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Recent vile events show clearly we are being played and manipulated on a mass scale

#51
You are brainwashed, the Constitution says there should be very little Federal government at all, try reading it, its short and in plain English, you need a third grade education to understand it and a law degree to try to undermine it.

And why would there be no USA? Or Constitution, The biggest threat to the USA and the Constitution is the Federal Government.

Why would you think that I think spending money on Japan or Germany was a good idea?

CJS-6.5 said:
You are funny guy and I agree with some of what you say. I am pissed off that I work 100 hours a week to pay Bill's, taxes, and lasy peoples wage. However without government there would be no USA no constitution . No history of good deeds. No rebuilding of Germany and Japan after Ww2. No good example.
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308pirate said:
No shit Sherlock

And not one of them was based on people's income. What about that don't you get.
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Let's recap this conversation.

I have not advocated for a federal income tax. In fact, I proposed a tax based on consumption.

You want to argue with me over my support of an income tax even though I've expressed no support for such.

Are you trolling or just an idiot?
 
#53
ArmyJerry said:
Well, i dont want them ending antidfa as teh power they would use to do it is mostly unconstitutional and you would fall intl the safety at all cost traps they use to undermine our freedoms and our Constitution.

I would leave it up to the property owners and individuals that are attacked to deal with the threat direct without fear of prosecution,
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Even a little relief on the prosecution front would have a dramatic impact.
 
#55
MtnCreek said:
Let's recap this conversation.

I have not advocated for a federal income tax. In fact, I proposed a tax based on consumption.

You want to argue with me over my support of an income tax even though I've expressed no support for such.

Are you trolling or just an idiot?
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Go back and find out how the federal government financed itself prior to 1913 then get back to me
 
#57
ArmyJerry said:
Federal revenue did not come from inside the country but through tariffs and other activities outside the country. They spent very little at the Federal level except for the revolution and civil war. then teh progressives got us involved in Europe and enslaved us through unconstitutional taxes.
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One of the first federal taxes was on domestically produced whiskey.
 
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CJS-6.5 said:
You are funny guy and I agree with some of what you say. I am pissed off that I work 100 hours a week to pay Bill's, taxes, and lasy peoples wage. However without government there would be no USA no constitution . No history of good deeds. No rebuilding of Germany and Japan after Ww2. No good example.
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The US should have NEVER spent a single dollar to rebuild Germany or Japan. That was an example of stupidity.
 
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Mwalex said:
The US should have NEVER spent a single dollar to rebuild Germany or Japan. That was an example of stupidity.
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I think the US had aspirations of establishing the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency immediately after WW2 since the British Pound was wrecked from the war. What better way to do it than to put it to work all over the globe? We should have kept the US Dollar to ourselves and kept it backed by gold.
 
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gigamortis said:
I think the US had aspirations of establishing the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency immediately after WW2 since the British Pound was wrecked from the war. What better way to do it than to put it to work all over the globe? We should have kept the US Dollar to ourselves and kept it backed by gold.
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If that was the objective okay but I still disagree. The US dollar would have been used as the reserve current eventually due to the global presence of the US. Rebuilding Germany and Japan after the war was the same as winning a law suit and then paying the other persons legal fees. It also allowed Germany and Japan to become global economic powers much quicker than if they had to rebuild their own countries. Not enough negative reinforcement for the war. You could say that rebuilding both countries led to them being good allies now, then it might be worth it.
 
#66
1.) The Democrats and the left aren't smart enough to mastermind the kinds of large news events of the last month. They're barely smart enough to even understand them.
2.) More importantly, it would require the complicity and operational security of too many people. One person can keep a secret. Tell someone and it's not a secret anymore.
3.) While the media is fully manipulated and a plurality is little more than leftist propaganda organs, they are not directly controlled, and if they found out how badly they're being manipulated they would turn on the identified manipulator in an instant. Even a compliant media is still playing with fire especially in this day and age where a good 60% of it is just an echo chamber.
4.) Most of the time things are as they appear. Who believed in Trump/Russia collusion from the get go? It certainly appeared at the very beginning to be a manufactured coup attempt, and so it is.
 
