig Kilo AB rangefinder but I also already have a nice Garmin and the Kilo 2000. I could justify selling my gear at a loss but it would actually be easier to justify a weather station/GPS/rangefinder/AB all-in-one in a nice, real compact package.

(But I won't hold my breath.)
 
TripleBull said:
I certainly see the value of the device but at the same time, I've got this Kestrel AB device and am tempted by the Sig Kilo AB rangefinder but I also already have a nice Garmin and the Kilo 2000. I could justify selling my gear at a loss but it would actually be easier to justify a weather station/GPS/rangefinder/AB all-in-one in a nice, real compact package.

(But I won't hold my breath.)
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And don't forget to make it an option that I can have built in to any scope I buy that auto adjusts the reticle.

 
Now waiting for new trade in - trade up program where they offer me 10$ for my old GPS if i buy a new 600$ unit with 250$ of the price going for AB input. Man AB software is sure getting expensive .
 
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I hate you for making this. Now, what's the going rate for a kidney?
DocUSMCRetired how does it get wind data? Can it use the Kestrel LINK Bluetooth?
 
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I may have missed it, does this allow multiple dope solutions to be displayed?
For instance 5 targets from 500-1100 on a single screen.


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more toys , more toys - got to have ....
 
Does this do environmentals (DA, temp, etc)? or do we have to plug in info from our Kestrel?
 
Please keep in mind that this is an early release of information, the product is still a month out. The features are certainly not locked in yet. What I can answer here is:

1) It does not currently talk to a Kestrel or a Kilo (that decision has to be made with the companies coming together).

2) It has its own environmental sensors for Location, Direction, Station Pressure, Temperature (optional), Heart Rate (optional), Virb (optional).....

3) You have Wind 1 and Wind 2 you can input.

This is still highly in the development phase.
 
DocUSMCRetired said:
Please keep in mind that this is an early release of information, the product is still a month out. The features are certainly not locked in yet. What I can answer here is:

1) It does not currently talk to a Kestrel or a Kilo (that decision has to be made with the companies coming together).

2) It has its own environmental sensors for Location, Direction, Station Pressure, Temperature (optional), Heart Rate (optional), Virb (optional).....

3) You have Wind 1 and Wind 2 you can input.

This is still highly in the development phase.
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From what I read, it only has onboard baro. Temp requires an additional item. This is an awesome product. It would be a damn shame if it doesn't end up taking to the the kestrel.
 
If there is a way to get an accurate DA, without having to buy more stuff in addition to the GPS unit, this would be a fantastic option. As someone who is still getting started, running the phone app, trying to slim things down to one or two items versus four.
 
I have the Forextrex 401 (same size as the new ones) and I wonder how this little gadget can be really usable. You know, the little buttons, the menus...all of this is just a PITA. On the other hand, some environmentals are not currently accounted for, plus nor range nor wind. I'll stick with my phone or the Kestrel. They are small, give me the same info plus a lot of many other ballistics info. Just beware of battery usage on the Garmin unit. If the GPS is working, you'll find yourself soon running dry. As far as gadgets go, this one is not really anything special because I don't see any particular potential advantage over what we have now.
 
That is why it is great to options to fit your needs. If a particular shooter can benefit more form the Kestrel than from the Garmin that's perfect. Maybe a particular shooter can benefit more from the Sig Kilo 2400 than from the Garmin or the Kestrel. This is simply another option for those who want it. Many people have been using dry erase wrist bands, this is an electronic device that can replace those. It also serves a huge military role and fills a gap. Replacing the 401 and old devices like the Fenix 2 that were being issued. With this you can carry 1 device that now does all 3 jobs.

This is not a Garmin® Foretrex® 401. This device has a larger display, quick edit function, better battery life, UltraTrac mode (Mine is running 2 weeks on in UltraTrac mode just fine). I am willing to bet a couple batteries in the Garmin will outlast the battery in a cell phone. Turn the GPS on and start using it to navigate while running a ballistic app, see which one dies first. That also doesn't touch on durability. One of the advantages of all 3 devices (Garmin, Kestrel, & Sig) is that they are far more durable than a phone.
 
Garmin Foretrex® 701 with Applied Ballistics® LLC features GPS, GLONASS, & Galileo. It also features WAAS and Ultratrac. But what does all that mean? Today, we answer this question for you.

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GPS – GPS is an acronym for Global Positioning System, which is an array of 32 satellites. When you use a GPS receiver, the known variable is where the satellites are, but not where you are. The satellites essentially use known time (atomic clock) and location which is transmitted to a receiver. The satellites transmit their time and by measuring the offset of the time between the satellites and the receiver you can determine your location.

Galileo – This is similar to GPS, except that it is owned and operated by the European Union and European Space Agency. It was developed to ensure that European Nations do not have to rely on the US (GPS) and Russian (GLONASS) systems.

GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema) – This was developed as a Russian alternative to GPS.

