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This is gonna get ugly...

Im a younger person on this forum and everytime someone says that there was a civilian militia 200 years ago or something to that nature i just wonder if they realize how the times have changed. Back then once the red coats were getting beaten they had to defend a shore, now we would be fighting against a set in military to win. A horse coming around the corner is one thing and an m1 abrahms is another thing. i just dont think it would go as well as some feel it would. They can probably have a tank regiment anywhere in the us in the matter of a couple days, possibly faster then that. I realize that i am thinking this a little further along than some but just a thought.
Yeah and their families were 2000 miles away. The drone operators and tank drivers and commies live amongst us. Soft targets everywhere on both sides
 
This isn't a religious post. I am speaking reality on the ground and is my duty to share with any that will consider. They won't take up all guns nationally.. ever. In fact guns in place are part of the plan.

They are waiting for a series of natural catastrophes to then hide a deliberate financial meltdown behind. As that transpires there will be large scale internal fighting instigated inside of our wall less borders. There are other wars going on around the world at this time too, but I am speaking only to events on this soil. None of this is organic in nature but a deliberate plan. They will get their new government for a matter of weeks, maybe less, and then it will fall from happenings inside this country. Immediately after, the world will re-unite around something none of us can really fathom at this time. Resistance will reform and the countries that have always resented the US will be sent in formation down thru Alaska to crush the insurrection. That is where it ends. They will lose. This all happens over the course of about a year from the time the natural disasters hit. Its very fast, and very fluid with much suffering along the way.

I'm sharing this here with the limited audience because I care for what is right for my neighbors. There are choices to be made, but bare in mind that not any one of us will stop what is written in stone. Care for and protect those around you, yet if you want to stand for what is right until the end then it might be prudent to prepare and stay out of the way. This is happening with or without any one of us.

Its widely said that the letter from Albert Pike to Mazzini about three world wars and disillusioning mankind to then present a spiritual leader is a fake. The letter very well could be fake, but they are marching quite closely to this plan.
 
Now we would be fighting against a set in military to win. A horse coming around the corner is one thing and an m1 abrahms is another thing. i just dont think it would go as well as some feel it would. They can probably have a tank regiment anywhere in the us in the matter of a couple days, possibly faster then that. I realize that i am thinking this a little further along than some but just a thought.

I don't think anybody intelligent plans to go face to face with the military, anybody intelligent will choose to live to fight another day.
But think about this, we poured huge amounts of soldiers & equipment into Afghanistan over the course of the past 17 years... Yet we are currently in negotiations to turn the country back over to the same fanatic, religious, stone age, unevolved brutes we went there to fight....

This is why I hope that if it actually comes to a Communists vs. freedom fighters civil war, the Army stays the hell out of it, because if they don't, and choose to support the communists, chances are the country will go back to the stone age really fast because all the intelligent freedom fighters will realize that the only way to win is not to fight them, but to make it impossible for the society that pays, supplies & commands them to continue....
 
I don't think anybody intelligent plans to go face to face with the military, anybody intelligent will choose to live to fight another day.
But think about this, we poured huge amounts of soldiers & equipment into Afghanistan over the course of the past 17 years... Yet we are currently in negotiations to turn the country back over to the same fanatic, religious, stone age, unevolved brutes we went there to fight....

This is why I hope that if it actually comes to a Communists vs. freedom fighters civil war, the Army stays the hell out of it, because if they don't, and choose to support the communists, chances are the country will go back to the stone age really fast because all the intelligent freedom fighters will realize that the only way to win is not to fight them, but to make it impossible for the society that pays, supplies & commands them to continue....

I contend it would split every police department and military, there are going to be lots of true Americans that wear the uniform that will not comply and the fight will be on the inside of the military as well as out.
 
99% of every police department will do what their told because their paychecks will depend on it........ their paychecks feed their wives and babys and put a roof over their heads, so a) feed babys and put a roof over their heads or b) take the guns away fro right wing militants
gee i wondewr which way they will go....
 