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The early founding fathers realized a great way to raise "tax" money and have everybody happy was to have a lottery.
Much like so many states these days rely on for filling their budget.
Perhaps the federal government could do the same once again?
 
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Fig said:
1.) The Democrats and the left aren't smart enough to mastermind the kinds of large news events of the last month. They're barely smart enough to even understand them.
2.) More importantly, it would require the complicity and operational security of too many people. One person can keep a secret. Tell someone and it's not a secret anymore.
3.) While the media is fully manipulated and a plurality is little more than leftist propaganda organs, they are not directly controlled, and if they found out how badly they're being manipulated they would turn on the identified manipulator in an instant. Even a compliant media is still playing with fire especially in this day and age where a good 60% of it is just an echo chamber.
4.) Most of the time things are as they appear. Who believed in Trump/Russia collusion from the get go? It certainly appeared at the very beginning to be a manufactured coup attempt, and so it is.
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.mil being able to keep secrets leads me to believe .gov tyrants can keep secrets
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
The early founding fathers realized a great way to raise "tax" money and have everybody happy was to have a lottery.
Much like so many states these days rely on for filling their budget.
Perhaps the federal government could do the same once again?
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We could get rid of the IRS with a national lottery. Just think of how many people that would gladly stand in line just to give the feds a portion of their income just for the perceived chance of hitting it big. Those of us that are wise to the power of math and statistics would be free to save as much as we wanted.
 
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gigamortis said:
We could get rid of the IRS with a national lottery. Just think of how many people that would gladly stand in line just to give the feds a portion of their income just for the perceived chance of hitting it big. Those of us that are wise to the power of math and statistics would be free to save as much as we wanted.
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The gambling-friendly paying for our roads and infrastructure? (typically low-income)

Say it ain't so.

"Today's NATIONAL LOTTERY MEGABILLIONS - 715 billion dollars! Richer than bill gates over night! GET YOUR TIX NOW!"
 
#73
ArmyJerry said:
You are brainwashed, the Constitution says there should be very little Federal government at all, try reading it, its short and in plain English, you need a third grade education to understand it and a law degree to try to undermine it.

And why would there be no USA? Or Constitution, The biggest threat to the USA and the Constitution is the Federal Government.

Why would you think that I think spending money on Japan or Germany was a good idea?
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Why are we the country that people are trying to come to? Why does the letters USA spell freedom to the weak, poor, and afflicted? Whatever our government is the principles it stand for still stand in the global sense. I know the average US citizen is disgruntled...but think past your own small problems to mankind in general. We have it so good here. So many rights, so many freedoms, we are allowed to live even. Think of the countries where genocide is common. No rights. Not even the right to live. Why not come in aid of the weak so that when the weak, fat, lazy, citizens of the country that rules the world has backup from grateful allies? Of course it is hard for some to see the big picture when they are the only one in it.
 
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CJS-6.5 said:
Why are we the country that people are trying to come to? Why does the letters USA spell freedom to the weak, poor, and afflicted? Whatever our government is the principles it stand for still stand in the global sense. I know the average US citizen is disgruntled...but think past your own small problems to mankind in general. We have it so good here. So many rights, so many freedoms, we are allowed to live even. Think of the countries where genocide is common. No rights. Not even the right to live. Why not come in aid of the weak so that when the weak, fat, lazy, citizens of the country that rules the world has backup from grateful allies? Of course it is hard for some to see the big picture when they are the only one in it.
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So we invite with open arms so we can become a third world country too? It's hard for many to see the big picture.
 
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308pirate said:
Wrong. You got it backwards.

I can't believe someone can be either so clueless or so gullible
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What would America be today without government? I leave it to you. See there is persons capable of looking outside their own circumstances to see that the good of all is taken into mind. Are you in a cell unjustly? Starved? Beaten? Family taken away? No rights? Or maybe it's just some taxes because you were free to make money. Isn't that terrible...My comment was about external government not internal. But if you want I can make you look like a bigger ass on that subject. Please let me know...its a right we have here...
 
