Va Gun Confiscation Looming!

[NovaHunter]

Preface: I am not politically correct and I do offend people. No offense is intended in what follows.... none intended.

A sports analogy.
A team wont come play because they know they cant win. They hand "winner" to the other team.
They lose their fan base except for the diehards.
They lose influence in financial services that a full game would support.
They fold.
They give up so much.
They lose future support of the people.
Ad nauseam.

LOSERS, Loser attitude....

PMclaine asked in a posting why did the gun haters choose Virginia. Part of it is the 4th circuit and their liberal rulings. Part of it is judge shopping.

Part of it is demographics and gerrymandered voting results making it harder for those outside the major population areas to make their voice heard.

And part of it was them seeing RPV cede the field and not put up a fight. No doubt they saw the loser attitude demonstrated by a lack of Republican candidates and They. Seized. The. Opportunity. And. Won. The. Moment. ..

Your statement is visible to all 2A enemies as a loser attitude like the team who wont play.

blackface and backers saw this and pounced, winning by no show and by the established voting system of the United States.
Winning by vote much like Ortega won by vote in Nicaragua after years of conflict, and Mugabe in Rhodesia, and Mandela won in South Africa.

And once in by legal vote they hold the elected power, and will pass law, that by precedent, will stand until the highest court overturns it. The no shows GAVE that to them along with the idea the turds won free and clear, with fiat to do as they pleased.

With the elections done, they are legal... the Sanctuary resolutions hold no legality.

The turds have passed nothing yet.

There is no current legal recourse at this point but recall petitions. RPV, fucking losers, are not spearheading any such drives... the turds see this and are empowered.

The turds are seeing the Sanctuary resolutions and are weighing their opposition daily, but the turds have fact of law on their side. They know it. They move forward.

Once they pass those laws, those laws hold legal precedent until VCDL, GOA, and whoever, get the appeal to SCOTUS.

The turds know it, used the established US law to their benefit, and are pushing their agenda on the state.
The lack of RPV action, the lack of Republican candidates, and the general RPV failure made the turds believe the people had forfeited the game like the sports team who didnt show.

NOW, they know by the resolutions, how many people and how many places stand against them. And they can plan accordingly to overcome that because they believe bloomberg $ can out produce citizen $ coming in.

***** It is incumbent at this point that all 2A supporters financially support VCDL because that is where the legal fight has moved to. *****

And is incumbent that in the future, there is no more "no show candidates", because that sends a loser attitude and empowers the blackfaces as it has done here.

VR

The 2A resolutions have been great, but truthfully the Dems aren't going to care. They won the election.

Those of us who have been fighting in the trenches for years trying to stop this day from coming would have really appreciated this zeal put to use before the election. Perhaps then we could have turned out another 5 or 10% of our voters and not lost the House of Delegates or the Senate....

 

[j-huskey]

Find one that is willing to quit their day job, put their entire life on hold for a year, and be attacked mercilessly. All for a decent chance at getting maybe 40% at best in an election.

Where is the individual that is willing to do that?

Several stood up at the resolution votes.
Now, we will see if any will step forward.

And be a Public SERVANT, accountable to the people.


How the hell do the Democrats get a Stacy Abrams to move from out of state to GA, set up an organization, and run her for governor to a damn near tied vote,
and some clearly see the handwriting on the wall, yet nobody will step up to fill an opposing position.

All 2A supporters best get 'woke'.

Again, this is not pointed at NovaHunter,
***** but at all Hiders and readers to financially support VCDL and GOA in this fight. *****

Beware of future Stacy Abrams coming to you, the handwriting is clear on the wall. another bf northam and a Stacy Abrams, our potential future. Looks kinda dark....

 

[Not a Clue]

Find one that is willing to quit their day job, put their entire life on hold for a year, and be attacked mercilessly. All for a decent chance at getting maybe 40% at best in an election.

Where is the individual that is willing to do that?

So there aren't any young black conservatives coming out of any political science majors in the entire state of Virginia? I find that very hard to believe. There could easily be someone who's handpicked and mentored and finanically supported to win the election. In general, black voters have a hell of a lot more in common with conservatives than they do with liberals but if you give up before the fight starts then you might as well just vote D from now on because that's saying we don't stand a chance, ever again.

Sorry, I don't believe that. Virginia is NOT a blue state. It's a red state.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

They are taking notice, and are worried about how things will go down.

