Coward county sheriff making more excuses

[Deleted member 10043]

Because once they go into a building with a active killer inside shooting innocent people and a firefight ensues there may be cases were cop bullets are found in the dead and wounded just in the nature of any fight in close quarters in like situations in combat. They need to have reasonable immunity no different than combat soldiers. It is combat. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The leading policy in most departments is to leave the dead and dying alone and go straight to the threat and attempt to eliminate it. Even if that means going alone with no support. There is always the reasonable likelihood that some innocent people will get caught in the crossfire at the cost of less overall carnage. So, do you want the police going in and eliminating the threat in a confused and volatile situation or do you want them to wait outside until union lawyers give the thumbs up? All this does is give the mass killer a moral and mechanical advantage. Does anybody even know what moral and mechanical surprise attacks are? What some of you would like to see is the mass killer taking advantage of both. It is ass backwards.

 

[ArmyJerry]

nope, no more skirting the law than they already do. The two tiered system you all operate under is destroying public trust and will end up destroying you all.

Too many of them think themselves and fancy themselves combat soldiers then sit outside eating donuts while a massacre happens. Cops dont need immunity from the law they need something else, balls. How about just not answering calls if you are that petrified.

 

[candyx]

Broward County was run by a Coward so every officer under him would of been or learned from him to be coward.Writing parking tickets is not the same as entering a forward area where some one has a gun.He was only brave enough to berate the woman from the NRA , he was not brave enough to enter a building with a gun to take down a child with a gun.He had no business being a cop or in charge of other Police Officers.I have never been trained in combat but give me the gear and I would enter the school which you are afraid to enter.Thats the option we have a few parents who are willing to do the job that local Police do not want to do.All towns should have a plan for when this happens so they are properly prepared , you need people to rush the shooter thats the only way to stop them.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Now you are not making any sense and stereotyping law enforcement. What you are suggesting will guarantee more loss of innocent lives. You don't want them outside listening to the shots being fired and at the same time making it a legal question if they do react to save lives. That will stall long enough for additional loss of life no different than the opposite collateral casualties only your idea gives the mass killer the strategic as well as tactical high ground in his planning and execution. Your philosophy is castrating law enforcement and expecting them to show more balls but in their hands and not where it counts.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well you are the one looking for two sets of laws, you are stereotyping police I am just responding to you, if cops cant operate under the same laws that govern the rest of the citizens then they are doing something wrong. Cops can be the subject to prosecutorial discretion just like civilians. They should be right now but they seem to get a whole separate set of laws that gets them off with outright murder in some cases.

Now if you are saying that civilians should be able to run in gunning down perps without fear of retribution as well as cops I think I would be okay with that, you know, equal protection under the law and all.

 

[308pirate]

You want them to rush in and eliminate the threat and hold them accountable. You people are not thinking this through. The officer is no good dead if he has to take a bullet by the killer because of some political ROE.

Some political ROE? Is that what you call blanket immunity to murder anyone just because?

QFT:

The police need to be immune when they enter to stop the threat. They don't go in with complete disregard for the victims but shit may happen and the police need to be duly protected and the public informed as such.

 

[308pirate]

Now you are not making any sense and stereotyping law enforcement. What you are suggesting will guarantee more loss of innocent lives. You don't want them outside listening to the shots being fired and at the same time making it a legal question if they do react to save lives. That will stall long enough for additional loss of life no different than the opposite collateral casualties only your idea gives the mass killer the strategic as well as tactical high ground in his planning and execution. Your philosophy is castrating law enforcement and expecting them to show more balls but in their hands and not where it counts.

What kind of a fantasy world does your mind operate in?

Jesus Holy Christ on a cracker......I've never read some many non-sequiturs and logical fallacies all in one short span of text

 

[Deleted member 10043]

If a citizen is armed and goes into a mass killer confrontation I expect that citizen to be afforded the same immunity as the police. Yes. The situation is one of high alert and action. The citizen also needs to realize he has put his own safety in double jeopardy and should be on high alert of the police coming in behind him with no Intel and needs to be conscious of the fact he can be shot and the police have reasonable immunity. Like I've mentioned a mass killer situation acted upon quickly is highly confusing and violent. Shit will happen in order to stop the killing and abnormal risks are taken that may have consequences as a means to an end.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

That is because you are a fanatic, Pirate.