99% of every police department will do what their told because their paychecks will depend on it........ their paychecks feed their wives and babys and put a roof over their heads, so a) feed babys and put a roof over their heads or b) take the guns away fro right wing militants
gee i wondewr which way they will go....
Option C: get a job in the real world actually producing something.
 
At some point this always ends with the people socialists hate wearing a "Star of David" or similar patch on their clothes, a tattoo on their arms and spending the rest of their short, poverty stricken lives in gulags awaiting their trip to the crematorium. As long as your idiot friends keep voting for Dimmercrats this crap will continue until we are all broke and the country collapses into an armed police state and life expectancy is down to about 50 years for most people.

Welcome to Leftist controlled America,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the important thing we would like you to remember is that when you move your socialist butt to a conservative state,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,STOP VOTING FOR THE SAME CRAP!!!!!
 
99% of every police department will do what their told because their paychecks will depend on it........ their paychecks feed their wives and babys and put a roof over their heads, so a) feed babys and put a roof over their heads or b) take the guns away fro right wing militants
gee i wondewr which way they will go....
Or option D, not going home ever again,..
 
99% of police will do anything to anyone because 100% of policemen know it is better to be whipping peasants than to be a peasant. Hitler, Stalin, Maduro and Mao never killed anyone. They simply ordered their followers to do it. They never starved anyone personally either, nor did they seize property. The world is full of people who will gladly murder you and take everything you own if they know they have approval of the state.

Once this crop of socialists steals power thru crooked, rigged elections,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they will steal every right and privilege you though you had in the blink of an eye and 90% of your friends and neighbors will celebrate watching you die. During the Revolutionary War only about 10% of America fought for freedom. About 50% supported the British and to this day their descendants despise America and scream for socialism and their desire to be made serfs and ruled over like the sheep they are. Add to them, millions of immigrants from communist and socialist countries who are here to bleed the nation dry and you have a problem.
 
Im a younger person on this forum and everytime someone says that there was a civilian militia 200 years ago or something to that nature i just wonder if they realize how the times have changed. Back then once the red coats were getting beaten they had to defend a shore, now we would be fighting against a set in military to win. A horse coming around the corner is one thing and an m1 abrahms is another thing. i just dont think it would go as well as some feel it would. They can probably have a tank regiment anywhere in the us in the matter of a couple days, possibly faster then that. I realize that i am thinking this a little further along than some but just a thought.

All things have changed.

The spirit of freedom, liberty and patriotism, while diminished in some parts of these United States, is still very strong across our country, and has not changed. Many will stand up for the things that have made this country great, win, lose, draw.

I can't believe this has to be pointed out to you.
 
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Im a younger person on this forum and everytime someone says that there was a civilian militia 200 years ago or something to that nature i just wonder if they realize how the times have changed. Back then once the red coats were getting beaten they had to defend a shore, now we would be fighting against a set in military to win. A horse coming around the corner is one thing and an m1 abrahms is another thing. i just dont think it would go as well as some feel it would. They can probably have a tank regiment anywhere in the us in the matter of a couple days, possibly faster then that. I realize that i am thinking this a little further along than some but just a thought.

And tanks have their weaknesses also. Seen it firsthand in both iraq and Afghanistan. If the american people get their heads out of their asses and finally wake up. Then yes we can resist.
 
Im a younger person on this forum and everytime someone says that there was a civilian militia 200 years ago or something to that nature i just wonder if they realize how the times have changed. Back then once the red coats were getting beaten they had to defend a shore, now we would be fighting against a set in military to win. A horse coming around the corner is one thing and an m1 abrahms is another thing. i just dont think it would go as well as some feel it would. They can probably have a tank regiment anywhere in the us in the matter of a couple days, possibly faster then that. I realize that i am thinking this a little further along than some but just a thought.
A tank/s w/o infantry, drone, or other active eyes, is a setting duck. Also reactive armor can be used against the POS that's carrying it. You been reading/watching a lot of TV an interent B/S? Cause when it gets real you will see tactics that will make you stop an say "Why didn't I think of that". The higher the tech the easier it is to defeat same, an that is bankable,... Remember just a few years ago the rags were living in caves an the modern US military has not killed them all yet. Could we, yes in about 48hrs but having balls Ain't us. Neither those ridding those tanks your worried about, it only takes one well placed man to step up an fuck over the best laid plans from the inside. An rest assured they are on the inside. Until the wholesale killing starts it's not very smart to tip your hand,..
 
