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Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

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Recoil of a 12 gauge from hell. Via http://Gif-Finder.com

Several gunsmiths have been collaborating on the “12 Gauge from Hell” project since at least 2006, maybe even earlier. They use. 50 BMG casings, which they blow out by fireforming to straighten the case, effectively removing the neck and shoulder. Then they use a lathe to turn down the extractor groove and replace it with a screw-on rim that fits 12 gauge chambers.

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Think of it as a 4-inch super-magnum. They have to use bolt actions or falling block actions to contain the pressure, which is higher than any normal 12 gauge but still below rifle-cartridge levels.

In a Savage model 210 with a heavy 31 inch barrel, a 750 grain solid lead slug reaches muzzle velocities faster than 2,500fps. A 1 3/4oz projectile. In the stronger falling block rifles, they claim to reach 3,000fps. That would yield ~15,000 ft-lbs of kinetic energy.
A standard AK yields ~1,500.

A .375 H&H magnum firing a 350 grain bullet at 2300fps yields ~4,100.

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They used to use something like that in Africa.

They were known as Paradox Guns.

Didn't have that much energy. But a 12Ga firing a solid from a rifled barrel could wallop an elephant off its feet!

Very cool... I might need one of those ;-)

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
1 3/4 ounce @ 2500 FPS
12,000- 15,000 Ft/ Pounds

That's a lot more than a shotgun
Winchester Super X rifled 12 gauge, 2 3/4" slug from a smoothbore barrel will have around 2,800 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle

I have no idea what a shotgun does to an elephants brain.... I have never heard of a PH using a shotgun while hunting elephants
 
1 3/4 ounce @ 2500 FPS
12,000- 15,000 Ft/ Pounds

That's a lot more than a shotgun
Winchester Super X rifled 12 gauge, 2 3/4" slug from a smoothbore barrel will have around 2,800 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle

I have no idea what a shotgun does to an elephants brain.... I have never heard of a PH using a shotgun while hunting elephants


I have an 8GA (courtesy Buffalowinter) and it is a cannon! I can't imagine what it would be like with an 8GA solid!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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I have an 8GA (courtesy Buffalowinter) and it is a cannon! I can't imagine what it would be like with an 8GA solid!

Cheers,

Sirhr


No thank you! That's got to hurt.
 
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I remember that ad... I was in High School!

Also remember 'The Osterman Weekend" which made use of those.

I think that's also the same laser from The Terminator.... on the AMT Longslide.

Lasers were cutting edge then. So were M16A1's. Just before they went to the A2. IIRC, the USMC was the first to adopt the A2!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
The Wednesday morning after the 2016 election I got this text from one of the Brothers on the F.D.
Saturday night 2000 hrs. will be a celebration/Memorial showing of "13 Hours" at my house. Bring the adult Beveridge's and "Assault Weapon" of your choice . It was a good time and no one got hurt. Now in 2020 we have to remember that Joe Biden was part of that Benghazi crowd.
 
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Alex
I'll take things to build in the shed when it's cold outside for $1000


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AR15
Beta Mag
Harbor freight DV ponp pump
Cooler or Ice and Water
hoses
quick releases
sheet metal tube

and you have your own water cooled AR
And a German MG-42 AA Tripod... nice bit of kit right there!

Needs a binary trigger!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 

I have an 8GA (courtesy Buffalowinter) and it is a cannon! I can't imagine what it would be like with an 8GA solid!

Cheers,

Sirhr
Well, since you shoot literal cannons, you're probably qualified to answer this. Even using hard cast bullets, would a lead slug actually survive hitting something with that much energy? It doesn't do much good if it hits, penetrates 2 inches, and shatters before reaching vitals.

Edit: I mean the 12 gauge from hell bit. Not the 8 gauge.
 
Well, since you shoot literal cannons, you're probably qualified to answer this. Even using hard cast bullets, would a lead slug actually survive hitting something with that much energy? It doesn't do much good if it hits, penetrates 2 inches, and shatters before reaching vitals.

Edit: I mean the 12 gauge from hell bit. Not the 8 gauge.
The 'slugs' were not like the hollow soft rifle slugs we shoot today. They were .70 Cal (or bigger) solid round balls. Massive weight behind them. Even hitting a skull, they would simply shatter everything. They would go through hair, hide, bone and cause massive hydrostatic shock damage.

Remember, more elephants have been killed with .303's and AK's than all the fine double guns put together. The point of the Paradox or the .470 nitro was to stop the charge and allow a 'close kill' before getting trampled and gored. And it was a bit of pukka kit. If all you wanted to do was kill things, rapid fire 303's would take it down. Just not in a sporting manner, old chap!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
Unbelievable that a state senator can think this way!
A few years ago a state legislator from somewhere in the Midwest (I forget where) declared that if we just banned the sale of high-capacity magazines they would eventually be used up and the problem would go away.

Somebody pointed out that one could just load fresh bullets and re-use them, and she deleted her Twitter account.
 
A few years ago a state legislator from somewhere in the Midwest (I forget where) declared that if we just banned the sale of high-capacity magazines they would eventually be used up and the problem would go away.

Somebody pointed out that one could just load fresh bullets and re-use them, and she deleted her Twitter account.
So they thought they were like cap gun ring mags, you just threw them away when used? You can't make this stuff up!
 
Too bad the clerk didn’t stop shooting after the guy went down. Those 3 extra rounds are going to cost him unfortunately.
I was not there... I did not hear audio

Dirt bag has a gun
Dirt bag still has the gun
Dirt bag still could be considered a threat....

When you get shot- your brain is overloaded by pain... bleeding causes a loss of blood pressure...

Just like in 1st aid class, lying flat on the ground brings blood back to the head... Was the threat over? Was the robber still moving?

Many people who get shot, drop to the ground, the brain deals with the pain and they get back in the fight

When you might be looking at LWOP for being a career criminal and robbing a store with a firearm... maybe the desire to make it out is great...



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A few years ago a state legislator from somewhere in the Midwest (I forget where) declared that if we just banned the sale of high-capacity magazines they would eventually be used up and the problem would go away.

Somebody pointed out that one could just load fresh bullets and re-use them, and she deleted her Twitter account.

This the one?

2:45 if you're in a hurry, but it's all comedy gold.

Diana Degette (D) Colorado

I hear Utah is nice.

Thank you,
MrSmith
 
Too bad the clerk didn’t stop shooting after the guy went down. Those 3 extra rounds are going to cost him unfortunately.
The perp did not drop his weapon and it was still not visible. He was still moving and could be trying to bring a weapon to bear. The clerk can enunciate that he was afraid for his life and did not know the status of the perp who was still moving and could be trying to attack.

He'll be fine.

If he had walked over and administered a coup-de-grace... he'd have been in trouble. But he shot until the threat was considered not a threat... by him.

Chalk one up for the good guy!

Sirhr