What gun is this?
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It's an AI 1.5 chassis and kind of hard to tell from the picks but the barrel is either a short MTU or a full 1.250" bull profile.
For when your primary weapon needs to send a long range message and double as a secondary blunt force melee weapon
Meh it's a Remington
I have not, but after seeing a claim they went 14/15 on a 1/2 IPSC target at 2050 yards, I'll probably avoid the company.
?Ryan Hey Scott so according to my math, that’s .6moa at 2000y Interesting.
?Teludyne Tech Ryan Hey and this isn’t uncommon!
?Ryan Hey Teludyne Tech bluntly put; its VERY uncommon.
?Teludyne Tech Ryan Hey but not when you’re shooting the StraightJacket Barrel System brother!
I have not, but after seeing a claim they went 14/15 on a 1/2 IPSC target at 2050 yards, I'll probably avoid the company.
?Ryan Hey Scott so according to my math, that’s .6moa at 2000y Interesting.
?Teludyne Tech Ryan Hey and this isn’t uncommon!
?Ryan Hey Teludyne Tech bluntly put; its VERY uncommon.
?Teludyne Tech Ryan Hey but not when you’re shooting the StraightJacket Barrel System brother!
thanks
i thought they made rifle barrels not lasers
Yeah, honestly they may make great barrels, I have no idea. But the marketing above just rubs me the wrong way. Maybe if I see some good reviews I'd give them a chance, but not with the above and relatively little info on them currently.
Did you buy your current choice of rifle because it was claimed to be a half moa gun? Or because the picture were cool?I have not, but after seeing a claim they went 14/15 on a 1/2 IPSC target at 2050 yards, I'll probably avoid the company.
?Ryan Hey Scott so according to my math, that’s .6moa at 2000y Interesting.
?Teludyne Tech Ryan Hey and this isn’t uncommon!
?Ryan Hey Teludyne Tech bluntly put; its VERY uncommon.
?Teludyne Tech Ryan Hey but not when you’re shooting the StraightJacket Barrel System brother!
I bought mine BOTH because it looked kewl, AND because they made wild claims about shooting ducks at several miles...
There's another custom seller of rifles that always claims 1/5th MOA, 1/7th MOA, and shit like that, and I would NEVER buy a rifle from someone so ignorant that they made claims like that to try and sell rifles to unsuspecting rubes.
All it tells you is the opinion of a single salesman who isn't a marksman, but that's a bad sign. Doesn't mean the barrels aren't great, but if they are then they should reign in overzealous salesmen making wild claims and making the product look silly, or at least not something the competitive and sniper communities would want to risk their hard earned $$$ on...
There's another custom seller of rifles that always claims 1/5th MOA, 1/7th MOA, and shit like that, and I would NEVER buy a rifle from someone so ignorant that they made claims like that to try and sell rifles to unsuspecting rubes.
All it tells you is the opinion of a single salesman who isn't a marksman, but that's a bad sign. Doesn't mean the barrels aren't great, but if they are then they should reign in overzealous salesmen making wild claims and making the product look silly, or at least not something the competitive and sniper communities would want to risk their hard earned $$$ on...
I remember Buddly, he was a GREAT salesman. Scopes have tried and true markets, for sure. Yet so do rifle barrels. The StraightJacket system makes your existing barrel better. The better the barrel, the better the results. I do have a jacketed $80 ar15 barrel that experiences no POI shift, cold to hot, and is one of the most consistent weapons I've ever fired. My 77/22 cut 100yd groups down to sub 1" with a FACTORY Ruger barrel. AMD my 700 tactical, with a factory barrel, has over 10k rounds through it, abused at multiple military bases, and by myself, and still; no POI shift, sub moa with factory ammo. You're welcome to try any one of them.
I'd like to think I did my best to research the product using input/reviews from multiple sources I trust. I didn't go out an get something because Brand X claimed something as ridiculous as the post I just linked. Like I said, I have no input on their barrels, as I've never used them. They might be great for all I know, there just isn't a plethora of credible reviews out there that makes me think I should go with them above any number of well respected barrel brands. The linked post isn't just aggressive marketing claims using extremely favorable conditions like MOA guarantees, its a flat out lie.