What does this mean in laymans terms? GPS, Galileo, & GLONASS are different systems that perform the same function. Think of it like Chevy, Ford, & Dodge. All of them build trucks, just to slightly different standards. GPS with WAAS is the highest standard of accuracy. By utilizing more than one system at a time (checking your math, as your 3rd grade teacher used to make you do) you can improve the accuracy of your location measurement. But what about WAAS?

WAAS is an acronym for Wide Area Augmentation System. WAAS performs an integrity check on the GPS system, and provides corrections to the individual satellites in 5 second intervals. Essentially, WAAS provides location corrections for the satellites locations to the user, which gives you a higher resolution location measurement by providing the error of each satellites location.

Finally, we come to one last feature in the 701 Foretrex: Ultratrac. Ultratrac is a GPS feature that records fewer points of location. By utilizing the GPS feature less often, you can more than double the battery life of the unit. Use Ultratrac when you really don’t need as accurate position/speed tracking.

What does this mean for a user? The Garmin Foretrex 701 works with every major positioning system in the world, can be coupled with two of them at a time, and offers advanced features to help conserve battery life with maintaining the highest accuracy.


 
Another feature we are ready to release, is the ability to turn off secondary effects, this is a part of the settings. This device can be set in Imperial, Metric, or Mixed (Military) units. You can toggle on/off Aerodynamic Jump, Spin Drift, & Coriolis independently. Turning off Coriolis disables both Vertical and Horizontal.

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Other features will be shared periodically until the release date.
 
Doc, this sure sounds sexy! However I really wish temp was builtin w/o having to add some other device. I can do w/o wind, but w/o temp it seems like I am missing too much for it to be a standalone solution? What would need to be added to get temp, and how did you guys use it at KOTM in regards to supplying temperature?
 
Fred @ Bison Tactical said:
Doc, this sure sounds sexy! However I really wish temp was builtin w/o having to add some other device. I can do w/o wind, but w/o temp it seems like I am missing too much for it to be a standalone solution? What would need to be added to get temp, and how did you guys use it at KOTM in regards to supplying temperature?
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It appears this is the Tempe device for the garmin devices to get temp... Seems kind of like the Drop from Kestrel except this appears to do temp only...
 
It can handle temperature through the Tempe:
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If you look in the first image, you will see a sun shaped symbol. That means it is connected and running off the Tempe. The Tempe runs on the ANT system, and can run for over a year on a battery. While ANT has a very short range, it is also very low battery drain.
 
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Once the Tempe is strapped to the wrist band won't it be renderered useless as it's going to be affected by body temp. I guess if you just transport it there that's fine but It would have to be removed for accurate temps.
 
Conrad said:
Once the Tempe is strapped to the wrist band won't it be renderered useless as it's going to be affected by body temp. I guess if you just transport it there that's fine but It would have to be removed for accurate temps.
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I didn't really have any issues doing that at the KO2M. It could be thermally loaded by direct sunlight. In which case you can strap it to a belt loop, or a back pack, or anywhere you want. All temperatures sensors that are in direct sunlight are negatively influenced. Which is why you shield weather station temp sensors.
 
Hey Doc, will these be available at large retailers like Cabellas or Scheels? When will an actual hard release date be announced?

Basically, will someone please just take my money?
 
Lofty said:
Hey Doc, will these be available at large retailers like Cabellas or Scheels? When will an actual hard release date be announced?

Basically, will someone please just take my money?
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Pretty sure you can preorder direct from a Garmin
 
DocUSMCRetired said:
I didn't really have any issues doing that at the KO2M. It could be thermally loaded by direct sunlight. In which case you can strap it to a belt loop, or a back pack, or anywhere you want. All temperatures sensors that are in direct sunlight are negatively influenced. Which is why you shield weather station temp sensors.
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How many hits did you get at KO2M? Wasn't it zero?
 
Like I said, just curious. I have never shot past a mile, so those distances seem almost surreal.
 
Garmin® Foretrex® 701 Environmental Data:

The GF701 includes onboard sensors for environmental information when calculating ballistic firing solutions, and includes the capability to connect to external sensors that use the Garmin ANT+ network. Note that each of the following parameters can be adjusted manually in the appropriate menu.

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Ambient Pressure (Station Pressure) - The GF701 has on board pressure sensors. Specifically, it measures Station Pressure, which is used as part of the Environment inputs when calculating a firing solution.

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Temperature (optional external sensor) - The GF701 can connect with devices inside the ANT+ network. One of those devices is the Tempe sensor which reports temperature. The Tempe can run for over 1 year on a single battery, and is small enough to clip on the watch band or belt loop without being obtrusive. *

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Latitude - The GF701 uses its onboard GPS system to populate the Latitude as part of the Environment inputs.

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Wind 1 & 2 - The GF701 has 2 wind inputs, which must be manually entered. Wind 1 is coupled with Aerodynamic Jump (AJ can be toggled on/off).

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The Foretrex communicates to external sensors using Garmin's ANT+ protocols. The Kestrel utilizes Bluetooth Low Energy to communicate with external devices. Unfortunately, the two protocols are not compatible.