#76
I totally am against illegal immigration. I am only responding to the attacks about our government as a whole been no good. Without it we would be with the wolves.
 
#77
Globally we are known to stand up for the weak. That is not a bad principle but I draw the line at the enemy using that against us. Which they are trying to do now.
 
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#79
Human kindness and decency are a staple of America. Let's not let bitterness against a few stupid politicians destroy that. At the same time load up and be prepared. In business we smile, agree, but verify. It doesn't cost anything to be nice but firm.
 
#81
Sieg said:
The weak did not create this movement, they were falsely inspired and financed. They are not immigrants or illegal immigrants, they are an unidentifiable invaisionary force...….. IMO.
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They are a tool. Like so many other groups that have been sacrificed to achieve a political agenda.
 
#83
CJS-6.5 said:
They are a tool. Like so many other groups that have been sacrificed to achieve a political agenda.
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Our governments obligation is to it's people first. Based on the homeless by choice issues in LA, San Fran, Portland, Seattle and elsewhere the government cannot take care of their own at the taxpayers expense and compromised safety. A stand needs to be taken and it's about damn time.
 
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I agree in principle. There is such that are a product of their times. However I believe that in the main these so called refugees are acting in their own volition even if spurred on by others. Of course they want to come to the land of the free and home of the brave. How much persuading needed to be done? Everyone knows that America is the best.
 
#85
Those that are born here and are draining society piss me off the most. Why should I have to pay your way because you burnt yourself out in high school or college? I will gladly pay for military and veterans just not no good bums that weaken us as a nation and can only get a job as a politician.
 
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CJS-6.5 said:
What would America be today without government? I leave it to you. See there is persons capable of looking outside their own circumstances to see that the good of all is taken into mind. Are you in a cell unjustly? Starved? Beaten? Family taken away? No rights? Or maybe it's just some taxes because you were free to make money. Isn't that terrible...My comment was about external government not internal. But if you want I can make you look like a bigger ass on that subject. Please let me know...its a right we have here...
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External government? Internal government?

Only a simpleton breaks it down that way. Off to ignore you go.
 
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308pirate said:
External government? Internal government?

Only a simpleton breaks it down that way. Off to ignore you go.
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Why did you reply then? What is Homeland security vs the navy or airforce? No difference? You don't have to do the research and learning to see it my way. Ignore is the root word for ignorance. Keep it up though...
 
#90
Also if they had had homeland the fur trappers would have had to kill less people themselves, and maybe the Alamo wouldn't have been the Alamo. But it is sure fun to have an exciting history.
 
#93
ArmyJerry said:
how about utting th egenie back in its constitutional bottle, no fucking income tax at all, no tax at all, we are now tax slaves.
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Yes. On our own we can repel world powers and keep peace in our nation. Its working so great for others that they want to come here and suffer.
 
#95
ArmyJerry said:
they have very few legitimate duties that require money and taxing people is not the only way they can and did get money for the first 150 years of our republic. They use taxes as a weapon of control because that are that fucking evil, its not constitutional.
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If you are so constitutional there is a way around taxes. It's called charitable giving. Which by the way was one of the constitutional principles. Taxes are the strong coming in the aid of the weak. You chose what you are...
 
#98
ArmyJerry said:
you are a communist, commies that meet me end up Bulgered
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If you are the sh version of Chuck Norris then by all means I would like to rassle with you...as far as the commie comment I understand that that's all you can come up with and don't hold it against you. Kindergarten is tough. Have a good night with Pokemon and the fidget spinners.
 
#99
AJ CJS is having profound revelations. If you inject a bit of reality into those revelations it can be dangerous for her. Its best to let her have her fantasy's.

P.S. If you tell her you are Chuck Norris I think she's gonna wanna do you. :)
 
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CJS-6.5 said:
If you are so constitutional there is a way around taxes. It's called charitable giving. Which by the way was one of the constitutional principles. Taxes are the strong coming in the aid of the weak. You chose what you are...
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If you are forced to be "charitable" is it really charity?

R
 
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