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LIVE: Returning to the Moon with ARTEMIS. LAUNCH RESCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 5, 2022 AT 5:00 PM

SilentStalkr said:
I admire the efforts but I have to admit that this is a little underwhelming and doesnt say much for us if this is the best we can do after 53 years since the first mission to the moon. I mean think about it, we should have incredible advancements in that amount of time, yet we don’t.
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Moreover... the engines for the are un-mothballed shuttle engines... 1970's technology. And instead of developing a new engine, they are 're-qualifying' new suppliers, etc. so they can start re-producing these engines. As most of the suppliers (even down to the steel mills and metals-suppliers) are no longer around or capable... they have to go out and find new suppliers for huge numbers of parts.

They won't even have a new 'qualification' engine done before next summer -- built with all new parts from new suppliers. So until then, they are just running on salvage shuttle engines.

Appalling! This whole thing is just a woke pile of garbage... and proving only that the U.S. Manufacturing Base is now so totally incompetent and bankrupt that we can't even supply 1970's technology any more. Because we don't have the industrial base.

Pathetic. The more I read about/hear about this 'program' the more of a total mess it looks like. Every time NASA's 'press liasions' and briefers open their mouths I facepalm. These idiots shouldn't be shooting off bottle rockets.

Wow. Just wow.

Sirhr
 
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I’m replying on a phone that fits in my pocket, via wifi access in my home, to a post made on the internet by someone that I don’t know, that very well could live in another state; and all of this communication occurs nearly instantaneously. The phone represents more in silico computational power than was employed by the entire Apollo program. I’m just addressing computation resources, but you are saying that advancements have been lacking?

Your argument is essentially “both Apollo and Artemis use rockets to achieve a successful mission to the moon, therefore this just ‘new day, same channel.’
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Actually almost all of those things are spinouts of the Space Program and advanced defense research. Because they pushed the envelope of technology and the spinoff technology from both have accelerated our technological growth at amazing rates.

But the more I look at Artemis, the more I see band-aids, recycled old rockets and a lot of blather about inclusion and woke.

I am 1000 percent for funding science that is bleeding edge and maybe too 'out there' to get corporate or investor interest. Then spin it off when it's mature enough to let capitalism take over.

But now all 'science' is junk and funding goes to prove the green hoax or is so layered in woke bullshit that it's not science. It is druidism.

I don't care what color the 'best' engineer is. Or scientist. Or mathematician. Or astronaut. As long as they are the best. If they keep up with this endless EEOC BS, they are simply going to put on bread and circus shows... and kill off a lot of astronauts. Because if the best aren't running the show, and it's being run by tokens of all types, then it's doomed to failure. And certainly won't produce any new world-changing science, technology and engineering.

Which Apollo most certainly did!

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Actually almost all of those things are spinouts of the Space Program and advanced defense research. Because they pushed the envelope of technology and the spinoff technology from both have accelerated our technological growth at amazing rates.

But the more I look at Artemis, the more I see band-aids, recycled old rockets and a lot of blather about inclusion and woke.

I am 1000 percent for funding science that is bleeding edge and maybe too 'out there' to get corporate or investor interest. Then spin it off when it's mature enough to let capitalism take over.

But now all 'science' is junk and funding goes to prove the green hoax or is so layered in woke bullshit that it's not science. It is druidism.

I don't care what color the 'best' engineer is. Or scientist. Or mathematician. Or astronaut. As long as they are the best. If they keep up with this endless EEOC BS, they are simply going to put on bread and circus shows... and kill off a lot of astronauts. Because if the best aren't running the show, and it's being run by tokens of all types, then it's doomed to failure. And certainly won't produce any new world-changing science, technology and engineering.

Which Apollo most certainly did!

Cheers,

Sirhr
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This!
 
Computational power is a lot better at solving problems in the virtual world than in the real world (and this is coming from a EE with SW experience). Problems in the physical world involve things like experience and competency and maybe most importantly continuity - the last of which has been woefully lacking in our space program for nearly 50 years. So this is not an area where Moore's Law should be expected to yield any substantial dividends.

