Because you’re acting the fool and don’t even realize how stupid you sound. Or maybe you do. Either way calling 308 an attention hound with the crap you’re doing is pretty funny.
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That's just your honest opinion and I choose not to comment. As to 308pirate, he was annoying me for a while with his tasteless short movies that had nothing to do with firearms.
I think (and you can feel free to think differently if you want) that there can indeed be such a thing as an AR sniper rifle. What make it such, is the end user, and how they employ it. Let's use my 18" Larue Tactical Stealth 2.0 as an example. It's actually set up more like a "RECCE" with a 1-8 LPVO, and a weapon light. Kind of a general use tool.
Now, if I go hunting with it, and bring home a deer, it's not a sniper rifle.
The taking of human life is what makes it a sniper rifle. However HOW you do it matters. If I'm out clearing the streets of rif-raf like Sir Kyle of Kenosha, it's not a sniper rifle.
If I lie in a hide, waiting, watching, biding my time, then take out a person who I determine to be a "bad guy" with a single well placed shot... (hunting basically, but people rather than animals) THEN it has, in that instance, become an AR sniper rifle.
Here endeth the lesson.
Now, if I go hunting with it, and bring home a deer, it's not a sniper rifle.
The taking of human life is what makes it a sniper rifle. However HOW you do it matters. If I'm out clearing the streets of rif-raf like Sir Kyle of Kenosha, it's not a sniper rifle.
If I lie in a hide, waiting, watching, biding my time, then take out a person who I determine to be a "bad guy" with a single well placed shot... (hunting basically, but people rather than animals) THEN it has, in that instance, become an AR sniper rifle.
Here endeth the lesson.
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You have good points but I think there is a definition of what a sniper rifle is - effective range, sub moa, etc. I met a guy at a shooting range who was using his ar15 as a sniper rifle and his only problem with it was to avoid shooting in windy conditions.
If I let you guys define things we could issue M16A2s to snipers and save a ton of money.
If you seriously have to ask that, then you should STFU. And just watch and read around this site. Until you actually learn the "vibe" of this site.
Hi,
An inanimate object cannot be anything other than an inanimate object.
Give buffalowinter and others like him a damn lever action 30/30 and it can become a sniper rifle.
Give that same rifle to Elmer Fudd and it cannot be a sniper rifle.
Give a Ruger 10/22 to specific Unit in Israel and it can become a sniper rifle (They have an entire Sniper MOS dedicated to nothing but the 10/22).
Give a Ruger 10/22 to the late Tom Knapp and it cannot be a sniper rifle.
There are no such thing as sniper rifles just as there are no such thing as assault rifles....inanimate OBJECTS cannot perform a task.
Sincerely,
Theis
An inanimate object cannot be anything other than an inanimate object.
Give buffalowinter and others like him a damn lever action 30/30 and it can become a sniper rifle.
Give that same rifle to Elmer Fudd and it cannot be a sniper rifle.
Give a Ruger 10/22 to specific Unit in Israel and it can become a sniper rifle (They have an entire Sniper MOS dedicated to nothing but the 10/22).
Give a Ruger 10/22 to the late Tom Knapp and it cannot be a sniper rifle.
There are no such thing as sniper rifles just as there are no such thing as assault rifles....inanimate OBJECTS cannot perform a task.
Sincerely,
Theis
Well said.
This is what you’re after
Buck up buttercup. We’ll make a sniper of you yet.
Buck up buttercup. We’ll make a sniper of you yet.
. At least he has a Sholt scope.I agree that there is no such thing as "assault rifle". That is ridiculous plus where I am coming from most people are assaulting each other with an ax. I guess it's more fun for them. I also admit that a definition of sniper is pretty loose . In oxford dictionary: a person who shoots at someone from hidden position. There is no definition of "sniper rifle" in a reputable distionary. Some amateur dictionaries try to give one but trust me - you will not like it
I still think that in people's mind "sniper" rifle in most cases is associated with a weapon that is capable of hit the target at a reasonably long distance with a higher accuracy and usually from a stationary hidden position.
I still think that in people's mind "sniper" rifle in most cases is associated with a weapon that is capable of hit the target at a reasonably long distance with a higher accuracy and usually from a stationary hidden position.
by the way.
Could you give us some advice on a sniper axe?
Could you give us some advice on a sniper axe?
Sniper axe. Seminoles are the experts there. Dont give them any alcohol before talking about sniper axes.
While the pedants that insist that any rifle wielded by a sniper could be called a sniper rifle, militaries have a long tradition of building and designating “sniper rifles.” For example...
“a slightly modified Remington Model 1903A3 bolt-action rifle was adopted in early 1943 as the “U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1903A4, Snipers...”
“... Two prototype Garand sniper rifles designed to mount a scope on the left side of the receiver were eventually selected and differed primarily in the configuration and placement of the scope base and mount. The first design, designated as the “M1E7...”
Otherwise, the rifle’s configuration remained unchanged. The rifle was eventually adopted on July 27, 1944, as the “U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1C, Snipers.”