10 - 20 exit ramps seals up ever major city in this country,,, watch who is who, trust no government worker..

read the army manual on this, they been at it longer than anyone.

FM 31-21
One part of my book has the patriots dropping the 500-1m+ Kv tower's an lines leading into a city at rush hour. They use gravity an line tension an voltage perfectly, to drag other towers into the fray starting massive fires as well. Should make for a scene that is memorable, an is as real as it gets given what they have to work with. After the lines drop the city feeds on it's self. Which is the theme threw out the book. Have not decided on the name yet but looking at "Lynch Pin" as well as "Key Stone" Anyone else have any other ideas for a name?
 
dont write any details. read the FM's, lots of good FMs out there on this shit. Your Fed gov is the biggest threat the republic faces,,, two tierd justice means no justice at all. thats how enslavement starts,.
There's some weird shit between my ears, when I start thinking. I've read an been tested on a few FM teachings while they are very good place to start, they are not the be all. That only comes from thinking out of the box an how to break but one link in a very stressed chain that's holding this engineer-less train back on a major hill, with the brakes disabled.
 
you are not alone in the arts of chaositry,,, shhhhh

There's some weird shit between my ears, when I start thinking. I've read an been tested on a few FM teachings while they are very good place to start, they are not the be all. That only comes from thinking out of the box an how to break but one link in a very stressed chain that's holding this engineer-less train back on a major hill, with the brakes disabled.
 
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JMO, you know just to have some additional protection from those pesky mom's basement-dwellin hackers( ;) if ya catch my drift), I`d recommend installing TAILS + TOR when discussing such topics as this from here on. Preferably with a new SH new account that you ONLY!!!!! access thru TOR with absolutely no similarities to your previous one. Also preferably at a random wifi hotspot, while absolutely using different ones in the most random manner possible. Can never be too careful...

I know yall look down on most of the criminal element, and while I definitely don't associate with that crowd anymore(even tho the damage is alreadyd one in the form a rapsheet)...theres a lot of lessons to be learned in that world, especially in this world of the future. Study heavily the case of Ross Ulbricht.. though tech has somewhat passed his situation by theres still plenty lessons to glean, even more up to date lessons to be gleaned from the founder of Alpha Bay, Snowden as well despite what ya may think of em.

To be clear, I dont have any intention of violence against anyone. But I have a right to privacy and I recommend yall use it to its full extent. I know Im just a youngin and most yall old enough to be my pap, but just figured I'd add some tidbits that might be useful atleast somewhat, I'd like to think my Cyber Security degree that I'll be graduating with this semester wasn't for nothin
 
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A tank/s w/o infantry, drone, or other active eyes, is a setting duck. Also reactive armor can be used against the POS that's carrying it. You been reading/watching a lot of TV an interent B/S? Cause when it gets real you will see tactics that will make you stop an say "Why didn't I think of that". The higher the tech the easier it is to defeat same, an that is bankable,... Remember just a few years ago the rags were living in caves an the modern US military has not killed them all yet. Could we, yes in about 48hrs but having balls Ain't us. Neither those ridding those tanks your worried about, it only takes one well placed man to step up an fuck over the best laid plans from the inside. An rest assured they are on the inside. Until the wholesale killing starts it's not very smart to tip your hand,..

Too much residual income in letting them live to fight another day.....”We” have been in A-Stan for what, 17 years now ? (Why, other than $$$$). It doesn’t pay ($$$) to “Win” wars anymore.
 