Prospect of gun control in Virginia draws threats, promise of armed protest in Richmond

RICHMOND — Gun rights advocates and militia members from across the country are urging thousands of armed protesters to descend on Virginia’s capital in two weeks to stop newly empowered

www.roanoke.com

The author of this article would make you think that he was talking about a Neo Nazi group or the KKK. Not to mention, they HAD to add in a quote from a "Anti-Semitist" website. They want to tie us to anything and everything to paint us as potential terrorists or the likes.

I'll make the trip up on the 20th.

 

[NovaHunter]

So there aren't any young black conservatives coming out of any political science majors in the entire state of Virginia? I find that very hard to believe. There could easily be someone who's handpicked and mentored and finanically supported to win the election. In general, black voters have a hell of a lot more in common with conservatives than they do with liberals but if you give up before the fight starts then you might as well just vote D from now on because that's saying we don't stand a chance, ever again.

Sorry, I don't believe that. Virginia is NOT a blue state. It's a red state.

Last statewide election we won was 2009. Until there's a major shift our way with the electorate, we are a blue state.

 

[heronblue7]

winning is the key.

 

[Vamike9]

Received my VCDL flyers today and am gonna post them up tomorrow.
There are many ways we can volunteer even those of you who can't attend...

 

[Jlknights61]

Update: (Text below taken from a poster on VCDL page)

“Levine's bills just dropped.

HB961 - Confiscation ban on suppressors. Total ban on magazines over 10 rounds. (unlike saslaw's 16 where they are grandfathered) Allows you to keep your AR or whatever else, at a permit fee of 50.00 PER FIREARM. Re-hash of his 4021 with a 50.00 per item state permit.

HB899 - Bans about half the ammo you probably own. Looks like M855, anything not soft lead core, and the way I read it, even balistic tip hunting ammo or the cheap wolf practice ammo would be banned.

HB962 - 10% sales and use tax on ammo and firearms.”

 

[Jlknights61]

The permit required under HB961 would lead to a complete registry of all “assault firearms” in the state.

 

[rtB]

Well at least we can keep half our ammo. I guess we need to give the other half back...

 

[deersniper]

They already fired the first shot when they shot that guy in his own doorway that refused to give up his guns back in Jan 2019 under unconstitutional red flag bs

Why answer the door ? .gov s only there’s to screw you.

 

[Vamike9]

Michael Bloomberg came to Virginia today to check on his investment/leverage in the democratic party.

He said that he is looking forward to seeing Va become what he thinks it should be...

If you aren't fired up then you need to wake up!

 

[davsco]

wow those aholes are making hay while the sun shines. an all-out assault on our federal AND state constitutional protections.

all i can say is if all of us don't get out vote come november, our entire country will be suffering this siege.

 

[MadDuner]

EVERY CONSERVATIVE NEEDS TO VOTE EVERY TIME!

 

[SilentStalkr]

Update: (Text below taken from a poster on VCDL page)

“Levine's bills just dropped.

HB961 - Confiscation ban on suppressors. Total ban on magazines over 10 rounds. (unlike saslaw's 16 where they are grandfathered) Allows you to keep your AR or whatever else, at a permit fee of 50.00 PER FIREARM. Re-hash of his 4021 with a 50.00 per item state permit.

HB899 - Bans about half the ammo you probably own. Looks like M855, anything not soft lead core, and the way I read it, even balistic tip hunting ammo or the cheap wolf practice ammo would be banned.

HB962 - 10% sales and use tax on ammo and firearms.”

Fuck all that. Accept none of this. Hold the line!

 

[SilentStalkr]

wow those aholes are making hay while the sun shines. an all-out assault on our federal AND state constitutional protections.

all i can say is if all of us don't get out vote come november, our entire country will be suffering this siege.

It’s coming either way. They aren’t backing down. What we need is more people running for office that have values similar to our own.

 

[wilson1911]

It’s coming either way. They aren’t backing down. What we need is more people running for office that have values similar to our own.

Those are the ones that turn into republicans and still take your shit, tax you to death, and spend like there is no tomorrow.

 

[Vamike9]

Those are the ones that turn into republicans and still take your shit, tax you to death, and spend like there is no tomorrow.

We haven't seen anything yet, Dems philosophy is seek and destroy.