 

[ArmyJerry]

In Florida the citien and cop is already protected/ Most states are the same. No more separate and unequal laws, its gong to cause a civil war.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Pirate is not a fanatic, that cop in Mesa that executed that guy in the hallway and got off Scott free is the way a lot of people view cops and their Teflon coatings these days. Fair or not that is the way it is.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Maybe he just fucking bitches too much. Fanatic was a little harsh. Benefit of the doubt and all.

 

[ArmyJerry]

hahahah its his right ,,right?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

As for citizens I don't recommend getting into a gun fight unless it is your fight for the same reasons of lack of immunity.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well, as a old soldier I dont give a fuck about lawyers, or cops for that matter, when I see people getting hurt I will do what needs doing, if all cops feel this way we need to disarm them and get rid of them as they are a bigger threat than all the mass shooters combined by far.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Cops have a duty to get into a reasonable fight that is not their fight to begin with. A citizen can decide their own definition on what is their fight. The only reasonable fight for a citizen is to shoot until the threat is eliminated and it has to be in defense. The only example of a citizen going on the offense is extreme examples of helping law enforcement.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Bullshit, in Florida and many states you can go on offense to stop people from being seriously harmed, and you can stand your ground. Police have nothing special other than they get away with bad shoots more than citizens do.

 

[ArmyJerry]

You really should study the law so you dont end up in a gun fight with a good guy.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Fact of life, Law enforcement is under to obligation to protect and defend anyone, much less children at a school. The Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that cops do not have to help you, they just have to try and help the community in general.

In Broward county, the sheriffs department is more concerned with being a model of leftist policing. This means hiring the sick,lame and lazy. Hiring muslims who have a vested interest in watching non-muslims die in mass shootings. They hire and promote women based on gender, not qualifications or skills. And when it comes time to arrest criminals, they would rather "divert" them into non-prosecution programs that allow them to roam the streets until they finally murder someone.

They interacted with Nicolas Cruz between 50 and 100 times and failed to arrest him time and time again. They ignored every tip and sign of this guys instability for years. In the end, the FBI utterly ignored an exact tip that included everything but the exact time he would start killing, their excuse was they could not find him. Apparently, the FBI does not have Google.

If this happened again in Broward county,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they would respond the exact same way. Nothing has changed or will change with communists running the show. It is more important to create a disaster to push their anti-gun agenda than it is to save lives.

 

[Longshot231]

Cops have a duty to get into a reasonable fight that is not their fight to begin with. A citizen can decide their own definition on what is their fight. The only reasonable fight for a citizen is to shoot until the threat is eliminated and it has to be in defense. The only example of a citizen going on the offense is extreme examples of helping law enforcement.

I think that depends, to some extent, on your perspective.

Let's take a mass shooting event at a shopping mall, for example.

If I were going in the entrance and heard gun fire I would not enter the premises. As much as I would like to help out and stop a murderer I am not going in. This sounds cowardly and cruel but I won't go in for two reasons.

1) It's not my fault that some innocent people have chosen NOT to arm themselves or get a CCW. Adults need to take responsibility for their personal safety as they would maintain their safety devices on an automobile or keep a fire extinguisher in their home, Personal protection and safety are not any different.

2) I don't fear confronting a bad guy with a gun as much as I do an incompetent or ill-informed cop with an itchy trigger finger. We don't need to look any farther than the numerous stories of CCW holders shot by the cops. IMHO a citizen who is attempting to stop an active shooter with a firearm is taking on double the risk of getting shot; once by the bad guy and secondly by the cops.

Like I said, I'm not going into an area where there is shooting taking place cause I fear getting shot by the cops more than risking my life for others to confront the bad guy with a gun.

Now let's take the same example of a shooting in a shopping mall and add a twist to the scenario.