“The other design was the “M1E8,” which featured a base permanently attached to the rear of the barrel. The barrel-mounted base was designed to accept a scope mount with a large knurled knob that permitted the scope to be quickly removed. The M1E8 base and mount were designed by John Garand. The design was eventually adopted as the “U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1D, Snipers.”
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These are not the only examples, or the oldest examples, or the newest examples, and this phenomenon is not unique to the US military.
While I have no doubt that a sniper could make good use of a Henry lever action rifle, that does not make the Henry a sniper rifle. However, being designed, built, and designated as a“Sniper Rifle” by the military does. “Sniper” is not a transitive property. Wielding a sniper rifle does not make you a sniper, and being trained as a sniper does not make your rifle a sniper rifle.
“a slightly modified Remington Model 1903A3 bolt-action rifle was adopted in early 1943 as the “U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1903A4, Snipers...”
“... Two prototype Garand sniper rifles designed to mount a scope on the left side of the receiver were eventually selected and differed primarily in the configuration and placement of the scope base and mount. The first design, designated as the “M1E7...”
Otherwise, the rifle’s configuration remained unchanged. The rifle was eventually adopted on July 27, 1944, as the “U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1C, Snipers.”
“The other design was the “M1E8,” which featured a base permanently attached to the rear of the barrel. The barrel-mounted base was designed to accept a scope mount with a large knurled knob that permitted the scope to be quickly removed. The M1E8 base and mount were designed by John Garand. The design was eventually adopted as the “U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1D, Snipers.”
An Official Journal Of The NRA | The M1C Garand Sniper Rifle
When the U.S. Army sought a sniping rifle based on the M1 Garand at the end of World War II, the M1C, with its offset scope, was delivered in small numbers. Never the best solution, the M1C performed adequately in post-war service and remains one of the most highly prized American military rifles.
These are not the only examples, or the oldest examples, or the newest examples, and this phenomenon is not unique to the US military.
While I have no doubt that a sniper could make good use of a Henry lever action rifle, that does not make the Henry a sniper rifle. However, being designed, built, and designated as a“Sniper Rifle” by the military does. “Sniper” is not a transitive property. Wielding a sniper rifle does not make you a sniper, and being trained as a sniper does not make your rifle a sniper rifle.
In the Red Army they would just fire a big bunch of Mosin rifles and select those with tighter groups, then fire more from that selection, narrow down their choice, attach scopes and give them to the snipers. Mosins made in Finland was a different story.While the pedants that insist that any rifle wielded by a sniper could be called a sniper rifle, militaries have a long tradition of building and designating “sniper rifles.” For example...
“a slightly modified Remington Model 1903A3 bolt-action rifle was adopted in early 1943 as the “U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1903A4, Snipers...”
“... Two prototype Garand sniper rifles designed to mount a scope on the left side of the receiver were eventually selected and differed primarily in the configuration and placement of the scope base and mount. The first design, designated as the “M1E7...”
Otherwise, the rifle’s configuration remained unchanged. The rifle was eventually adopted on July 27, 1944, as the “U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1C, Snipers.”
“The other design was the “M1E8,” which featured a base permanently attached to the rear of the barrel. The barrel-mounted base was designed to accept a scope mount with a large knurled knob that permitted the scope to be quickly removed. The M1E8 base and mount were designed by John Garand. The design was eventually adopted as the “U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1D, Snipers.”
An Official Journal Of The NRA | The M1C Garand Sniper Rifle
When the U.S. Army sought a sniping rifle based on the M1 Garand at the end of World War II, the M1C, with its offset scope, was delivered in small numbers. Never the best solution, the M1C performed adequately in post-war service and remains one of the most highly prized American military rifles.
These are not the only examples, or the oldest examples, or the newest examples, and this phenomenon is not unique to the US military.
While I have no doubt that a sniper could make good use of a Henry lever action rifle, that does not make the Henry a sniper rifle. However, being designed, built, and designated as a“Sniper Rifle” by the military does. “Sniper” is not a transitive property. Wielding a sniper rifle does not make you a sniper, and being trained as a sniper does not make your rifle a sniper rifle.
I personally am not a fan of the 5.56 for longer range accuracy however, heavier grains aside, it can get the job done. What one needs to determine is what the effective range is going to be under most type scenarios. Because of this, I prefer a heavier caliber but 400 meters and under, 5.56 is adequate with higher probabilities
Interesting. What calibers do you prefer? 6.5 creedmoor? If I go fot that caliber in AR, I feel like the best craftsmanship and value in the target range. $2,500 may be Daniel Defense. Build vs buy? I would be willing to build an AR15 but not AR10.
Well, I was sorta responding to the others...
We've been picking up some gems lately.
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Dude, you're like 15 years old...and obviously in a foreign country that doesn't have english as it's native language.
If allowed to stay here at all, you should read for about another year before you post any more shit.
Wrong advice, Mr Experienced and Wounded in Combat. There is a whole section in this forum Stupid Marksmanship Questions where newbies like me should post. That's where I am migrating with my questions. There should be less rude people there.
Get the fuck out of here you little cocksucker. You think you are the first cute little cunt to come round here?
