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Rittenhouse Trial

Man you need to settle down... I didn't go into all the possible aspects of this fictional case and this whole exercise is ridiculous.... that said, yes I do admit a particular bias against rapist. Of course, if the guy on trial did in fact kill the wrong guy, then he's going to prison for murder, OBVIOUSLY. Of course my initial statement took for granted that the rapist was in fact, who got killed, and that they rape was known and confirmed. You can literally take any statement from say "well what if this happened?" and then obviously the outcome would change. I mean hells bells, what if the guy who killed the rapist wasn't the real killer.....what then??? If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle....

(Not sure that joke works like it used to given the climate we find ourselves in...

I only added that part as really just a way to say that I agree in principle with the idea of deciding things based on whats honorable and right, but that it simply isn't a standard that can be applied in law.. Sorry it was so difficult for you to comprehend. I guess I could have typed out a longer version and nailed down every fact of of fictional case but I didn't, as I was simply illustrating that I identified with the notion of deciding things based on what's right.. You should either drink less or more.... not sure which, but good luck with all of your future fictional wrong guy got killed scenarios.
First my post was too ridiculous now I need to settle down when I make my point known.

YOU need to shut the fuck up.
 
I have to wonder if the whole show so far has been the prosecution's passive aggressive way of destroying the case because they know it was shit and they were stuck with it.

What we are seeing is a corrupt marxist government doing their best to pervert justice. Earlier in the trial prosecutor told the judge the state views Mr. Skateboard attacker as a hero. They also tried to argue that arson and rioting were basically school boys being school boys and does not contribute to fearing for your life when person doing those actions approaches you in a full sprint while cursing.

The prosecutors are intentionally lying. But let's assume they aren't and want to find justice for the situation. They should have backed down way earlier as witnesses & evidence contradict every claim of murder on Kyle's part.

They knew the video evidence shows true self defense before bringing charges, but they are lying about every situation to send Kyle to prison for decades because they want to set new legal precedent that makes self defense impossible. There is a reason Kenosha burned that week, because the local government let it happen.

The problem with this case is that lying doesn't work too well when there is 100% clear evidence showing the opposite of all the lies being told. It's exposing how corrupt they are. When the color blue is presented in evidence, the prosecutors will boldly claim it's yellow and spend all day arguing why it can't be blue. That's why it seems so silly to us watching. It's hard to believe they are lying on purpose to railroad Kyle, but it's actually happening.
 
The charges even happening were evidence of the railroad. There was too much evidence from too many angles seen by too many people for them to think this persecution would succeed.

If the prosecutors truly believe their story we all should thank God they are truly this crappy at their job.

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Example of how corrupt the DA who ordered this be done is:

PDF of screenshots of all the text messages between them
 
There is so much government corruption being exposed in this trial, there should be an investigation started immediately.
I'm not the first one to say it, but I'll repeat the statement.

There are two trials happening at the same time. One for Kyle and one for the corrupt prosecutors.
 
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I have to wonder if the whole show so far has been the prosecution's passive aggressive way of destroying the case because they know it was shit and they were stuck with it.

This is the type of trial that will make the career for this prosecutor if he gets a conviction. These types of trials can lead the State's Attorney job or higher. I doubt he is purposely trying to throw the trial.

But you'd never know it by his actions so far.
 
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There is so much government corruption being exposed in this trial, there should be an investigation started immediately.
What's more troubling still, this is what they are doing when they KNOW the whole country is watching. God only knows what all they have done and will do when no one is looking at them.

All of this illustrates how vitally important local elections are. What are the odds that the DA is one of the ones sorros put in office? The local politicians are typically the ones who rise to higher office too. Local elections matter a lot.
 
What the hell are you talking about??? Let's just all make up the laws as we go then right???? Try getting 12 people to agree on what's right and honorable. This is absolute LA LA land. The law provides how we are to judge things as a juror. We then use our good sense and the law provides for extenuating circumstances as well. Applying the law (which is made by who we elect by the way) is how its supposed to work. I don't want jurors to have the power to just decide if they think something is right or honorable. I want them to apply the law, otherwise, we don't have any rules to go by. That's a very nieve perspective.