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These cowards want our guns because they are robbing us and blow the money on themselves. Worthless scum sucking shit bags. so Sick of it and our votes don't mean shit anymore.

The whole upper echelon has been robbing us for years right under our noses while laughing at the same time behind close doors,and i'm talking about both sides.

We are inching closer...........
 
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BTW, jail fuckin sucks.. I watched a fight break out right cross the table from me. Mentally ill fat ass hispanic fella came up to this ~60 year old black gentleman that I and he were playing cards along with a ~50 year old man and a black kid my age to the sides of us. The hispanic walked up, said "WHY YOU IN MY FUCKIN SEAT!" !BOOM! right hook straight on the jaw of the elderly black fella while he was sittin down. Took it like a champ too, didn't even fall out the chair. Stood up, pulled out a modified razor and they kinda were mostly at a stalemate, the old dude with the razor would swing it just to keep distance cause the hispanic was way bigger and old black guy was likely on queer street jello legs after that shot.

I got up, but was just kinda standin there watchin, wanting to see how it goes down(jail is boring to the point of slowly mentally breaking you down). All a sudden, another old-timer who was kinda like the trustee type dude yanks me by the shoulder and basically yells "young man get face down and clasp your fingers behind your head Viper Squads bout to come through wreckin shit!!" So I did that and everyone else did the same thing near simultaneously except for a super old black dude in a wheelchair. 30 sec later like 10 mfckrs looking like damn SEAL Team 6 come sprinting in, shoot the two guys who were fighting with bean bags, and a huge jacked up white dude on the squad ran straight to the guy in the wheelchair, picked up a mop bucket on the way and yells "why the fuck aint you on the ground!" while sprinting full speed at the dude and BAM knocks his block off with the mop bucket. Never found out if the old man ended up making it. Never saw the juiced up roid rage Viper Squad Response Team member again either. Assuming he probably just got transferred. That was my first day lol, and I'll tell ya what, I ain't sat anywhere but with my back against the wall since.
 
hate to break it to you but the upper echelon uses the lower echelon to rob us,,, keep that in mind when thinking about class warfare.

The whole upper echelon has been robbing us for years right under our noses while laughing at the same time behind close doors,and i'm talking about both sides.

We are inching closer...........
 
JMO, you know just to have some additional protection from those pesky mom's basement-dwellin hackers( ;) if ya catch my drift), I`d recommend installing TAILS + TOR when discussing such topics as this from here on.
Why, did free speech, supposition, speculation, an talking about a book get banned in the last 30 minutes?
 
Man, ain’t nobody going to do anything. They’ve already won. It’s just not a quick and easy win. How many of you are going to put your family at risk when they come busting through the door in the middle of the night? How many of you have back up plans or people to go check ins with? How many of you have people that have your backs and can respond on a moments notice? What’s your plans if they raid when you aren’t at home?? It’s a long term goal that they have planned for for years. IL is a test bed. If this shit passes there it will spread. They’ve won. Enjoy your time with what you have while you have it left. With that being said, feel free to give them hell and make life miserable for anyone that does disarm you.

If you do try to do some Lone Ranger stuff you will just be labeled a terrorist and dealt with. If you try it and think anyone in the gun community will come to aid or rescue you, you then you would be sadly mistaken. I’m not saying it’s over but it’s not going to be easy. They pretty much own everything. As I’ve always said, you can’t do this alone. You need groups, real groups that have what it takes to push back against this stuff.

With all that said, I hope people stand up. Anyone that has seen war certainly does not wish that to happen on our own soil in our streets, but if they must bring it, people will respond. And yes, it will get ugly and most likely never recoup. I don’t think many people are prepared. All I can say is, I see some parallels to what took place in the 40’s. If you dongive them all up and think you can go back to your comfy life in front of your tv, then you would be completely mistaken. You may be ok for awhile, but eventually you will wind up a slave. Don’t give in. Make your fight, but do what’s right and ensure your family’s safety first, then have a back up plan. Don’t register anything, swap with your buddies if you have to, hide stuff make it as difficult as possible.