 

[Vamike9]

Regardless of what you think it will or won't do, you need to constantly contact your legislators including Gov Blackface.

Here's the contact# for Northam
804-786-2211

Contact | Virginia.gov

www.virginia.gov

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Update: (Text below taken from a poster on VCDL page)

“Levine's bills just dropped.

HB961 - Confiscation ban on suppressors. Total ban on magazines over 10 rounds. (unlike saslaw's 16 where they are grandfathered) Allows you to keep your AR or whatever else, at a permit fee of 50.00 PER FIREARM. Re-hash of his 4021 with a 50.00 per item state permit.

HB899 - Bans about half the ammo you probably own. Looks like M855, anything not soft lead core, and the way I read it, even balistic tip hunting ammo or the cheap wolf practice ammo would be banned.

HB962 - 10% sales and use tax on ammo and firearms.”

They are panicking. They are trying to get someone on our side to slip and do something that will paint all of us as aggressors and active threats. Do NOT take the bait.

During the battle of Crecy the French knights tried to goad the English into breaking their formation and attack first by yelling ceaseless insults at them. The English simply did not reply and answered each wave of harassment with utter silence. The continental knights did not even know they were facing a force almost entirely composed of longbowmen, until it was too late..

 

[gunman_7]

Is growing 'Second Amendment sanctuary' movement dangerous or patriotic?

The Virginia Beach City Council voted Monday to add the city to a growing list of nearly 100 cities and counties that have joined the "Second Amendment sanctuary" movement in the commonwealth of Virginia, but some critics are decrying the trend as lawless.

www.foxnews.com

Could they have found a softer spoken more weaker sounding representative. For fucks sake...

 

[SilentStalkr]

They are panicking. They are trying to get someone on our side to slip and do something that will paint all of us as aggressors and active threats. Do NOT take the bait.

During the battle of Crecy the French knights tried to goad the English into breaking their formation and attack first by yelling ceaseless insults at them. The English simply did not reply and answered each wave of harassment with utter silence. The continental knights did not even know they were facing a force almost entirely composed of longbowmen, until it was too late..

Yeah, but what happens when nobody takes the bait and all these bills go through and the courts everyone is hinging their bets on says, “oh well”? I’m not saying take the bait but there has to be another game plan in the works, behind the scenes. Otherwise, all the work to this point was all for naught!

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Yeah, but what happens when nobody takes the bait and all these bills go through and the courts everyone is hinging their bets on says, “oh well”? I’m not saying take the bait but there has to be another game plan in the works, behind the scenes. Otherwise, all the work to this point was all for naught!

They want somebody to go pew pew right now so they can try to pull another Waco or Ruby Ridge without any fallout from the general public and fence sitters. That is the trap that we cannot be lured in to.

Our best weapon at this very moment will be our attendance and turnout on Lobby Day 1/20. What happens afterwards, I hope we will have clean consciences and lighter hearts knowing that we did our best.

 

[earthtrekker1775]

They want somebody to go pew pew right now so they can try to pull another Waco or Ruby Ridge without any fallout from the general public and fence sitters. That is the trap that we cannot be lured in to.

Our best weapon at this very moment will be our attendance and turnout on Lobby Day 1/20. What happens afterwards, I hope we will have clean consciences and lighter hearts knowing that we did our best.

Another perspective to consider.

RICHMOND: THE MOTHER OF ALL BUFFALO JUMPS

The more I ponder the mass demonstration being promoted by the Virginia Citizens Defense League for the annual Lobby Day at the Richmond Capitol, the more it looks like a disaster in the making. I …

www.americanpartisan.org

 

[Vamike9]

Another perspective to consider.

RICHMOND: THE MOTHER OF ALL BUFFALO JUMPS

The more I ponder the mass demonstration being promoted by the Virginia Citizens Defense League for the annual Lobby Day at the Richmond Capitol, the more it looks like a disaster in the making. I …

www.americanpartisan.org

If I didn't know any better I'd think that the guy who wrote that piece was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
We don't need any more defeatist waving their flag of cowardice.

There are a thousand ways that each and every one of us could find reasons not to attend...
But we must stand and make our voices heard.
Lobby day is worth being there for.
If we give up this easy then we deserve to lose our rights.

 

[Slow Loris]

If I didn't know any better I'd think that the guy who wrote that piece was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
We don't need any more defeatist waving their flag of cowardice.