Let's say I have just dropped off a loved one at the entrance to the mall. I let them out of the car and tell them that I will meet them inside after I park the car.

The car is parked and I walk to the entrance of the mall. My loved one is not in sight. As the door opens, I hear gun fire.

You see how the perspective has changed. My loved one is in the mall. They are the one that has priority over anyone else in the mall. So, naturally, I will go in and attempt to get the loved one to a safe area and kill the bad guy if he/she gets in my way or becomes a target of opportunity.

I'm pretty sure that everyone reading this would take the same risk for saving a loved one. Absent that, it's not worth being a hero only to end up getting shot by a cop.

As a whole, law enforcement training needs to change. They need to learn that not everyone with a gun is a bad guy.

 

[ArmyJerry]

FIFY the first sentence for you I think this was your intent.

The way you describe broward can be said for every department over 3 cops in this country, which brings me back to my earlier post, why do we have cops other than to shake down citizens on belhalf of the democrat and repub parties and to support their own game they call justice?

Fact of life, Law enforcement is under NO obligation to protect and defend anyone, much less children at a school. The Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that cops do not have to help you, they just have to try and help the community in general.

In Broward county, the sheriffs department is more concerned with being a model of leftist policing. This means hiring the sick,lame and lazy. Hiring muslims who have a vested interest in watching non-muslims die in mass shootings. They hire and promote women based on gender, not qualifications or skills. And when it comes time to arrest criminals, they would rather "divert" them into non-prosecution programs that allow them to roam the streets until they finally murder someone.

They interacted with Nicolas Cruz between 50 and 100 times and failed to arrest him time and time again. They ignored every tip and sign of this guys instability for years. In the end, the FBI utterly ignored an exact tip that included everything but the exact time he would start killing, their excuse was they could not find him. Apparently, the FBI does not have Google.

If this happened again in Broward county,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they would respond the exact same way. Nothing has changed or will change with communists running the show. It is more important to create a disaster to push their anti-gun agenda than it is to save lives.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Bullshit, in Florida and many states you can go on offense to stop people from being seriously harmed, and you can stand your ground. Police have nothing special other than they get away with bad shoots more than citizens do.

Both example relate to defending yourself or others a result of somebody else on the offense.

 

[ArmyJerry]

exactly

Both example relate to defending yourself or others a result of somebody else on the offense.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Lonhshot, it may be a cop that doesn't know you are not the bad guy. Doesn't mean the cop is incompetent. I agree with your plan. It needs to be your fight to accept the risk.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

exactly

Then you know the definition of tactical defense is stand your ground.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I know hat when I see somebody getting shot for no good reason I will be shooting the guy doing the shooting, you can call it what the hell you want. I just dont care. I do care more about the cowardice shown by the police and sheriffs office. Why do we have cops other than reasons I posted above? I do care more about seperate and unequal justice in thsi country, I do care about thugs in blue acting in a manner that put s them above the law and getting special treatment. They are a disgrace to officers like Singh in Cali.

The more you quibble the more I am convinced we dont need armed agents of the two parties anymore, take their guns away.

 

[Strykervet]

I mentioned this way back when... Everytime a mass shooting happens, they all show up, 100's, and block all the roads, stand around and talk, show off their newest gear, and spend a good half hour or more dressing up in their cammies and shit.

ALL shit they don't need.

They need a goddamn rifle and a plate carrier with mags and a bleedout kit. Possibly a helmet, if it's 3A. Maybe a couple other goodies. That's IT. They aren't in the army. They aren't invading a goddamn country. They're FAR superior in numbers and far outgun any suspect, they have training and sometimes in the very school they're responding to, yet these shootings are just a gathering for them go gear queer on national television. And 100+ cops showing up just doesn't help. It doesn't. It leaves the rest of the city or county without first responders. It causes too much confusion with that many people showing up. But nobody turns around, no, they get out and mill about. WTF? But they don't work for us anymore. They work for the people that have a vested interest in disarming us because they're afraid we'll get tired of their shit and reboot the system.