Do your homework on this one then, before spreading "bogus" claims, as you say they have. I've seen them in action, so I can give substantial feedback on the topic. It's clear you did NO research before linking a conversation you found somewhere. The shot group referred to is 100% possible, with proper fundamentals intact. This is not to say that I have shot over 1k, because I have not. But the tests and facts do not lie.
Descent Into Madness: Intro to Teludyne Tech and the “Straight Jacket” - The New Rifleman
Over the last few years, the quality in the A15 barrel market has improved substantially... even basic, free floated barrels have been shown capable of 1 MOA or better with quality ammunition. Not only has the quality improved, but so has the pricing. In spite of any advancements the market has...
www.thenewrifleman.com
Haha, no. The claim above is 100% bullshit and not possible. Which is why they ended up removing the post entirely.
Please post this to the ELR section. I'm sure they'd be very interested in being able to go 14/15 on a 1/2 IPSC target at 2050 yards. They'd be more interested to know what type of factory ammo was used in this semi-auto that got them to about 1 ES.
Look bro, do the fuckin homework. If you dont like the system, dont use it. But dont be one of those guys that wanders forums looking for gear to trash because you cant/wont/dont believe it. You keep using, er, replacing, your barrels; and I'll keep shooting mine. I'm sure the same ELR guys you refer to, are also interested in a .5 moa group "not being possible". Hope you get a good deal on your next 1500 round barrel.
LOL bro, I suggest you try to do the homework/math yourself. Using some comments from a post regarding how bullshit this claim is:
"Just for reference...going 1 for 5 shots on a 36 inch plate was the best anyone did at the Southeast ELR Match. And there have been a few other ELR venues where people shot 338 Lapuas at those kind of distances as well. To be even close to that accuracy the ammo would have to have an ES of less than 10fps. Not SD...but ES. 10fps at 2000 yards is going to alter the trajectory by 15 inches by itself."
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"In case anyone is curious I ran a quick monte carlo simulation to find out what standard deviation in muzzle velocity you need to get within 0.6 MOA at 2050 yds (1874 m). Mind you this assumes a 220 gr bullet with a magical 0.7 G1 BC sent at 3280 ft/s (1000 m/s) with 0 wind, perfect trigger pulls, perfect POA, and absolutely no deviation in: air pressure, temperature, muzzle flex, bullet weight, BC, etc. Literally the ONLY thing that is real world and not "physics engine perfect" is muzzle velocity. Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here.
| MV sigma | Hit % on a 6 MOA target |
|---|---|
| 10 m/s (32 ft/s) | 27% |
| 5 m/s (16 ft/s) | 48% |
| 2 m/s (6.6 ft/s) | 79% |
| 1 m/s (3.2 ft/s) | 92% |
for reference, they are claiming 14/15 = 93.3%"
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"The target is 0.45x0.6 MOA at that distance.
What they're claiming is 14 of 15 rounds were smaller than that (by a lot).
Even with the most optimal 30-cal bullet and optimal load, 1 mph of wind = 1.5 MOA @ 2050 yards.
The round goes transonic 700 yards, and subsonic 400 yards short of their target.
The platform isn't capable of that.
The rifle they're shooting isn't capable of that.
There's not a wind-caller on earth that is capable of that.
It would be like someone claiming they bought a really cool model rocket from a hobby shop and shot it into space."
Link to discussion of totally bullshit claim
So again, do your homework. I've said no less than three times in this thread that they may have nice barrels. I'm glad they're working for you. Having said that, I'm skeptical. And the bullshit post I linked, which is impossible, isn't helping.
Your skepticism is understandable. I'd be willing to bet it is possible. Diversity is what makes this crowd unique. Again, I'm not going to defend it anymore. I did the homework, I own the barrels, I know the guys that created them, and their level of skill as marksmen. As to who allegedly fired that group, I couldn't say, but I bet I could find out. I will say that your opinion of "bullshit", means absolutely nothing to me.
This thread sucked till it went off the rails, you've done us a great service.
I feel you are emotionally invested with this. If they have someone who us such a good shot, and barrels that provide perfect consistency, than why do they not compete in these ELR competitions where they would easily beat out the competition
KO2M is limited to .375 min. They don't qualify shooting factory 308 from an AR I'm sure that's why...