* https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/107335






 
One of the most common feature questions about the Garmin® Foretrex® is whether it is equipped with a Databoard™, which is essentially a custom range card on your wrist. The answer is yes, and Databoard™ presents you with 2 pages of 5 targets each. The device itself stores up to 10 individual targets, which can be given unique names and programmed for any range desired. Each target has its own storage slot and does not get ordered by range like in a range card.

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By pressing page up or down you flip 5 targets at a time, allowing you quickly see your firing solution for each target. You also have a "quick edit" feature which allows you to scroll from target to target on the Databoard™, select any target, and edit its characteristics.

This feature will enable Competition Shooters, Military, and Law Enforcement to have the information they need rapidly and always on display at their wrist.

You can watch the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvYegmSXbg

 
So it can store 10 targets? How long does it take to load a set of targets without a keyboard?

It would be awesome to be able to load and name stages, with however many targets there are for each stage.

At big matches you usually get a match book the night before with all target distances listed with the stage description. It would be awesome if the night before you could load all the stages in the unit with the individual ranges for each target within the stage.

That way next morning, you get assigned your starting stage, you pull it up in the unit, update your weather data and bingo, there's every target for that stage and their firing solutions.

It would be really cool if after the stage you could plug in your score for review later.


Just thinking out loud.
 
This device (at least the older ones) are great if your using a physical map and want to know exactly what your current coordinates are. You can plot them on the map and know where you are. It keeps your track, and will show you stats about your travel like moving average speed, elevation gain, current elevation and current coordinates. Its not a mapping unit like most others your used to, but its very light weight and fits on your wrist (though its large). It uses easily found batteries and it a great unit if you don't need to see a map.
 
Pretty slick based on the second video.

I'm still trying to figure out all these various devices and what I want to carry. I've currently got a Leica 1600b, Kestrel Elite with a weather vane, Kestrel Link, Strelok Pro and what seems like a 100 other things. I've got a Kilo 2400 ABS on order as well as a Busnell ConX. I'd really love to carry one or two things in the field at the most. With this Foretrex I'd have to enter wind and range. With the Kilo I just have to enter wind. With the Kilo you need to pay attention to the temperature sensor and keep it in a place without your body heat influencing it. I've used the Tempe for a couple years and never found a great place to keep that out of the sun or away from my body heat. I'm guessing either the Kilo or Tempe is going to be close enough, though.

I don't compete but want something for targets out to 1500 'ish at the range and for hunting out here in the west. Choices are great but confusing!
 
parshal said:
Pretty slick based on the second video.

I'm still trying to figure out all these various devices and what I want to carry. I've currently got a Leica 1600b, Kestrel Elite with a weather vane, Kestrel Link, Strelok Pro and what seems like a 100 other things. I've got a Kilo 2400 ABS on order as well as a Busnell ConX. I'd really love to carry one or two things in the field at the most. With this Foretrex I'd have to enter wind and range. With the Kilo I just have to enter wind. With the Kilo you need to pay attention to the temperature sensor and keep it in a place without your body heat influencing it. I've used the Tempe for a couple years and never found a great place to keep that out of the sun or away from my body heat. I'm guessing either the Kilo or Tempe is going to be close enough, though.

I don't compete but want something for targets out to 1500 'ish at the range and for hunting out here in the west. Choices are great but confusing!
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The easiest way, is to go down the feature list. The one that has the most features that you need, is the one you should run. I would of course not mind if everyone used all 3! But in reality, each one fills a different role/purpose. Any device the reads temperature, including a weather station, is subject to thermal loading. This is why they use shielded motorized temperature sensors on official weather stations. If your temp sensor is within 5 degrees of actual temperature, then you have less than 1% error in your firing solution.
 
I'm sure sometime soon the Kilo 2400 ABS will pair up with this Garmin or Kestrel (or another similar product) so everything is right there on your wrist. I like the idea of the ConX but wish it would give read longer distances for animals. I really like the idea of a range card on my wrist that can be easily changed.

I guess I'll just have to get better at reading wind if I don't have a wind meter with me.
 
Lofty said:
Hey Doc, will these be available at large retailers like Cabellas or Scheels? When will an actual hard release date be announced?

Basically, will someone please just take my money?
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They will be available by all major Garmin carriers is my understanding. I am hoping to get a pre-order date of some kind in the near future, but if anything else they should be on the shelves by August 18th +/-.
 
DocUSMCRetired said:
Please keep in mind that this is an early release of information, the product is still a month out. The features are certainly not locked in yet. What I can answer here is:

1) It does not currently talk to a Kestrel or a Kilo (that decision has to be made with the companies coming together).

2) It has its own environmental sensors for Location, Direction, Station Pressure, Temperature (optional), Heart Rate (optional), Virb (optional).....

3) You have Wind 1 and Wind 2 you can input.

This is still highly in the development phase.
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Doc,....This is a very interesting spin on a portable ballistic solution. Please dont forget the military end user when thinking of just what the unit will talk to ( Kestrel/Vector/DAGR etc). Forecast pricepoint is also a steal if it works straight out the gate without expensive paid for software upgrades.
 
Is it possible to range a target with the GPS if you go point A to point B with it ?
 
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