There are a thousand ways that each and every one of us could find reasons not to attend...
But we must stand and make our voices heard.
Lobby day is worth being there for.
If we give up this easy then we deserve to lose our rights.

Matt bracken I'm pretty sure is one of the good guys. I just read the article and there was nothing especially defeatist about it and he made alternative suggestions

So, Matt, do you have a better idea?

Okay, we get it. Bracken thinks a mass Second Amendment rally in Richmond on Lobby Day is a bad idea. So what would you do, Matt? Roll over and surrender? Give up your guns without a fight?

Hell no. I’d continue to marshal our forces for maximum effect at local county and city council meetings. The 2A sanctuary county movement has been extremely effective at getting positive attention through this means. We should keep attending every local political meeting in force. Make your local politicos feel the heat. Keep pressing at the county and city level. Experiment with holding “unorganized militia” flash mob events. Be imaginative, and always use friendly local terrain to your advantage.

And I’d arrange other types of demonstrations, also on favorable friendly ground, using social media to distribute a strong message. For example, groups can hold and film what I would call “William Tell” events, where local shooters rendezvous and get on the firing line together for firepower demonstrations. The combined sound and fury of fifty or more semi-auto rifles banging away against steel targets at 100 yards would be very impressive, especially if different counties held similar demonstrations on the same day, all filmed and then combined for upload to the internet. The point is, if we want to demonstrate our strength, do it on friendly ground, using technology and social media to spread the message.

For our side, downtown Richmond is the worst terrain possible for an angry showdown. Does anybody really think that there will be a positive political outcome when thousands of pro-gun folks take dozens of buses and hundreds of cars and trucks into downtown Richmond, to try to change the minds of the very politicians who already hate their deplorable stinking guts? That’s just foolish, in my humble opinion.

On the other hand I can understand people like yourself being pissed off by talk that could drive numbers down at the show of strength on the 20th in Richmond. And that's where I disagree with Bracken, whether it's a good idea or not the rally almost certainly going to happen at this point, and low numbers or high numbers the fears he has are still in play. But one thing you must surely agree with Bracken is the VERY HIGH risk on shenanigans by Deep State and Democrat forces at the event to create a narrative that suits their purpose. I don't think it's coincidence Biden is rambling on about Charlottesville again all of a sudden. Then again if their evil shenanigans can be stopped and exposed it could be a colossal win for our side. Just if you're there remember there's way more at play here.

 

[alpine44]

Bracken's points are hard to argue with.

Even if, by some miracle, this goes down peacefully in Richmond, do we really want to give the media another chance to equate 2A with far right, swastika-waving rednecks?

I hope that VCDL has the brains to divert the majority of buses at the last minute to other venues like shopping malls for example where a peaceful demonstration would stand the chance of finding support and new allies.

Or reroute some of the buses to the private residences of those state reps who could be encouraged to break the party line when the proposed bills come up for vote.

Keep in mind that the 'leaders' in Richmond already proved their tone-deafness.

Marching uphill towards a capitol full of contemptuous or outright violent opponents waiting for you is so medival compared to strategic flash mobbing.

 

[deersniper]

In case anyone has forgotten what happens when only the state has guns.

 

[SilentStalkr]

 

[jbailey]

Guys,
In addition to VA Beach (500k people), Chesterfield County, a big burb of Richmond (350k), voted last night to stand with the Constitutions (VA and US) and support the 2A!!!!
Plus the great news on Prince William County (500k) citizens turning out to defend their 2A Status - even with the quick change on the time! Hell, this is 15% of the population of state, just in those 3 geographies.

THIS IS AWESOME DEVELOPMENTS - I DON'T SEE HOW THE LAW MAKERS IN RICHMOND CAN TRY AND GO FORWARD WITH STRIPPING OUR LIBERTIES NOW!!!!!!!

We are winning folks.

 

[Longshot231]

In case anyone has forgotten what happens when only the state has guns.

Remember that if the leftists democrats don't care about killing babies, then they won't care about killing you or your babies over a piece of steel.

 

[Longshot231]

Guys,
In addition to VA Beach (500k people), Chesterfield County, a big burb of Richmond (350k), voted last night to stand with the Constitutions (VA and US) and support the 2A!!!!
Plus the great news on Prince William County (500k) citizens turning out to defend their 2A Status - even with the quick change on the time! Hell, this is 15% of the population of state, just in those 3 geographies.