Let me ask you this, do you think the social justice warriors or even the white females who keep electing politicians that suffer that nonsense, are going to have the same view of "what's right and honorable" as you and I do? (I feel sure that we would agree on every single individual circumstance on what is right and honorable). I'm also sure that there's a fair amount of folks out there who think taking what I have earned and giving it away to illegals, and Americans who are able and simply refuse to work "is right and honorable". I certainly do NOT feel that it is. We know there's plenty who think it's "right" to let boys dress up as girls and go in the girls bathroom with our daughters.... I sure as hell don't!

I could go on and on. This is why "right and honorable " is not a way to apply law.


That said, don't get me wrong here, if some dad kills a guy who raped his daughter in a fit of rage when he finds out and I'm on that jury.... he's going to walk.

You don’t want them to be able to nullify? Sorry the bill of rights doesn’t agree with you, 5A.

I find your faith in government and “law makers” troubling.
 
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You don’t want them to be able to nullify? Sorry the bill of rights doesn’t agree with you, 5A.

I find your faith in government and “law makers” troubling.
Where did I say that? Where did I make this statement about faith in government???? I have no idea what you're talking about. Expecting jurors to apply the law somehow translates to faith in government???? Bill of rights??? What are you talking about?
 
I have to wonder if the whole show so far has been the prosecution's passive aggressive way of destroying the case because they know it was shit and they were stuck with it.

Nope. Read all the crap being pumped out by the lying media plus all the stuff about how every civil servant in that town is related to one another from the mayor down to the postman. This is a genuine effort to convict Rittenhouse.
 
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What we are seeing is a corrupt marxist government doing their best to pervert justice. Earlier in the trial prosecutor told the judge the state views Mr. Skateboard attacker as a hero. They also tried to argue that arson and rioting were basically school boys being school boys and does not contribute to fearing for your life when person doing those actions approaches you in a full sprint while cursing.

The prosecutors are intentionally lying. But let's assume they aren't and want to find justice for the situation. They should have backed down way earlier as witnesses & evidence contradict every claim of murder on Kyle's part.

They knew the video evidence shows true self defense before bringing charges, but they are lying about every situation to send Kyle to prison for decades because they want to set new legal precedent that makes self defense impossible. There is a reason Kenosha burned that week, because the local government let it happen.

The problem with this case is that lying doesn't work too well when there is 100% clear evidence showing the opposite of all the lies being told. It's exposing how corrupt they are. When the color blue is presented in evidence, the prosecutors will boldly claim it's yellow and spend all day arguing why it can't be blue. That's why it seems so silly to us watching. It's hard to believe they are lying on purpose to railroad Kyle, but it's actually happening.

If this country doesnt unfuck itself those two dead will be the new Horst Wessels.

Commies and Nazis being equal.
 
I only added that part as really just a way to say that I agree in principle with the idea of deciding things based on whats honorable and right, but that it simply isn't a standard that can be applied in law.. Sorry it was so difficult for you to comprehend. I guess I could have typed out a longer version and nailed down every fact of of fictional case but I didn't, as I was simply illustrating that I identified with the notion of deciding things based on what's right.. You should either drink less or more.... not sure which, but good luck with all of your future fictional wrong guy got killed scenarios.
that isn't entirely correct, but i suppose there is an element of semantics at play here as far as application of the law, or simply ignoring it.

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What's more troubling still, this is what they are doing when they KNOW the whole country is watching. God only knows what all they have done and will do when no one is looking at them.

All of this illustrates how vitally important local elections are. What are the odds that the DA is one of the ones sorros put in office? The local politicians are typically the ones who rise to higher office too. Local elections matter a lot.

Hey they stole a Presidency with the whole world watching....whats the life of a 18 year old kid matter?
 
that isn't entirely correct, but i suppose there is an element of semantics at play here as far as application of the law, or simply ignoring it.