I guess if I were a parent, it'd have been incumbent on me to save my child's life. I'm sure though the cops would be willing to stop, kill if necessary, any parent willing to go in and stop the shooter. Because it's really all about total control, isn't it? I've seen that before. Cops show up to save some guy only to kill him because he refused to their follow orders. Then not held accountable. Covered for by his brothers. All on film, up until the shooting when they turned the camera off. Then they wonder why they all get painted with the same brush.

FWIW, I wrote my congressman and senators and explained to them a cost effective way to stop or greatly reduce school shootings. I told them if I can protect billions in diamonds without turning the place into a prison, then I can protect a school. I offered services for free after Sandy Hook. I laid out all my credentials, sources and contacts/references. All they did was send me back a letter thanking me for supporting their fucking gun ban proposals! It's a lost cause. They just don't work for us nor do they respect us. So it's obvious these mass shootings are being used by DNC to further gun bans. That's the sole purpose and they made it clear to me when I took the time to write 'em.

It's not hard to secure these schools and it can be done for a decent price if carried out properly. If we had a government that worked for us instead of against us.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I keep getting responses related to deep seeded hatred toward law enforcement in general. I may feel the same way but announcing it would only show bias and would limit my responses as such. Like it or not we live in a society of law and order. Just taking the necessary precautions without limiting your freedom will reduce your chances of getting into an armed fight to a minimum. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[Longshot231]

All on film, up until the shooting when they turned the camera off.

For some dumbass reason the deputies were ordered to turn their body cameras off at the Las Vegas shooting.

Be sure to watch the video in the article...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...ed-off-body-cameras-after-las-vegas-shooting/

At least the Deputy in this story admitted that he froze. Now it’s time for him to find a new job. Also be sure to watch the video...

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...in-hallway-during-las-vegas-shooting-1418248/

 

[deersniper]

Or instead of arguing about cops/non cops taking down active shooters or liability we could I don't know
LET THE TEACHERS CARRY?
And not publicize any school shooters identity?
There would be no more school shootings or they would be very short.

Letting women vote leads to decisions being made by emotion instead of reason then we get things like "omg more guns is not the answer wtf is wrong with you"
That sheriff would never have been in that position without the emotion driven voter base.

 

[deersniper]

I mentioned this way back when... Everytime a mass shooting happens, they all show up, 100's, and block all the roads, stand around and talk, show off their newest gear, and spend a good half hour or more dressing up in their cammies and shit.

ALL shit they don't need.

They need a goddamn rifle and a plate carrier with mags and a bleedout kit. Possibly a helmet, if it's 3A. Maybe a couple other goodies. That's IT. They aren't in the army. They aren't invading a goddamn country. They're FAR superior in numbers and far outgun any suspect, they have training and sometimes in the very school they're responding to, yet these shootings are just a gathering for them go gear queer on national television. And 100+ cops showing up just doesn't help. It doesn't. It leaves the rest of the city or county without first responders. It causes too much confusion with that many people showing up. But nobody turns around, no, they get out and mill about. WTF? But they don't work for us anymore. They work for the people that have a vested interest in disarming us because they're afraid we'll get tired of their shit and reboot the system.

I guess if I were a parent, it'd have been incumbent on me to save my child's life. I'm sure though the cops would be willing to stop, kill if necessary, any parent willing to go in and stop the shooter. Because it's really all about total control, isn't it? I've seen that before. Cops show up to save some guy only to kill him because he refused to their follow orders. Then not held accountable. Covered for by his brothers. All on film, up until the shooting when they turned the camera off. Then they wonder why they all get painted with the same brush.

FWIW, I wrote my congressman and senators and explained to them a cost effective way to stop or greatly reduce school shootings. I told them if I can protect billions in diamonds without turning the place into a prison, then I can protect a school. I offered services for free after Sandy Hook. I laid out all my credentials, sources and contacts/references. All they did was send me back a letter thanking me for supporting their fucking gun ban proposals! It's a lost cause. They just don't work for us nor do they respect us. So it's obvious these mass shootings are being used by DNC to further gun bans. That's the sole purpose and they made it clear to me when I took the time to write 'em.