THIS IS AWESOME DEVELOPMENTS - I DON'T SEE HOW THE LAW MAKERS IN RICHMOND CAN TRY AND GO FORWARD WITH STRIPPING OUR LIBERTIES NOW!!!!!!!

We are winning folks.

I would caution anyone in their enthusiasm right now.

The democrats like to stay one or two steps ahead of us. They know that there is a popular ground swell against them.

This is not going to make them back down entirely. Recall that Northam backed away from total confiscation. He revised his plans to say that people could keep their "assault weapons" but had to register them with the state.

All along, some of the leftists gun grabbers knew they could not get away with a total ban on everything. So they floated a trial-balloon to see what would be accepted and what wouldn't.

In other words they throw a bunch of anti-gun proposals against the wall to see what sticks.

In the end, they might pass bills that have grandfather clauses in them. They might pass certain registration schemes that seem harmless to the uneducated. They may not ban anything at all if they can just get registration or any sort of watered down law on the books.

They will call it a "start." On the other hand, we would be foolish to call it a victory.

A victory is when won side takes over the enemy's fortification or territory. I haven't seen any victories for gun rights in my life time.

Any so-called "gains" that we've won in the nation have been lost ground that should have never been given up in the first place.

A real victory in Virginia would be to see people like Northam and other gun-grabbers out of a job, pro-gun legislators in office and abolishment of all gun laws.

 

[j-huskey]

Braken's points are hard to argue with.

Even if, by some miracle, this goes down peacefully in Richmond, do we really want to give the media another chance to equate 2A with far right, swastika-waving rednecks?

I hope that VCDL has the brains to divert the majority of buses at the last minute to other venues like shopping malls for example where a peaceful demonstration would stand the chance of finding support and new allies.

Or reroute some of the buses to the private residences of those state reps who could be encouraged to break the party line when the proposed bills come up for vote.

Keep in mind that the 'leaders' in Richmond already proved their tone-deafness.

Marching uphill towards a capitol full of contemptuous or outright violent opponents waiting for you is so medival compared to strategic flash mobbing.

After spending 30+ years in LE, I can tell you Matt Bracken's article is very clearly thought through.
After working with mil units during those 30+, I can tell you MB's article sounds like a SF intelligence briefing.

It is very clear and concise on the worst case possibilities that could happen.
If antifa and camo kkk is there, his article is scarily prescient and accurate.

@alpine44 has offered the second half of a SF briefing, that, in both my experience and opinion, offers the best option for VCDL.

Were it me, if I were VCDL planners, there would be a uniform, of red white and blue clothing with Navy Blue VCDL caps, not maga, and like the million woman march, i would have every VCDL woman with the most elderly men interspersed, with multiple video recorders. And they would be the ones seen at the rally.

The large groups of men would be at peripheral points surrounding the area engaged in peaceful protest and passing out literature.

If antifa and camo kkk attacked women and old men, they would clearly be the bad people.
If antifa wanted to confront the men, they would have to go out, away from the massed police....
But, antifa will more likely attack camo kkk and try to drag VCDL people in with collateral casualties.
In this case the Nick Stoneman vs Nathan Phillips response is absolutely correct......

Bracken is very correct on police sniper placement and response. I ran sniper teams 16 years and trained them for 6 after retirement. Anybody ignoring Bracken on this does so at their own risk.

It IS CLEAR, that blackface advertised their intent early enough to stir up shit for a month with added provocation thrown in weekly. Long enough to fire up VCDL, antifa, and camo KKK, ****to set up**** just what Bracken wrote 'could' happen.
It's almost like this is blackfaces playbook intention and Bracken has insider information and is WARNING VCDL on what's planned.

I have seen too many incidents of this in my 38 years of being part of the LE response.

I have also seen several Bracken type articles that eerily predicted what did happen, almost like a playbook.

YMMV, few will listen to Bracken, Alpine44, or me, but history will record whatever happens, and we will know, a day after, if the shot has been fired.

Some of us, with LE intelligence sources see the absolute lack of LE public response asking for civility related to VCDL, vs antifa, vs camo kkk as an ominous sign.