I was privileged to visit the museum in Huntsville a half-dozen years ago and meet a guide who was one of the external tank insulation engineers on STS. He got forced out of the industry in the 90s and then dragged back in after Columbia and then put back out to pasture for a while and then brought back in for Constellation... and does anyone wonder why we haven't made progress for 30 years?!?

Either this exploration shit matters and we properly fund it with a lockbox or trust fund or whatever protects it from Congressional vultures, or we leave it to the private venture capitalists (who, make no mistake, are standing on the shoulders of giants). But let's stop playing jerk-off games with these programs every election cycle.

Oh, and Jonny Kim is an amazing human being that I'd point almost any kid towards and say, "be more like him".
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Moreover... the engines for the are un-mothballed shuttle engines... 1970's technology. And instead of developing a new engine, they are 're-qualifying' new suppliers, etc. so they can start re-producing these engines. As most of the suppliers (even down to the steel mills and metals-suppliers) are no longer around or capable... they have to go out and find new suppliers for huge numbers of parts.

They won't even have a new 'qualification' engine done before next summer -- built with all new parts from new suppliers. So until then, they are just running on salvage shuttle engines.

Appalling! This whole thing is just a woke pile of garbage... and proving only that the U.S. Manufacturing Base is now so totally incompetent and bankrupt that we can't even supply 1970's technology any more. Because we don't have the industrial base.

Pathetic. The more I read about/hear about this 'program' the more of a total mess it looks like. Every time NASA's 'press liasions' and briefers open their mouths I facepalm. These idiots shouldn't be shooting off bottle rockets.

Wow. Just wow.

Sirhr
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as you prob know better than most

we all bitch about NASA using older stuff etc

but if you look at the US budget spending on space on average over the past decade or so

NASA 20 billion
Air Force / DOD 25 billion

in the 60's space race the majority of budget dollars were combined as everyone worked on the same tech as can be imagined

now NASA is spending on telescopes, luner landers etc

personally as much as they spend i dont think the US is spending enough to allow NASA to create "all new stuff"
 
At this pace, Starship is going to test all it's engines, restack and make it into orbit before SLS. What a waste.
 
SLS and the other component programs (Orion and Artemis) are only a waste of money if you think they are supposed to actually produce something other than to keep the drones at the NASA field centers employed (and the centers themselves open).
 
SharpsNitro said:
SLS and the other component programs (Orion and Artemis) are only a waste of money if you think they are supposed to actually produce something other than to keep the drones at the NASA field centers employed (and the centers themselves open).
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The government itself becoming woke is also leading a lot of potential talent to seek growth elsewhere. SpaceX is literally on par with NASA in terms of facilities and scientists at the engineering drawing boards.

Like what @sirhrmechanic said above, affirmative action hires look good in virtue signalling circles, until you or somebody you love dies on an operating table because the affirmative action hire surgeon was spending valuable seconds flipping through textbooks because they don't know what they were supposed to do. Same with the aviation and space sectors. Lots of lives at risk because of unqualified and incompetent team members.
 
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Blue Sky Country said:
The government itself becoming woke is also leading a lot of potential talent to seek growth elsewhere. SpaceX is literally on par with NASA in terms of facilities and scientists at the engineering drawing boards.

Like what @sirh
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Hire the talent and the job will get done. Hire to make someone happy, you get what we have now.
 
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roostercogburn98 said:
Hire the talent and the job will get done. Hire to make someone happy, you get what we have now.
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Space X continually ranks up there as one of the highest desired company for potential employees. It was NASA for the longest time. Not only probably because of the wokism, does one really want to work for a place that has to go through all the BS gov bureaucracy?
 
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Seems like we should let Elon handle our celestial matters.
 
Bacarrat said:
Space X continually ranks up there as one of the highest desired company for potential employees. It was NASA for the longest time. Not only probably because of the wokism, does one really want to work for a place that has to go through all the BS gov bureaucracy?
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And all of the research being done at SpaceX are filtering directly into the civilian tech market as well. More powerful hobby drones with long battery lives and cameras that can spot a flea on a rat, batteries for laptops that can now run continuously up to 60+ hours while connected to the Internet, things like these are constantly being innovated due to all the cool shit that is being done in the SpaceX clean-rooms.
 
