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Food riots thread…and energy.

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This is coordinated. Guaranteed.
Yup. Create misery and then offer a solution with conditions. Textbook abusive relationship. We cheer when a woman finally kills the man who treats her like that. Certainly get forgetful when a uniform comes around to “see justice done” after the fact.
 
I helped built that while I was in college. It was built in Houston at a VERY SMALL building off 610/290. There was about 6 people working on it. Almost built a boat in a basement and couldn't get it out of the building.

Once it was out of the building we drove it up and down 290 while it as under construction back in 1974'ish. I think I still have some drawings and an original movie poster in a drawer somewhere. It has an Allison 6 speed bus transmission, articulation joint in the middle. The wheel assembly design was from an original Lockheed prototype that had a VW engine like an ATV.

The movie company never paid the bill on the vehicle, as I understand is normal for the movies, and a lawsuit followed. Last I knew it was in a warehouse in AZ somewhere but that was years ago.
now that is something. movie scared me as a kid...now it's laughable. that poor guy the cockroaches ate....he got it in star trek, 'wrath of khan' by bugs, too.
 
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More egg farms and processor plants burned by unknown sources.

Still relevant thread.

Post what you find.
 
Witnesses said grocery store employees were seen tossing meat and other perishable foods after a power outage at the store caused them to start to go bad, Fox 7 Austin reported.
sad part, is you can make more $$ grabbing 4 packages of steak at 12.99 a pound in 5 minutes; then you could working 8 hours that day.
Grab a bunch, and call you buddies for a BBQ; you're a hero :) , and make them bring the beer. lol
 
Price of Eggs, moved from another thread to prevent Hijacking ;)

thehill.com › homenews › 3847161-why-contraband-eggsWhy contraband eggs piling up at the US-Mexico border

3 hours ago · An outbreak of the disease is of the main reasons for the skyrocketing price of eggs nationally. The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports the average national price for a dozen eggs is
I call BS on this USDA
The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports the average national price for a dozen eggs is just under $3.40
Eggs are over 9 a dozen in my area, with Sam's club at 4.50. Where are eggs cheaper?
sam's club - 1 dozen limit, about 20 dozen left.. yes, I counted
COSTCO - NONE available.
and further to my point
Ready Wise Powdered Eggs on Midway went from 89 dollars for 144 servings to 189.00.
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And in OTHER news LOL
I'd like to know WHERE the prices are falling....

Wholesale egg prices have ‘collapsed.’​

Prices fell to $2.61 per dozen eggs on Monday — a 52% decrease from the peak around $5.43 on Dec. 19 and a 47% decrease from the beginning of 2023

 
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I hope this posting doesn’t ignite a storm of off-topic banter or generate any hard feelings; I only post it because this resource simplified and expedited my preparedness efforts. I haven’t reviewed all 28 pages of posting to see if it’s been mentioned yet, so didn’t see it talked about This is a little known resource for people looking to build an inventory of basic food items, and hence advancing their level of preparedness. I have no affiliation with this organization other than being a retail customer of theirs. I recommend their food storage products based on considerable personal use.

I live in New Hampshire and stumbled onto whats known as the Bishops Warehouse and LDS Pantry in Worcester, MA. It is run by the Latter Day Saints (The Mormons). Again, this is not a religious comment or endorsement of the church In any way. This is about The LDS Pantry, which is open to public. This LDS warehouse sells #10 cans of basic food commodities, packed in cases of six cans. They have about (20) different items ranging from dried beans, dehydrated apple slices, flour, pasta, rice, sugar, potato flakes…and more. I will specifically mention that the pricing is the best I’ve found when comparing to the big-box and warehouse guys. You’re not buying these products at premium prices like most prepper retailers. They even held their pricing as Covid raged-on.

They run these facilities throughout the US…so just check their website for a location near you. If one isn’t close enough, they also ship cases for a very reasonable price. I generally drive down directly and fill up my station wagon with about 30 cases at a time. I have also borrowed a friends PU to buy two pallets of cases when I orchestrated a group purchase.

The Worcester store is only open “to public” one day a week, so check the details before driving to one. The products due have some seasonal variations, and sometimes are out of stock. Please look at the order form for a current list of products and prices. I’ve personally tried all of their bulk products, and risk divorce if I bring any more home! Almost everything has a 30 year storage life if your basement is cool. At some point, I’m sure we’ll make a decision to either raise some pigs on the aging food-stores…or rotate and donate as they age.