PS Tanks are easy to take out. I wouldn’t be worried about tanks rolling up into your neighborhood. We ain’t at that point yet and even if we were, they are simple enough to deal with but you got to have some balls.
 
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dont write any details. read the FM's, lots of good FMs out there on this shit. Your Fed gov is the biggest threat the republic faces,,, two tierd justice means no justice at all. thats how enslavement starts,.

Meh, FMs are kind of worthless. Maybe a good starting point but they don’t really teach anything.
 
How many of you are going to put your family at risk when they come busting through the door in the middle of the night?

If you know what I know you wouldn't ask that question.
You ain't coming back home to those loved ones hoss. If you are lucky they will let you look at them through the glass.

I've found that most "gun people" think they are gonna do the same old revolving door justice when this shit kicks off.....holy shit does that make me laugh. They ain't gonna be letting the likes of you out, there will be special directives for your kind.
This shit really gets me worked up, cause I assume y'all are pretty fucking smart!
-If you think you are gonna turn in your guns and go free.
-Tell them you sold them all.
-Tell them "That there is all of them officer."
-Think your safe because "I don't buy guns with 4473 attached."

Then we'll....you are pretty fucking stupid.

I don't have the answers.
Friends you can REALLY count on are gatdamned hard to come by.
Most people are far too self absorbed to be of any real help to you.

Frankly, in the beginning, you'll be on your own. This is why I'm not keen on "buying massive loads of shit". You have first contact to survive, hopefully others will see what's going on and have some grand epiphanies. Hope I see y'all on the other side of it, if not, I hope to see you on the other side.
Good luck.
 
We ALL see whats coming...."they" want to disarm US because a disarmed man is a slave to be forced and fleeced. They can't liquidate US until they disarm US.

They want to disarm US...That's not the question. The question is what's to be done about it?

Some say we are supposed to go out in a hail of gunfire when the Police or a trained force kicks the door down at 3am to take the guns that have been unconstitutionally made illegal and watch our whole family die in a blaze of justifiable force.

You first...I'll stuff my face with 'burgers and beer and when they shoot your family down I'll avenge you. Some want a Hot Civil War because they think there will be winners and that they will be one of them. All I have to do is fire the first shot. The Chest Thumpers have got my back.

Bullshit. You first - I'll follow your leadership and expertise in the matter. I'm gonna be a good little guy and give them what they have a Warrant for. Hopefully they'll grin at the pathetic little old guy who gave up the guns they had warrants for and then get their throats cut while they sleep secure in the knowledge that "The Little People" have been subdued.

"Ya got me, I give up. Careful now that you don't fall down the stairs, or get poisoned or a bomb don't blow yer whole world apart now, neighbor." "Cause this is America and there is enough stuff at Lowe's and the local pharmacy to absolutely destroy folks who think they have US. All that will happen when they take my guns is that they will think I'm harmless and pathetic. Go on ahead and make it Hot. I know about heat. Watch this.

VooDoo
 
I think there will be a triggering event caused by over reach of a despotic government we now have, then there will be a reaction, much like the period right before the last civil war except it will move a lot faster,,, thats how i think it will unfold and probably sooner than most on here think.

remember how things came apart in Beirut,, like that except bigger and more violent.
 
We ALL see whats coming...."they" want to disarm US because a disarmed man is a slave to be forced and fleeced. They can't liquidate US until they disarm US.

They want to disarm US...That's not the question. The question is what's to be done about it?

Some say we are supposed to go out in a hail of gunfire when the Police or a trained force kicks the door down at 3am to take the guns that have been unconstitutionally made illegal and watch our whole family die in a blaze of justifiable force.

You first...I'll stuff my face with 'burgers and beer and when they shoot your family down I'll avenge you. Some want a Hot Civil War because they think there will be winners and that they will be one of them. All I have to do is fire the first shot. The Chest Thumpers have got my back.