The public LE comments are telling, that they view those threatening blackface and guardsmen + families, as *****criminal and terrorist*****. Rest assured, the LE response and LE snipers have been primed to expect terroristic behavior and VCDL HAS BEEN PAINTED by that brush, WRONGLY so...
But, be aware, that mindset IS in place. Yes, LE knows 99% of VCDL is not, but only fools ignore the 1% who will respond as criminal in the eyes of the law.

All we can do now is wait and see what the redcoats will do at the bridge. We are there today. Jmho, and ymmv.

VR

 

[goatboy]

Update: (Text below taken from a poster on VCDL page)

“Levine's bills just dropped.

HB961 - Confiscation ban on suppressors. Total ban on magazines over 10 rounds. (unlike saslaw's 16 where they are grandfathered) Allows you to keep your AR or whatever else, at a permit fee of 50.00 PER FIREARM. Re-hash of his 4021 with a 50.00 per item state permit.

HB899 - Bans about half the ammo you probably own. Looks like M855, anything not soft lead core, and the way I read it, even balistic tip hunting ammo or the cheap wolf practice ammo would be banned.

HB962 - 10% sales and use tax on ammo and firearms.”

So, not clear that a permit per firearm is necessary, but because that would be logistically complicated, it’s probably the intent. Also, the treatment of class 3 items like suppressors isn’t well done as the code sections don’t seem to accommodate real world things like NFA trusts. Certainly, the trust is an entity and therefore likely a person under commonwealth law, however how the permit would work for multiple person trusts isn’t at all clear.

 

[Maggot]

Per VCDL:

Another two great days for gun owners! We have now 119 Sanctuaries!

Yesterday, Clarke County, Highland County, and Virginia Beach became sanctuaries. Today, January 7, 2020, Essex County became a sanctuary.

 

[davsco]

So, not clear that a permit per firearm is necessary, but because that would be logistically complicated, it’s probably the intent.

i'm kinda thinking it's per firearm as it referenced model, serial number, etc singular. you'd think it would/should be per person and not per gun as it's the person getting the background check etc. bottom line is these aholes are racing to outdo each other with anti-2a crap and damn the details or reasonableness.

one idiot speaker i think at the prince william meeting wanted to ban guns so we wouldn't turn out like chicago. well, we've had all these guns for a long time with no big issues, and chicago has all these restrictive gun laws that clearly aren't curbing crime, so his logic ain't working.

 

[Not a Clue]

Someone posted video from one of the leftist county meetings and a guy in the audience said something along the lines of "If my guns are as dangerous as you say and they need to be off the streets, why does paying you $50 for a permit for it make it any more safe, this does nothing to combat the problem you say it is". She was stumped and said that maybe her position was wrong and they should take them away from everyone.

I thought his point was excellent. "Oh, it's so dangerous we can't have them around, but if you give us $50 per gun, then you can keep it".

 

[davsco]

and wtf with the indoor shooting range restrictions/bans based on # workers, adjacent offices, etc? if it's not already law, of course say they have to be built so that ceiling and wall shots won't get thru, and reasonably soundproofed. and yes i know it seems tailor-made to shut down the nra range...

and wtf regarding restrictions on carrying in and around govt centers, etc? so when a bad guy who isn't following any laws kills a politician, they can now tack on a minor charge of carrying in a prohibited place on top of the murder charge?

i just don't get the absolute hate against firearms and the law-abiding citizens that have and use them. focus on the friggin' criminals and crime will go down.

 

[Not a Clue]

Per VCDL:

Another two great days for gun owners! We have now 119 Sanctuaries!

Yesterday, Clarke County, Highland County, and Virginia Beach became sanctuaries. Today, January 7, 2020, Essex County became a sanctuary.

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All of that going on and every damn day, they introduce 1/2 dozen more crazy bills. They aren't listening at all and this map means nothing to them, sadly.

 

[jbailey]

Maggot,
updating your graphic to include Chesterfield! See red circle. Chesterfield = 350k people, represented in part by about 4 Dem Delegates and 2 Dem Senators. Remember we only need 5 Dem Delegates or 2 Dem Senators to stand with the Constitutions. Chesterfield is the key Richmond burb.

We can really see how isolated the Liberty Deniers are - Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Loundon and Richmond city. That is about 2.3 million people, about 30% of the state. Encouragingly, the law makers, Delegates and Senators, driving these unconstitutional bills are all from these progressive counties, e.g. about 30% of the House and Senate.

