Interesting read on the decline of religious faith in children.
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that's not natural law. That's savagery, which by the way, was how a lot of religious folks behaved because their God 'told' them that they could kill non-believers because they were, well, non-believers. Look up Christopher Hitchens on his explanation of why you don't need religion for morality. He can say it far better than i.
Im honestly confused. How did you come to know character of jesus without the corresponding religious text?
And one can read a bible without having to conform to religion. One can even be saved without religion.. can’t do it without Jesus though.
But is it safe to say you follow the teachings of the character portrayed as jesus in the christian bible?
I don't know what that means - "I'm your huckleberry". My wife beating question was an example of a leading question. Your question of killing babies seemed really odd to me. Are you asking my views of abortion? If so, yes, in certain circumstances, I think it's permissable to abort the pregnancy. A raped women shouldn't have to bear the child. If the life of the woman is at stake then yes, she has to the right to live. I don't agree with too much else in regards to 'it's my body'. I do believe a fetus is an individual but circumstances are important too.
I do wonder hoever about people who are ardently against abortion but would shoot a thief. As though stealing a TV is justification for killing but 'a baby would ruin my life and I'd be an awful mother and would probably ruin the baby's life' is somehow not worthy of consideration...
life is messy. but a deity provides comfort through arbitrary conditions and rules.
I do wonder hoever about people who are ardently against abortion but would shoot a thief. As though stealing a TV is justification for killing but 'a baby would ruin my life and I'd be an awful mother and would probably ruin the baby's life' is somehow not worthy of consideration...
life is messy. but a deity provides comfort through arbitrary conditions and rules.
I have. Several times. And it was one of the primary reasons why I left religion, and I am a better person for it.
I have, for years.
I was. For years.
Do you need my real name? or is my SH forum name good enough? Could be a lot of chrome's out there.
There is no absolute standard. To suggest there is or even should be, is naive. Norms and perceptions of right/wrong change. As they should, because our societies evolve and change as our science and philosophies do so. It used to be 'wrong' for a woman to work, to work on a Sunday, to do any number of things, but now, we don't even think about them as moral items at all.
If you want to live in an unchanging, unevolved exitence then the Taliban are here for you...
Didn’t mean to get so defensive. Your comment was implying I committed said action probably for dramatic effect.
The baby killing thing is a sign of the times and shows the moral decay in society kinda like the romans. This constant predictable decline of society witnessed across different cultures and timelines to me puts any idea of morals and humans in check at least in my mind. I am opposed to killing babies but have no problem with anyone shooting a thief. Sounds like I was just the moral conundrum you were looking for.
Do you not see already how so many left leaning are perfectly content to round people up for nothing more than 2a support, or supporting the president, and throw them in “re-education camps? Do you not see this as a problem due to declining morals and dadless kids?
It only matters if you think my prayer might be more effective with your name. I have seen prayers answered and know God has a sense of humor by how he has answered at times.
Power of prayer has been scientifically proven fyi
Please provide links to peer reviewed studies that demonstrate a deity answering a prayer.
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That has been explained and laid out in this thread several times. Dont ask me 'where?'. If youre really interested to learn, go back and read it through.
If you cant find it then as suggested above, ask God, or whatever you choose to call it, to reveal itself to you n whatever fashion you are able to grasp it. Then wait.
Well now. Since we're talking about prayer, the only legitimate peer review would come from men and women of the cloth. Do you really want me to quote these folks and their studies on the benefit of prayer?
I see an equal and perhaps even more acute moral decline in a global 'church' that protects as it's first priority the vast number of pedophiles in its ranks. The pastors who openly and wantonly prey on the fears and gullibility of the masses for their 'gifts' and get rich accordingly, I see an abject vacuum of decency and integrity in mega-chuches backing a serial adulterer who is remorsless and boasts of sexual assault and procaliming him "God's choice of president". I see the total lack of ability to live by the very tenets of their own religion while they bray that I should live under them too because 'this is a Christian country...".
Tell me the time where things were 'right' and 'good'. I don't know of such a time.