Bullshit. You first - I'll follow your leadership and expertise in the matter. I'm gonna be a good little guy and give them what they have a Warrant for. Hopefully they'll grin at the pathetic little old guy who gave up the guns they had warrants for and then get their throats cut while they sleep secure in the knowledge that "The Little People" have been subdued.

"Ya got me, I give up. Careful now that you don't fall down the stairs, or get poisoned or a bomb don't blow yer whole world apart now, neighbor." "Cause this is America and there is enough stuff at Lowe's and the local pharmacy to absolutely destroy folks who think they have US. All that will happen when they take my guns is that they will think I'm harmless and pathetic. Go on ahead and make it Hot. I know about heat. Watch this.

VooDoo

You are assuming they can be appeased by your surrender, to their demands.
I contend it is no less gamble than the strategy of defend to the death.

Your strategy will work great....as long as they don't decide you look like Mike from Michigan.
 
AJ they are going to soften the beach heads with economic collapse first then let the masses fight to exhaustion. They know they can't just convert everyone over to a new way of thinking.

To break wills, they will instigate suffering that we as a nation have never experienced. This wont be our grandparents great depression.

Point blank and in the face, some of those unprepared and without moral character will literally eat their own children. That is just how bad it will be when they throw the switch.

All please consider this in depth and take it very seriously.
 
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You are assuming they can be appeased by your surrender, to their demands.
I contend it is no less gamble than the strategy of defend to the death.

Your strategy will work great....as long as they don't decide you look like Mike from Michigan.

Agreed. Go for it. You first and I'll follow your lead.

Unfortunately I have my doubts about you guys who call for "Death before Dishonor" and when I see you all fall I'll fall on my sword. I prefer to hide out and appear pathetic and kill thousands of them as they spit on me and walk past.

You first. No disrespect intended. My Way will be to resist from within. I don;t see Chest Thumping Macho Dudes getting very far against a platoon of Specialists or Marines who have nothing to lose by exterminating the first resistors. Fight and die on the spot or cave in and appear to be beneath their notice and live to fight when they are drunk, satiated, eating, at home, or asleep.

VooDoo
 
99% of every police department will do what their told because their paychecks will depend on it........ their paychecks feed their wives and babys and put a roof over their heads, so a) feed babys and put a roof over their heads or b) take the guns away fro right wing militants
gee i wondewr which way they will go....
I think your 99 % is little off probably way less than what people would assume same goes for the military. sadly I guess we will find out soon enough. There's more police military and Patriots that are not going to go along with the program then they assume.
 
I'm 63 and have seen a lot. In the coming Civil War gone Hot they will eliminate all that stand up and defy them first to make an example of them. Those who blend in and appear to capitulate will ultimately be the only hope.

The nail that stands up will be hammered down. Don't stand up. I salute those that do and will mourn you and yours and avenge you.

Don't get me worng, I am active with my time and money to flail against the folks who want to disarm US. We have to fight for every inch. But when the laws pass and they make US a criminals for possession of simple tools like firearms we will not survive by standing up to be gunned down by Police and Federal Specialists. Give them what they have a Warrant for and kill them later for betraying US and the Constitution, In Samurai times, to be captured was to be humiliated and dishonored. To flee and hide and kill them all later was honorable.

I can't make it any plainer. He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day. 21st century Civil Warfare will not be like 1776 or 1865 Civil Warfare...read about Bosnia and such. If you stand up your neighbors will see that you and yours die.

VooDoo
 
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Yeah...and once a nail has been hammered down, it takes one hell of a wind to move that nail. It takes an exponential amount of force to "extract" the nail, than it did to pound it in.
Horrible analogy, but since you used it.....

People tell themselves they are gonna fight another day, but far fewer EVER in history, have done so, than have gone down swinging.
I'm not knocking your choice, I'm simply saying, that one day, you will regret the decision to hide.

I'm not suggesting anyone is a coward, so don't suggest my false machismo. Do what you like, do what you think best, but be honest with yourself.
I hope you are the best spy ever, but if you are caught, well...I bet a hail of gunfire would be a blessing.