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Yes, of course there's a lot more to such a topic and it's not really possible to hash that out on a message board. A lot depends on the particulars, but that's why we have the jury of our peers as the group who interprets the facts of the case and renders a verdict. Of course, there isn't any system or set of laws, ect that are going to work perfectly all the time. The whole thing becomes so much harder when a society or a large element of that society decides to rewrite what is moral and what is ok. The destructive forces aimed at destroying families and destroying all of the moray 's and norms in our society are aiming at that for a reason. Those things are what holds society together, and once they are gone, there is no society left.... just a bunch of people easily controlled.
 
Yes, of course there's a lot more to such a topic and it's not really possible to hash that out on a message board. A lot depends on the particulars, but that's why we have the jury of our peers as the group who interprets the facts of the case and renders a verdict. Of course, there isn't any system or set of laws, ect that are going to work perfectly all the time. The whole thing becomes so much harder when a society or a large element of that society decides to rewrite what is moral and what is ok. The destructive forces aimed at destroying families and destroying all of the moray 's and norms in our society are aiming at that for a reason. Those things are what holds society together, and once they are gone, there is no society left.... just a bunch of people easily controlled.
true. while i am a fan of jury nullification (or incompetence) if it works in favor of a decision i prefer... \o/
as my examples demonstrate, these days i think it happens the other way around more often.
these days, some will flat out refuse to convict somebody they identify with, no matter what.
 
true. while i am a fan of jury nullification (or incompetence) if it works in favor of a decision i prefer... \o/
as my examples demonstrate, these days i think it happens the other way around more often.
these days, some will flat out refuse to convict somebody they identify with, no matter what.
Yeah sometimes nullification can happen but that isn't really what I was talking about as far as so many not being able to apply the law. That's when the jury doesn't think the law in question should be applied as charged, but yes there's a lot of semantics involved, which is why I made the statement about a rapist getting killed by the girls father in a rage when he just found out. I was making a point of that very issue. While the law (depending on several factors) may say that father is guilty (of course this assumes the rape was confessed or proven and that the enraged father in fact did kill the rapist (alleged rapist would be correct if the rape was in question), then I would be likely to be in favor of returning a not guilty verdict, thus nullifyng the law. This was the whole point. Apparently a few didn't catch that.

Edit: and yes, it looks like the nullification cutting the wrong way happens more often now days. Any society that has the moral issues that ours does isn't going to magically overcome that just because they are on a jury. Then there's the argument about if a jury should find guilty if the state doesn't prove its case??? More semantics....
 
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Yes. Normally, I would agree that's enough, because I think someone like myself would be able to compute that those clear facts, do indeed contradict the prosecutor's case. But over the last decade or so, I've developed a sense that many people no longer have that ability to discern; look at much of the nonsense we've seen online about this case where the objective video and facts already known, are completely ignored in favor of the "painted picture" that was spuriously drawn. It seems to me that many people are no longer capable of discerning these types of things from pure fact, but rather still need a very explicit counter-narrative picture drawn for them and that's what I'm left wondering if perhaps defense attorneys maybe need to do for possible jurors that are lacking this sense? Maybe I'm jaded or misjudging the average person because I'm becoming a cranky old guy that assumes, "all those youngin's are idiots, these days."

Get off my lawn!
Definitely not just youngins. I see more and more older people who are either clueless or have lost it. Society as a whole is less intelligent and i think its all in the programming. Its scary.
 
After that testimony, Gaige Grosskraut is pretty much down to one last, slim hope for any kind of monetary gain from all this: that Hamburger Helper might want to hire him to promote their product.
 
Horseshit

"every "Karen" we know would be shot dead"

.....if they start a fight with the homeowner and try to take their weapon instead of stopping and waiting for the police, who had been called, to arrive.


Or
if you're just an innocent rubbernecker, just tell them "hi, I'm your neighbor Joe Bob Smith or I'm a realestate investor or I'm looking to buy a house here how do like the neighborhood or Cool, I see you've got this neighborhood watch thing on lock or.......
I doubt if someone jumped out of a truck yelling and holding guns (WHILE YOU WERE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY) you would respond immediately with howdy my good man LOL.
If they get off every time someone mouths off at you or steps on your property you can pull a gun on them and hold them til police come??
Kyle is being targeted by the left and when you look at all the facts he isn't guilty of murder as self defense makes complete sense in his case, But when we defend the McMichaels it lessens the 2A side because we are now ignoring facts we don't like.
If they jumped out with guns yelling to stop and he pulled a piece and shot them both dead would you be saying he should walk with no charges??? because that IMHO would be WAY more reasonable than them hunting and killing him.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty???
 