About the only product I didn’t care for…was their pancake mix. My wife and I are both foodies….so a basic pancake mix is philosophically too much to endure, even during a pandemic or TEOTWAWKI. I will say that we use their canned flour to make our own recipe…but not the mix. The cases that we bought during the early days of Covid…I just donated to a local food pantry. Everything else continues to multiply in our basement…when my wife isn’t home of course.

Remember to take a strategic approach to accumulating a long term food supply. Now that the covid-panic has subsided a bit, you have time plan appropriately. Our objective was to engineer two years of self sufficiently for our family of four at a rate of 2000kcal/person/day.…plus 20% for barter. I’ll note that we also have chickens, greenhouse and garden space, and provisions for other small livestock (Pasture Pigs) when the time comes. GLTA…


Home Food Storage order form: https://providentliving.churchofjes...r/2023 Home Storage Order Form USA-Locked.pdf

LDS Storage Centers & Locations: https://providentliving.churchofjes...ge/home-storage-center-locations-map?lang=eng
 
I hope this posting doesn’t ignite a storm of off-topic banter or generate any hard feelings; I only post it because this resource simplified and expedited my preparedness efforts. I haven’t reviewed all 28 pages of posting to see if it’s been mentioned yet, so didn’t see it talked about This is a little known resource for people looking to build an inventory of basic food items, and hence advancing their level of preparedness. I have no affiliation with this organization other than being a retail customer of theirs. I recommend their food storage products based on considerable personal use.

I live in New Hampshire and stumbled onto whats known as the Bishops Warehouse and LDS Pantry in Worcester, MA. It is run by the Latter Day Saints (The Mormons). Again, this is not a religious comment or endorsement of the church In any way. This is about The LDS Pantry, which is open to public. This LDS warehouse sells #10 cans of basic food commodities, packed in cases of six cans. They have about (20) different items ranging from dried beans, dehydrated apple slices, flour, pasta, rice, sugar, potato flakes…and more. I will specifically mention that the pricing is the best I’ve found when comparing to the big-box and warehouse guys. You’re not buying these products at premium prices like most prepper retailers. They even held their pricing as Covid raged-on.

They run these facilities throughout the US…so just check their website for a location near you. If one isn’t close enough, they also ship cases for a very reasonable price. I generally drive down directly and fill up my station wagon with about 30 cases at a time. I have also borrowed a friends PU to buy two pallets of cases when I orchestrated a group purchase.

The Worcester store is only open “to public” one day a week, so check the details before driving to one. The products due have some seasonal variations, and sometimes are out of stock. Please look at the order form for a current list of products and prices. I’ve personally tried all of their bulk products, and risk divorce if I bring any more home! Almost everything has a 30 year storage life if your basement is cool. At some point, I’m sure we’ll make a decision to either raise some pigs on the aging food-stores…or rotate and donate as they age.

About the only product I didn’t care for…was their pancake mix. My wife and I are both foodies….so a basic pancake mix is philosophically too much to endure, even during a pandemic or TEOTWAWKI. I will say that we use their canned flour to make our own recipe…but not the mix. The cases that we bought during the early days of Covid…I just donated to a local food pantry. Everything else continues to multiply in our basement…when my wife isn’t home of course.

Remember to take a strategic approach to accumulating a long term food supply. Now that the covid-panic has subsided a bit, you have time plan appropriately. Our objective was to engineer two years of self sufficiently for our family of four at a rate of 2000kcal/person/day.…plus 20% for barter. I’ll note that we also have chickens, greenhouse and garden space, and provisions for other small livestock (Pasture Pigs) when the time comes. GLTA…


Home Food Storage order form: https://providentliving.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/providentliving/content/Home-Storage-Center/2023 Home Storage Order Form USA-Locked.pdf

LDS Storage Centers & Locations: https://providentliving.churchofjes...ge/home-storage-center-locations-map?lang=eng

That is a great rundown on a good basic, cheap resource.
That being said, I've been in the survival preparedness type thing for 40+ years and if you do this long enough you change your plan a lot from what most newer folks do.

First off on the above links, they have some decent stuff, BUT it's all pretty much just basic carbs and a bit of sugars (non-fat milk is pretty much worthless, it's what you feed pigs with the scraps). You are going to need lots of other stuff with proteins, fats and nutrients.
If you are going to be surviving, chances are you will be working hard, a diet of mostly heavy carbs isn't going to be nice to try to live on, you'll want a lot of protein and fat and vegetables and fruits to go with that.