It's not hard to secure these schools and it can be done for a decent price if carried out properly. If we had a government that worked for us instead of against us.

Quote because that's worth reading again.

 

[ArmyJerry]

if we lived in a society of law and order Hilary Clintons corpse would still be hanging one the mall for treason. Dont let those words pass yout one tooth mouth again.

FIFY

I keep getting responses related to deep seeded hatred toward law enforcement in general. I may feel the same way but announcing it would only show bias and would limit my responses as such. Like it or not we USE TO live in a society of law and order. Just taking the necessary precautions without limiting your freedom will reduce your chances of getting into an armed fight to a minimum. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[ArmyJerry]

we are not debating cops vs non cops, we are debating wether cops need more special laws and should be held to a lower standard than a citizen. Which stemmed from teh excuse making for cowardice coming out of Broward and to be honest every mass shooting I can remember. Not once has a cop attacked a mass shooter and stopped them in my memory. Being the heros they are this astounds me, and supports my point that they should be disarmed and let go to save money.

Or instead of arguing about cops/non cops taking down active shooters or liability we could I don't know
LET THE TEACHERS CARRY?
And not publicize any school shooters identity?
There would be no more school shootings or they would be very short.

Letting women vote leads to decisions being made by emotion instead of reason then we get things like "omg more guns is not the answer wtf is wrong with you"
That sheriff would never have been in that position without the emotion driven voter base.

 

[j-huskey]

Or instead of arguing about cops/non cops taking down active shooters or liability we could I don't know
LET THE TEACHERS CARRY?
And not publicize any school shooters identity?
There would be no more school shootings or they would be very short.

A+

And, the media wouldn't get the propaganda showcase for a month or so to stir up gun haters and push anti gun agenda. That emotion thing.

Teacher stops school shooter... to demonize the gun, the media would have to headline "teacher shoots poor little misunderstood Bobby while Bobby shot other students" and that wouldn't travel well, but, it is the level the media and antigun crew would stoop to.

It's worked well on the citizen shoots the misunderstood crackhead burglar... et al..

 

[Milo 2.5]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought a court determined that the deputy had no duty to charge in and defend anyone on site. If that is the case, why do citizens have to pay taxes to support the entity and why does the state have an exclusive on legal 'force'?

What an interesting perspective. I hate to even open my mouth on crap like this, but I don't know how a grown man could live with himself letting kids get killed and not trying something.

 

[j-huskey]

we are not debating cops vs non cops,

Somebody here is...

And somebody is debating something else, there are a few view points being posited.

Bottom line is there was a massive LE failure, the sheriff is a political piece of shit, and the LE entity responsible for that specific failure is not giving us any hope that LE there is on our side. And that adds to the lefts agenda to divide and destroy.

 

[pmclaine]

First of all people get the police force that they deserve for the most part.

Voting matters. Vote in the politician that says they want "sanctuary" etc you get police in that mold. They are an arm/reflection of the executive branch elected.

Even in a pro police environment training is going to be hindered by budgets. Cops are not well trained for out of the ordinary events.

The only value a cop has over the average citizen is volunteering or a desire to do the job. Not a lot of others can do it and for some that can do it they dont want to do it.

Just about any IPSC shooter is more capable with a handgun than your average cop but they dont like the thought of being in a situation where the IPSC is full size and fires back. Neither do cops by the way but apparently they can rationalize that risk.

Mil guys would have the personality to do the work but many dont want to and they have valid reasons, maybe some dont like the idea of policing fellow citizens or they dont like the idea of that "authority" aspect.

So we get cops that may not be well trained, they may not be as good as an enthusiast shooter (though the myth is that they are) and they dont represent society because they do something it seems the majority choose not to.

Should we have a cop draft to get a better representation of the people?

I think all that would do is provide the least common denominator cop same as it does in a drafted military unless harsh standards are enforced. I see value of that in the military as than everyone would have skin in the game. Rather than give every citizen power to lord of his fellow citizen though we keep a stringent selection process to try and weed out the unfit or abusive in policing.