I doubt if someone jumped out of a truck yelling and holding guns (WHILE YOU WERE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY) you would respond immediately with howdy my good man LOL.
If they get off every time someone mouths off at you or steps on your property you can pull a gun on them and hold them til police come??
Kyle is being targeted by the left and when you look at all the facts he isn't guilty of murder as self defense makes complete sense in his case, But when we defend the McMichaels it lessens the 2A side because we are now ignoring facts we don't like.
If they jumped out with guns yelling to stop and he pulled a piece and shot them both dead would you be saying he should walk with no charges??? because that IMHO would be WAY more reasonable than them hunting and killing him.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty???
Serious question. Are you of a low enough IQ that you'd grab a barrel that wasn't pointing at you, and yank it towards yourself?
 
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Serious question. Are you of a low enough IQ that you'd grab a barrel that wasn't pointing at you, and yank it towards yourself?
I would have shot them all well before it got to that point i can promise you that.
I like how the people on your side of the shooting are ignoring the fact that:
1 - He wasn't on private property when they approached him
2 - They had multiple vehicles chasing him
3 - He was chased for a while before the interaction happened he looked exhausted and out of options.
He tried to flee and they prevented that. at what point are they just flat out responsible for the entire thing?
 
I would have shot them all well before it got to that point i can promise you that.
I like how the people on your side of the shooting are ignoring the fact that:
1 - He wasn't on private property when they approached him
2 - They had multiple vehicles chasing him
3 - He was chased for a while before the interaction happened he looked exhausted and out of options.
He tried to flee and they prevented that. at what point are they just flat out responsible for the entire thing?
They aren't.
 
I have to admit, I knew this wasn't a good case for the prosecution, but I didn't realize it would present this horribly. They have stepped in it almost every day. It's to the point that I have, at times, felt pity for the prosecutors in the case.
 
Then who is?? Unless you have proof he committed a real crime beyond looking around a under construction house (THAT DIDN'T BELONG TO ANY OF THEM) what did he do to get ran down and confronted??
The low IQ burglar who yanked a gun that wasn't pointing at him, towards himself.
 
I have to admit, I knew this wasn't a good case for the prosecution, but I didn't realize it would present this horribly. They have stepped in it almost every day. It's to the point that I have, at times, felt pity for the prosecutors in the case.
It wasn't a good case in the beginning your right. I can't believe how wild it is turning out. Almost seems like they decided to prosecute the case just to shut the anti gun people up. And now they are making it look super ridiculous to drive it home.
 
I would have shot them all well before it got to that point i can promise you that.
I like how the people on your side of the shooting are ignoring the fact that:
1 - He wasn't on private property when they approached him
2 - They had multiple vehicles chasing him
3 - He was chased for a while before the interaction happened he looked exhausted and out of options.
He tried to flee and they prevented that. at what point are they just flat out responsible for the entire thing?
He could have just stopped, if he had no ill intentions. By continuing to run it made him look suspect. The men chasing didn’t just shoot him, the weapons were a deterrence, they did not fire until he actually attacked them. Them chasing after him was a direct result of him running out of that house. They didn’t want a potential criminal to get away. I dont see why aubery couldn’t stop and talk to the people questioning his presence in their neighborhood. Yes them chasing him crossed a line, but personally I have no problem with neighbors actively looking after one another. Yes , I could see how one could argue he felt threatened, but the men who had the numbers and weapons advantage never attacked him, chased but never attacked until he crossed that line.

I argue that if Aubrey had not attacked the armed men, they would not have shot him. This is not a Steven Seagal movie, one man unarmed, trying to attack and disarm 2 armed men, with a 3rd in pursuit is insanity and why he is dead. Regardless of the rule of law.

Also, I said something earlier that was incorrect, I thought aubery was wearing jeans out for a jog and he was not, my mistake. Caught up on some of the trials video evidence yesterday.