In the 40+ years I've been into "survival food" including back when we were preparing to ride out the imminent nuclear winter, I've never once seen "the end of the world" or "the end of civilization" come up and as much as everybody threatens it, I'm going with, don't count on it.

What I have however lived through several times is situations where due to acts of nature or acts of man, going shopping for supplies was not an option for a couple days, for a week, for a month etc. Or lots of times recently when due to panics, the stores were simply pretty bare of anything you wanted to buy and tough luck on that. Or when temporary price spikes made you really not want to buy stuff.

BEFORE you go out and spend money on a bunch of "long term emergency food" that will probably take up space in your house until it expires and you have to throw it away (I'm about to have to ditch a pallet worth of stuff that is finally nearing it's expiration date after a couple decades in storage). Take a practical look at things.

Figure out what you actually eat every day, each week as part of your normal routine.
Then buy extras of everything and slowly build up to where you have a month or two stockpile of just your everyday stuff that you buy to eat and cook with (except fresh vegetables). Then make a simple numbering system to scribble on each item as you put it in the pantry and always stock back to front.
If you use a sack of rice every month or two, eventually have 2 or 3 sacks in the pantry etc.

Cheese and eggs usually last at least a month so make sure your fridge has close to a month supply in it.
Milk usually lasts a couple weeks, so have a decent stock if you use it.
Make sure to always be using the oldest one first.
With your meat, (assuming you aren't too crazy of a foodie and are happy with frozen meats like the rest of us), that can easily keep for 6 months or more, get a small freezer and start buying up meats when they are on sale, put them in freezer bags and store them in the freezer. Open that freezer once a week to restock your fridge freezer with the meat for the week and to put in the new meat you bought that week.

Invest in a nice quiet little Honda generator that is enough to power your fridge and freezer, and maybe a couple lights or fans as well.

Go buy the really good metal gasoline cans (the ones that are like $90 each), find out where the closest place that sells ethanol free gasoline is and buy some Stabilizer, then fill them up and once a year rotate them into your vehicles and refill. Don't go overboard because you'll find after year 1 or 2 that trying to rotate vast quantities is a pain in the ass. If you have 10 of the 5 gallon cans you probably have plenty.

If you have a grill, get a couple spare propane tanks for it and rotate through them.

Properly stored, fruits like apples and oranges will last almost a month, Potatoes and carrots last much longer, other vegetables may have a week or 2 shelf life or fridge life, so keep a stock of whatever fruit and vegetables you eat, to the extent that you easily use it all before it starts to turn.

Have a month or two worth of toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning products, household stuff, pet food, pet supplies, soaps, deodorants and all the stuff you normally buy. Have plenty of spare batteries for everything, but not too many to where you will be throwing them out in 10 years.
Bandaids, meds, asprins and common daily use supplies like that.

Have a couple big USB battery banks that you keep charged up so you can always charge your phones, tablets and laptops if the power is out.

Have enough guns and ammo that everybody in your family able to use one has a MSR they can operate easily and a pistol that works for them and 5 to 10 magazines for each and a couple hundred rounds for each.

Get a couple water filtration systems of different sizes, you don't need to spend a lot.

Buy some 5 gallon water storage jugs, but leave them empty usually (everybody knows to fill them if anything looks sketchy)
Buy some bottled water of whatever brand you like and store like a month's worth + a bit extra for cooking and rotate through it.

The above will get you through 90% of the situations you are likely to encounter in life.
In addition, you won't be loosing any money, as it's all stuff you will be using in your daily life and rotating through, so it never goes bad and once you have it setup, it costs no more to maintain than your normal weekly shopping budget. It also doesn't have to be done at once, so if your budget is tight, well you just slowly buy a few extra things at the store each week and build up your stocks as money permits.

THEN and only then, would I suggest you start worrying about stockpiling all the "long term survival food" for the end of the world & all the rest of the endlessly expensive preparedness stuff, most of which you will never use.
 
Chicken houses burn down everyday .
This is completely NORMAL you guys .
Nothing to see here ...........ohh look , it's a barroon !
 
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That is a great rundown on a good basic, cheap resource.
That being said, I've been in the survival preparedness type thing for 40+ years and if you do this long enough you change your plan a lot from what most newer folks do.