Jack's Dad said:
Seems like we should let Elon handle our celestial matters.
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I was reading somewhere the other day that NASA has basically 80% of it's launches scheduled with SpaceX now. The Boeing Starliner has been in development for years before Dragon and still hasn't been certified for human flight. I think NASA just awarded SpaceX more flights to the ISS then what is already planned.

I watch just about every Falcon 9 launch and still amazed that they land a rocket back on earth just about every single time. Last time they didn't was last November.
Blue Sky Country said:
And all of the research being done at SpaceX are filtering directly into the civilian tech market as well. More powerful hobby drones with long battery lives and cameras that can spot a flea on a rat, batteries for laptops that can now run continuously up to 60+ hours while connected to the Internet, things like these are constantly being innovated due to all the cool shit that is being done in the SpaceX clean-rooms.
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Plus Starlink. It was off to a rough start, but as more and more satellites go up, it's getting better and hopefully gen 2 satellites go up soon to make it even more reliable and faster. With the recent deal with TMobile, the system is basically going to turn all your cell phones into Sat phones.
 
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And apparently the "Skinny Jeans and Chevy Volt" set can't get it done yet again.... Glad I didn't drive 1200 miles to sit and watch a bunch of EEOC wonders try and figure out how a hose works. Maybe Kamala can give them some lessons.... "Here is a golf ball... here is a garden hose... now watch this!"

Heard that Tang has been removed from all space missions becaue it is associated with 1970's kids and their Toxic whiteness. Fizzy Grape Drank and chamomile tea will be going on the next moon mission.

Are they going to replace Starburst, the candy of astronauts, with Skittles, too? Starburst, the official candy of NASA since 1986... Oh and probably have to stock up on Ghirardelli pumpkin spice squares for the women astronauts.

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"Returning to the Moon"​

Are we really?
Just asking for a friend...
 
Bacarrat said:
I was reading somewhere the other day that NASA has basically 80% of it's launches scheduled with SpaceX now. The Boeing Starliner has been in development for years before Dragon and still hasn't been certified for human flight. I think NASA just awarded SpaceX more flights to the ISS then what is already planned.

I watch just about every Falcon 9 launch and still amazed that they land a rocket back on earth just about every single time. Last time they didn't was last November.

Plus Starlink. It was off to a rough start, but as more and more satellites go up, it's getting better and hopefully gen 2 satellites go up soon to make it even more reliable and faster. With the recent deal with TMobile, the system is basically going to turn all your cell phones into Sat phones.
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China is threatening to take them out...
 
Bacarrat said:
I was reading somewhere the other day that NASA has basically 80% of it's launches scheduled with SpaceX now. The Boeing Starliner has been in development for years before Dragon and still hasn't been certified for human flight. I think NASA just awarded SpaceX more flights to the ISS then what is already planned.

I watch just about every Falcon 9 launch and still amazed that they land a rocket back on earth just about every single time. Last time they didn't was last November.

Plus Starlink. It was off to a rough start, but as more and more satellites go up, it's getting better and hopefully gen 2 satellites go up soon to make it even more reliable and faster. With the recent deal with TMobile, the system is basically going to turn all your cell phones into Sat phones.
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crazy part is NASA had prototype rockets landing on their ass in the mid early 90's, i remember watching some videos...i could never understand why they stopped the project
 
Short-bus said:
I would love to have been there to hear that sucker in person. 8.8 million pounds of thrust, wow.

Branden
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Been really chomping at the bit to go down to South Texas to hear Starship take off. It has 16 million pounds of thrust with 33 Raptors lit.
 
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That was a long wait to see that hardware finally get launched. I worked on some of the propulsion hardware on the Orion and ESM. It will be interesting to see if the OMS engine on the ESM has any issues, back when I was working on the program everyone (NASA, ESA, LM, Airbus DS, etc.) thought the R-4D’s would need to be used as backup main propulsion.
 
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