In a lot of places cops get treated great and its a pleasure to do the job even if difficult things are required to be done. Someones got to do it as most of the public wont.

What are the typical things cops do that doesnt really get realized but is the core of the work - clear a crash fast to prevent the minimal amount of disruption to commuters, try to determine fault at a crash so the insurance companies dont get free license to screw everyone, at least provide a threat of sanction to limit some of the insanity on the roadway, assist someone with minor issues such as vehicle breakdowns or directions, track/invest house breaks and the like.

Cops were an economic invention. At a time when farmers started to produce excess there needed to be an assurance that when they left the homestead to go to market their family/shit would not be violated. Invent cops and you have a sense of community security that allows you to leave your property and have some assurance it would be there when you get back. Its a little bit of an illusion that keeps otherwise honest people honest and limits the problem to the 1% that dont give a shit about law.

So really cops are Barney Fife in the best of times and that is not a bad thing. Lets use Andy Griffith as the example at least of the two he was more competent and in the best of conditions Andy is the guy you want to help you with your problems.

Problem is when they are asked to be Audie Murphy and the training is not there. The situation will be handled to the level of the training and to the degree of esprit or professionalism in the department and that is a function for the most part on how we vote.

Regards indemnity in theses events. It has to be realized in policing there are no free fire zones. In the mil fratricide is a big problem but its taken as being part of the playing field. In law enforcement blue on blue is not unheard of - sometimes uniformed vs plain clothes but uniform on uniform happens. Much like in .mil unless there is some mitigating circumstance it gets handled in house.

The concern is when its blue on person that pays blue his salary. There are cases of this and Im guessing the officer involved is much harsher with himself than a court could ever be. Kind of a mental life sentence.

Easy for everyone to say here they could be perfect but lets hope none of us ever have to find out.

Any cop reading the after action reports I hope it is an education on how to do better.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Barney Miller at best

 

[pmclaine]

I know hat when I see somebody getting shot for no good reason I will be shooting the guy doing the shooting, you can call it what the hell you want. I just dont care. I do care more about the cowardice shown by the police and sheriffs office. Why do we have cops other than reasons I posted above? I do care more about seperate and unequal justice in thsi country, I do care about thugs in blue acting in a manner that put s them above the law and getting special treatment. They are a disgrace to officers like Singh in Cali.

The more you quibble the more I am convinced we dont need armed agents of the two parties anymore, take their guns away.

Jerry for a moment look at the backside of the report.

Seems like the opposite of the BCS was the local Police Dept that apparently responded and did the right thing.

The question asked of Sherrif Israel is "Why cant you be more like them? Why do we need you?"

 

[pmclaine]

Barney Miller at best

No love for Wojo?

Oh yeah, he was a Marine......

 

[ArmyJerry]

just heard him on a radio show, he does a podcast and is a good guy, cant stand hollywood

 

[ArmyJerry]

Yes I know that already, I lived right there for 15 years, like said before I cant believe BSO got so fucked up so quick.

Jerry for a moment look at the backside of the report.

Seems like the opposite of the BCS was the local Police Dept that apparently responded and did the right thing.

The question asked of Sherrif Israel is "Why cant you be more like them? Why do we need you?"

 

[pmclaine]

Yes I know that already, I lived right there for 15 years, like said before I cant believe BSO got so fucked up so quick.

I thought the sherriff was the shizzle down south. In my Ao the Sherriff has been neutered. They transport prisoners only and the offcie is funded from renting court space to the state.

I do like the idea of sherriff though as he is an elected law official.

Sadly if you have a barely functional electorate you get a barley functional election winner. Promise the low hanging fruit you will not be a "law enforcement" officer and you can get elected as a "law enforcement officer".

 

[ArmyJerry]

The guy before Israel was good, Al Lamberti, met him many times. This scumbag fucked up that department that quick, in a few years, its all it took. I think all local police should be rolled into state or sheriffs departments. They will be held accountable and prob get better training. and we can pare down the amount of armed agents of the state we have running around fucking with Joe citizen.

