Hi,
Disclaimer--MATCH OUTSIDER.
Are you guys saying that a shooting organization can and has dictated to a privately owned range that they cannot hold another shooting organizations events??
We need every range in the USA holding as many events as possible in order to grow the shooting world as a whole rather than attempting to grow a singular crop.
What a range owner does with HIS facility should damn sure be open to whatever he wants to do with it. Why would any shooting organization think they actually control a range based off "allowing" that range to hold 1 or 2 of their sanctioned events?
Or I am completely missing something here?
Sincerely,
Theis
nah you hit the nail on the PRS headHi,
Disclaimer--MATCH OUTSIDER.
Are you guys saying that a shooting organization can and has dictated to a privately owned range that they cannot hold another shooting organizations events??
We need every range in the USA holding as many events as possible in order to grow the shooting world as a whole rather than attempting to grow a singular crop.
What a range owner does with HIS facility should damn sure be open to whatever he wants to do with it. Why would any shooting organization think they actually control a range based off "allowing" that range to hold 1 or 2 of their sanctioned events?
Or I am completely missing something here?
Sincerely,
Theis
Having shot USPSA for 15+ years this is new to me. This must be a local rule. None of the matches I have participated in the West, Alaska, and Hawai'i require membership to compete.Shot local and area matches. Haven't shot one in about a year and a half so maybe it changed but they even said it at matches. New shooters can shoot one or two matches but then have to join.
I’m gonna post this pic again. Because it cannot be stressed enough that the rules give this intent, but then allow a $5k setup before accessories in the class with this intent written out.
We all joke about about don’t be poor, this, that, and the other. But allowing a $5k setup is anything but geared towards the people they claim.
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As @Dthomas3523 said, the best way to limit production is to cap the price on accessories. If you're running a $2.5k rifle but $7k on accessories, it kind of defeats the purpose. Many shooting organizations do this by limiting the amount of "modifications" to a production gun you can have, most modifications are mostly aesthetic or control based (grip tape, for example).
Why even have a production class in these high level national matches? There really isn't many "new" shooters taking advantage of it anyway. Why not just let Doug and Ruger hot rod the fuck out of a RPR and compete in Open? That would look killer for Ruger to have Doug hitting top 10 using their rifle as a base, especially against custom builds. It would lend legitimacy to the product even if it's not stock. Nobody keeps these production rifles stock for long.
Look at the Pro/Am's. They seem wildly popular and probably pull in more new shooters than any of the other large 2-day matches. Do more of those, pull in sponsors and exhibitors. Seems they're focused on this one area of income and it seems like a huge pain in the ass.
My concern isn't that they're trying to make money, good for them, they should be making money and furthering the sport. My issue is that they keep getting sucked into this drama that makes the whole sport look bad. How many years go by before they clean it up into something people actually want to participate in.
it's magical where the new leopold mark5 5-25 reticle is price wise. somehow all thet R&D time actually made the scope cheaper
I wonder what we'll find out from the NRL hunter competitions. With their Weight Cap I think it makes using a true factory/production rifle more interesting for beginners. Still, not many of them are going to pony up and compete but a weight class does somewhat limit accessories.
yeah out of $200 a scope. looks like the MAP on the new reticle equals MSRPAnd for nothing as the cap is now $2500.
Kinda screwed leupold a bit. Lol.
i haven't seen one way or another whether a plate needs to be mounted on the rifle for weight or just bipod and slingWeight is before accessories.
But you have to carry everything with you.
But you have to carry everything with you.
wouldn't bother meIMHO would be interesting to make people shoot with their ruck on
i haven't seen one way or another whether a plate needs to be mounted on the rifle for weight or just bipod and sling
muzzle brake/can excluded? thats super gamey to do though and good luck with zeroPer this definition, the rifle is only barrel, trigger, action, stock, and scope. And needs to be attached which would include rings and stuff like trigger pins and such.
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muzzle brake/can excluded? thats super gamey to do though and good luck with zero
Open Class: 24LBS Weight Limit, Anything Else Goes, if they limit calibers like no 338, okay fine, include the 3200fps Max speed.
Limited Class: 19LBS Weight Limit, 26" barrel including aftermarket, Factory Ammo, 3200fps Max
end of the story, there is no reason to limit a scope's cost or limit accessories, you use the final weight limit to fix that.
Open the door to anyone to enter, both classes are then open to anybody within those specs.
You max the weight to include rifle as shot, you can drop a scale at the registration, stand the rifle on the scale, registration assigns your class, simple. heck have the scale at a stage and weight the rifle on a stage prior to shooting it, so you can test max weight during the match, so people can't add stuff later
Hi,
In regards to drawing new shooters..
Do any of the matches in any series have outfitted rifles from any of the sponsors that a new shooter can borrow/rent for that match?
Sincerely,
Theis
Minuteman Precision Rifle League up in New England has 2.Hi,
In regards to drawing new shooters..
Do any of the matches in any series have outfitted rifles from any of the sponsors that a new shooter can borrow/rent for that match?
Sincerely,
Theis
Minuteman Precision Rifle League up in New England has 2.
Savage Elite Precision with Tango6 scopes and Atlas Bipods
New from RRS the Dovetail mounted Anchor(tm), weighing in at just 10lbs, drop this on top of your schmedium game changer and free recoil your way to production wins!Weight is stability,
if you can add weight outside of the rules, meaning 20LBS with just rifle scope and stock, why can't I use the MPA Weight system after to put it back? If accessories dont' count, weights become an accessory. The limit has to be how you engage the stage.
You make weight a factor of "As Shot", you can then say, bags that attach are not counted. So a plate or a bag that arca's on the rifle is not included. But that you make a nylon component. Or a bag limit component, 1 rear bag, 1 pillow, 1 support bag, etc.
Maybe a way to solve this is to introduce a list of rifles approved in Production Class, updated every season. This is similar to what USPSA does in their Production class. Having said that, even an organization like USPSA is not without its drama. This story reads exactly like many USPSA/IDPA/IPSC podium changes in the past due to technicalities in the rules. At the end of the day, I don't mind paying membership fees to an organization that continues to promote the sport as a whole.
Hi,
In regards to drawing new shooters..
Do any of the matches in any series have outfitted rifles from any of the sponsors that a new shooter can borrow/rent for that match?
Sincerely,
Theis
I just think simplier is easier, fewer rules, less room to game them.
For sure a Hunter Class vs a Production class would be a better call, do Open and Hunter for all I care, less is this case is better as I said before,
Heck, do an Open, Limited, Hunter as long as each division is simple
Especially in production class, looking at each other like Cinderella's sisters, casting shade on the other gun, their pricing, how available it is....That would be too easy,
I sure "what gun" was shot was no surprise the first morning, as if.
The PRS Rimfire Series presented by Ruger is taking off with over 50 clubs across the nation and we have only just begun!