Why would people of the cloth only be the legitimate peer review? There are people of faith and religious individuals who are physicians and healthcare providers who would be equally interested, if not more, in the influence of prayer on recovery of patients.
That wasn't the genesis to my question asking for more clarification. It was trying to understand how he arrived at the belief of a chrisitian god without adopting the religious text.
I just found your problem. Same as mine. Your looking in all the wrong places.
Gods not in those churches. God can be talked to right now, right where you sit. If you stop and listen you will hear more than any sinner in a world of sin could tell you. Ask him to put people in your life. If you got the balls tell him if he is real to show you. Demand in the name of jesus that your eyes are wide open.
I wasnt kidding when I told you I believe God has a sense of humor. He created me. Be careful what you ask for and how you ask it.
Often and regularly I remember this from bible school, bible study, and from the bible itself.
But obviously, as someone who sees the bible as non-divine nor inspired by a deity, I reject the claims it makes until further evidence is presented.
So without using the bible, where does that leave us?
Why retract from an honest question? I am trying to understand your position.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Why is god so chatty with you, and not the rest of us, including those who are searching?
No big weight for me. Not anymore.
But I'll re-invite you answer my previous question.
He is always talking. It’s us that have to learn how to listen. It’s not like I go on walks in the cool of the garden with him.
When you pray for overcoming your triggers is he just gonna take them from you? Or is he gonna put situations in your path?
Were does that leave us? That question? Right where we’ve started?
There’s a seed in all the shit. But it needs more to grow.
I will encourage you to remember the things you read in revelation like the coming one world gov. If you start to see these things and no one with conviction of God is left around then perhaps the Bible might warrant another glance?
Agreed. Unfortunate but expected.
Not sure of your metaphor. What is the shit?
I remember the book vividly, as it is one of the more hilarious and crazy books the kings of history decided to include in the bible. Always made for a good laugh.
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His sheep know his voice John 10:26-28.
@chrome and @MadUtdmaniac are doing this far more eloquently than I could, but your scripture has no meaning.
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Thank you for proving my point.
The Taliban would set me on fire for believing in my God.
My God left the throne room of heaven, submitted to human existence and torture and death to save them same as me.
Some of those former Taliban are actually being saved.
Ex-Taliban Executioner Struggles to Believe Jesus Can Love Even Him
A former Taliban executioner who turned away from jihadism could not understand how Jesus could love him, a ministry shared, before he finally found peace
www.christianpost.com
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I keep asking for him to help me with this midget clown porn but it just ends up on my browser every time!!!
That is a GREAT question. And the honest answer, for anyone thinking rationally is: We don't know.
And that is ok to say I/we dont know.
What is irrational is to make the huge olympic gymnast mental backflip and insert X deity exists without good evidence, then try to prove Y religion is the deities specific religion without good evidence, and then ultimately conclude X + Y = how the universe started (Z).
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For something you have admitted to knowing nothing about...you are awfully sure.
I know how the earth was created. You establish you don’t know but your wording implies because you don’t know I can’t possibly know. Or were you referring to all atheists and not all people with we?
does it make a difference?
i am not religious, and yet i am certain that "god" exists in people of faith, and motivates them to act in certain ways.
you can make as many arguments as you think you need to, but i don't see how you can deny that "god" has an effect on people and has a tangible presence in our world, which in my opinion makes god as real as anything.
god is love.
OK, when you quote the bible to me, as though it explains itself, when I don't believe what's in the bible, it's a circular argument. If these are the fake apostles, tell me who's genuine. Tell me how you know, for sure, they're not fake, and why do you know and those who follow the fakes, don't know. And what if Joel Osteen dies happy, old and fucking rich...?
Explain to me why the book says the fakes will get what they deserve, but when so so so many good people who live and die horribly, do so under this mysterious and indecipherable plan.
Something like this cannot be self-explanatory unless the requirement for faith is to be faithful blindly. And that, is where it ends for me. Because usual i'd be told to 'just have faith' by another human being and we're back to my first paragraph.
For me this has run it's course. It's been interesting, if unelightening with respect to my views upon entering the thread but I'm encouraged that we kept it civil the whole time.