 

[pmclaine]

The guy before Israel was good, Al Lamberti, met him many times. This scumbag fucked up that department that quick, in a few years, its all it took. I think all local police should be rolled into state or sheriffs departments. They will be held accountable and prob get better training. and we can pare down the amount of armed agents of the state we have running around fucking with Joe citizen.

Voters apparently like to eat where they shit.

You dont want state doing the job of local.

Local cops do a good job and handle hard situations well because they better know the involved parties.

I kind of like the idea of residency - live where you work - this becomes a big problem in affluent areas though because he stock brokers kids dont become cops and cops are probably thought as "domestics".

 

[ArmyJerry]

I kind of like the idea of one elected sheriff, a fully armed society, and he gets to ask for a posse when the need arises. I dont trust armed people that work for the dem and repub parties as armed extorters of money with a side job of drawing chalk outlines.

 

[deersniper]

"What are the typical things cops do that doesnt really get realized but is the core of the work - clear a crash fast to prevent the minimal amount of disruption to commuters, try to determine fault at a crash so the insurance companies dont get free license to screw everyone, at least provide a threat of sanction to limit some of the insanity"

Lmfao. BS. Cops and the squirrel squad try to close as many lanes for as long as possible.
And they do zero investigation into non serious injury accidents. They do info exchange forms and that is it.

And cops do shit for property crimes/stolen vehicles investigations. Plenty of time to be road pirates and figure out new innovative ways to violate the constitution and people's rights.

They have made their bed. People's attitudes towards cops have changed vastly in the past 10-20 years. Probably a combination of their bad behavior/attitude getting worse and the Internet proving that good cop hero bs to be bs.

 

[pmclaine]

"What are the typical things cops do that doesnt really get realized but is the core of the work - clear a crash fast to prevent the minimal amount of disruption to commuters, try to determine fault at a crash so the insurance companies dont get free license to screw everyone, at least provide a threat of sanction to limit some of the insanity"

Lmfao. BS. Cops and the squirrel squad try to close as many lanes for as long as possible.
And they do zero investigation into non serious injury accidents. They do info exchange forms and that is it.

Some do nothing and that sucks. Some think showing up at an accident is to show people how to take pictures of others licenses and reg so that the paperwork doesnt even have to be done.

Tell me what you do for work and Ill give you and example of someone that sucks at it.

Fire controls the scene of a crash. There is a lot of bittersweet humor in this video......

 

[ArmyJerry]

I will say most cops besides being road pirates (I gotta remember that one) are good people.

 

[deersniper]

Some do nothing and that sucks. Some think showing up at an accident is to show people how to take pictures of others licenses and reg so that the paperwork doesnt even have to be done.

Tell me what you do for work and Ill give you and example of someone that sucks at it.

Fire controls the scene of a crash. There is a lot of bittersweet humor in this video......

That is state wide policy here so. And squirrel squad loves to block traffic cause they have no power in their life.

As for you other occupation argument. It's invalid. Bad lawyers /doctors/ engineers get those license revoked or can't afford insurance after getting sued or doing something stupid/criminal/etc. No qualified immunity in the private sector. Much less getting fired for cause and easily getting a job the next town over.

I will say most cops besides being road pirates (I gotta remember that one) are good people.

You can find good ones. But there are a lot of petty/ respect my authority/ incompetent/ all civilian are criminals that haven't been caught/ mental cases/ etc that shouldn't be anywhere near a badge.
And the good ones can't do anything about the bad ones because of the politician police chiefs and the thin blue line
Best to treat them like a snake you can't identify. Might be harmless might kill you or destroy your life for no reason. Best to give them a wide berth and avoid contact at all cost.

As far as road pirates, drive a "commercial vehicle" (any vehicle from a semi down to a 3/4 ton with trailer). You'll see the constitution doesn't apply to you and they have created a thousand different ways to fleece you and it isn't about safety.
Had a guy locally that was being checked (with zero probable cause) when he want to open a compartment to show the safety equipment the pirate put his hand on his gun.
Completely out of line and that "everyone is trying to kill you " training that is pounded in these cops heads needs to change.