Bro...I use it humanely for small critters and cull deer. I never said it was a good hunting round. 77 gr is good. I use various .30 cals for larger things.
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Many countries are predominantly jungle and tropical woodland. Many/most shots do not exceed 600 yards. This is a contemporary (September 2020) photo (the troops are American allies, the rifle and spotting scope were not painted/cammie'd for the press photo spread):
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Thanks. I think there may be one already? I know ar15.con has a one going at over 1k pages long. I skimmed through it while building mine. There’s a lot of smack talking so it’s a hard read.
You've given zero feedback to let anyone help you, you're just dropping whatever cool guy data your internet search comes up with. If you are really here to learn you've got an off the wall way of trying to do it. How many people have asked you what you're trying to do and you totally ignore them? Go troll somewhere else...Monday though, because I'm not to busy this weekend and you're more entertaining than looking at the news for now.
Remember back in the days when people who joined the site and started asking stupid questions would get brutally excoriated, tarred and feathered, and ridiculed to the point they would either leave quietly or get the hint and shut up and actually read threads? 
Remember back in the days when people who joined the site and started asking stupid questions would get brutally excoriated, tarred and feathered, and ridiculed to the point they would either leave quietly or get the hint and shut up and actually read threads?
This is the kinder softer accepting hide now. Should rename the pit the teddy bear pit
You may have good points but the problem is that in reality I need more information to determine what I really want. Sometimes I am getting information that is contradictory or all what I want is impossible in one rifle. I can make another attempt though:
1. Rifle that reasonably accurately shoots factory ammunution to up to 1000 yards.
2. High quality craftsmanship and good looks.
3. High reliability.
4. Good value (is not the same as low price).
#2 would probably exclude PSA and other cheap options. Being inexperienced, I would not dare to build (unless it's just joining upper to lower and attaching a stock) or reload. So my newbie mind in now hovering between S&W M&P and Daniel Defense based on what I am reading. But I am still not sure. I made mistakes in the past (Beretta B85, Beretta Cougar, YHM AR15) and would prefer to avoid them in sniper rifle decision.
Okay we can work with this. Just fill in some blanks.
1. What do you consider acceptable accuracy at 1000 yards with factory ammo? Part two, what are you capable of shooting (there’s no point in wanting a 1/2 MOA gun if you’re a 2 MOA shooter)
2&3 Are redundant in my opinion but I would value reliability first. You’ve mentioned cool looks many times, what would you consider not acceptablely cool? We’re talking about an AR so you can make it whatever you want.
4. You have threads about under 2k, 1k, this is the “AR sniper” rifle. Value isn’t something you can put a number on until you define #1&2.
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I disagree. A more accurate gun is easier to learn on. Can’t blame the gun that way
I disagree. A more accurate gun is easier to learn on. Can’t blame the gun that way
You are right about 2 and 3 the way it is written above - quality and reliability go close together. Instead of quality I should have put attention to detail= more labor intense product= more expensive (KAC staff is a good example). I consider myself an average shooter at best. In the military training I was in the upper 10% of the unit by accuracy scores but I doesnt mean much now because 1. I was much younger
2.I always despised AKM - its not an accurate weapon but works well for peasants. If you tell me that in my situation I need 2 tools, 1 bolt action rifle for up to 1000 yards in 6.5 creedmor and if I want an AR10 (and I very much do want one) I should have it in .308, shoot it at. up to 400 yards and possibly ease up my accuracy requirements as not very useful - I will not disagree with you. There is nothing wrong with having 2 more rifles when they serve different purposes. I still would be struggling with the question what AR model to pick.
Thanks for asking but it's not for sale.
Then why post it? I feel like I paid for a happy ending, but I’m not happy.
Are you reserving it for TheGerman?
You’re a racist.
Now I am American as an apple pie but I grew up in the USSR and lived in Moscow. My military training classes were actually accross the street from the Kremlin.
Hi,
OK, I will play....
What year(s) was your military training across the street from The Kremlin?
What training academy are you referring to in regards to your attendance?
Also "The" is capitalized when referencing The Kremlin...figured you would know that though.......
Sincerely,
Theis
OK, I will play....
What year(s) was your military training across the street from The Kremlin?
What training academy are you referring to in regards to your attendance?
Also "The" is capitalized when referencing The Kremlin...figured you would know that though.......
Sincerely,
Theis
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"...it was not until he looked back, that he recognized that particular point in time, was in fact, the beginning of the end."
The capitalized is a typo. I am making a lot of typos because my fingers are too big for this cell phone. The training was in 1980s but I was specializing on a different NATO country. I know very little about US military and when I talk to my American friends who are ex military (usually colonel or above) we never discuss military subjects or politics. My military training was very specialized.
Where's that supposed to be? We have vegetation like that right near me, both on the US mainland and on a couple of the islands just offshore.Many countries are predominantly jungle and tropical woodland. Many/most shots do not exceed 600 yards. This is a contemporary (September 2020) photo (the troops are American allies, the rifle and spotting scope were not painted/cammie'd for the press photo spread):
Yet another thread started by someone who thinks a few thousand hours playing call of duty makes him an expert. How the hell are there two pages of responses to this drivel?
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