We can beat these Liberty Haters -- PLEASE COME OUT TO THE LOBBY DAY ON 20 JANUARY.

 

[davsco]

anyone know the soonest any of this crap could actually become law? i know we have all these bills submitted, and the legislature starts today. is there some critical path that must be followed, for example 10 days to vote and 10 days to take effect, or could they at least theoretically vote, pass and have it take effect today?

 

[jbailey]

All of that going on and every damn day, they introduce 1/2 dozen more crazy bills. They aren't listening at all and this map means nothing to them, sadly.

Don't get side tracked by all those crazy bills. They are from just a few law makers, all of them in Fairfax County. Fairfax and the DC burb is the most powerful area, but it can not take over the rest of the state without VERY LARGE buy in from their colleagues in places like Chesterfield, VA Beach, Prince William, and Fauquier. We only need 4 to 5 Delegates and 2 Senators.

If the law makers from those counties are convinced by their voters not to support these unconstitutional bills, Fairfax/DC acts are DOA.

 

[davsco]

All of that going on and every damn day, they introduce 1/2 dozen more crazy bills. They aren't listening at all and this map means nothing to them, sadly.

i was going to 'like' this, but i don't like this. but it is, sadly, very true.

 

[jbailey]

anyone know the soonest any of this crap could actually become law? i know we have all these bills submitted, and the legislature starts today. is there some critical path that must be followed, for example 10 days to vote and 10 days to take effect, or could they at least theoretically vote, pass and have it take effect today?

If everyone wanted too, it could become a law today. However, that would be highly usual. It will be debated in some committee for weeks/months. Then move to the floor. Then debated there for weeks/months. And then the two bills - Senate and House - need to be 'merged' and re-debated and re-voted. Then it would move forward to Gov's desk for him to sign (which he would do immediately). Then it is a law and up to the Gov to enforce.

 

[Vamike9]

All of the outrageous bills are to overwhelm Republicans into a so called compromise where they allow them to kill the unborn, take away even more gun rights, destroy our Va budget and of course say that they too, (Dems) made a compromise!

They call themselves pro-chiuce, did the unborn child have a choice?!
I don't think so!

I am beyond sick of what most Dems are doing to this great country.

We just keep losing more rights every day.

 

[Vamike9]

Maggot,
updating your graphic to include Chesterfield! See red circle. Chesterfield = 350k people, represented in part by about 4 Dem Delegates and 2 Dem Senators. Remember we only need 5 Dem Delegates or 2 Dem Senators to stand with the Constitutions. Chesterfield is the key Richmond burb.

We can really see how isolated the Liberty Deniers are - Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Loundon and Richmond city. That is about 2.3 million people, about 30% of the state. Encouragingly, the law makers, Delegates and Senators, driving these unconstitutional bills are all from these progressive counties, e.g. about 30% of the House and Senate.

We can beat these Liberty Haters -- PLEASE COME OUT TO THE LOBBY DAY ON 20 JANUARY.


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You are correct, Dems only have a slight majority in the Va senate...
Who will break rank?
I bet someone's afraid of losing a job...

 

[rtB]

I would bet that most these elected officials are more afraid of losing their Bloomberg/Soros job than their Gov job.

 

[Not a Clue]

New laws generally go into effect July 1, 2020.

 

[Not a Clue]

All of the outrageous bills are to overwhelm Republicans into a so called compromise where they allow them to kill the unborn, take away even more gun rights, destroy our Va budget and of course say that they too, (Dems) made a compromise!

They call themselves pro-chiuce, did the unborn child have a choice?!
I don't think so!

I am beyond sick of what most Dems are doing to this great country.

We just keep losing more rights every day.

They are Pro-Choice if a women wants to have an abortion but if a woman wants to protect herself from a rapist with a gun, then she shouldn't be allowed a choice, according to their logic. Let's get them to be Pro-Choice for guns like they are for abortions. In their minds, they'd rather the woman be defenseless, get raped, and have an abortion than prevent the entire thing from happening in the first place. They really are sick fuckers.

 

[jbailey]

I am beyond sick of what most Dems are doing to this great country.

Keep the faith @Vamike9 - you are not alone and this great country has always been and will continue to be a Center Right country.

This process in VA is stressful, but the strong movement to oppose these violations of our Constitutions should be a morale boost to us. We will win!