First off on the above links, they have some decent stuff, BUT it's all pretty much just basic carbs and a bit of sugars (non-fat milk is pretty much worthless, it's what you feed pigs with the scraps). You are going to need lots of other stuff with proteins, fats and nutrients.
If you are going to be surviving, chances are you will be working hard, a diet of mostly heavy carbs isn't going to be nice to try to live on, you'll want a lot of protein and fat and vegetables and fruits to go with that.

In the 40+ years I've been into "survival food" including back when we were preparing to ride out the imminent nuclear winter, I've never once seen "the end of the world" or "the end of civilization" come up and as much as everybody threatens it, I'm going with, don't count on it.

What I have however lived through several times is situations where due to acts of nature or acts of man, going shopping for supplies was not an option for a couple days, for a week, for a month etc. Or lots of times recently when due to panics, the stores were simply pretty bare of anything you wanted to buy and tough luck on that. Or when temporary price spikes made you really not want to buy stuff.

BEFORE you go out and spend money on a bunch of "long term emergency food" that will probably take up space in your house until it expires and you have to throw it away (I'm about to have to ditch a pallet worth of stuff that is finally nearing it's expiration date after a couple decades in storage). Take a practical look at things.

Figure out what you actually eat every day, each week as part of your normal routine.
Then buy extras of everything and slowly build up to where you have a month or two stockpile of just your everyday stuff that you buy to eat and cook with (except fresh vegetables). Then make a simple numbering system to scribble on each item as you put it in the pantry and always stock back to front.
If you use a sack of rice every month or two, eventually have 2 or 3 sacks in the pantry etc.

Cheese and eggs usually last at least a month so make sure your fridge has close to a month supply in it.
Milk usually lasts a couple weeks, so have a decent stock if you use it.
Make sure to always be using the oldest one first.
With your meat, (assuming you aren't too crazy of a foodie and are happy with frozen meats like the rest of us), that can easily keep for 6 months or more, get a small freezer and start buying up meats when they are on sale, put them in freezer bags and store them in the freezer. Open that freezer once a week to restock your fridge freezer with the meat for the week and to put in the new meat you bought that week.

Invest in a nice quiet little Honda generator that is enough to power your fridge and freezer, and maybe a couple lights or fans as well.

Go buy the really good metal gasoline cans (the ones that are like $90 each), find out where the closest place that sells ethanol free gasoline is and buy some Stabilizer, then fill them up and once a year rotate them into your vehicles and refill. Don't go overboard because you'll find after year 1 or 2 that trying to rotate vast quantities is a pain in the ass. If you have 10 of the 5 gallon cans you probably have plenty.

If you have a grill, get a couple spare propane tanks for it and rotate through them.

Properly stored, fruits like apples and oranges will last almost a month, Potatoes and carrots last much longer, other vegetables may have a week or 2 shelf life or fridge life, so keep a stock of whatever fruit and vegetables you eat, to the extent that you easily use it all before it starts to turn.

Have a month or two worth of toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning products, household stuff, pet food, pet supplies, soaps, deodorants and all the stuff you normally buy. Have plenty of spare batteries for everything, but not too many to where you will be throwing them out in 10 years.
Bandaids, meds, asprins and common daily use supplies like that.

Have a couple big USB battery banks that you keep charged up so you can always charge your phones, tablets and laptops if the power is out.

Have enough guns and ammo that everybody in your family able to use one has a MSR they can operate easily and a pistol that works for them and 5 to 10 magazines for each and a couple hundred rounds for each.

Get a couple water filtration systems of different sizes, you don't need to spend a lot.

Buy some 5 gallon water storage jugs, but leave them empty usually (everybody knows to fill them if anything looks sketchy)
Buy some bottled water of whatever brand you like and store like a month's worth + a bit extra for cooking and rotate through it.

The above will get you through 90% of the situations you are likely to encounter in life.
In addition, you won't be loosing any money, as it's all stuff you will be using in your daily life and rotating through, so it never goes bad and once you have it setup, it costs no more to maintain than your normal weekly shopping budget. It also doesn't have to be done at once, so if your budget is tight, well you just slowly buy a few extra things at the store each week and build up your stocks as money permits.

THEN and only then, would I suggest you start worrying about stockpiling all the "long term survival food" for the end of the world & all the rest of the endlessly expensive preparedness stuff, most of which you will never use.
Excellent post . The only thing I would add is the portable solar / power generators are starting to become very affordable.

For around $2000 you can get a unit that's big enough to run a freezer and some lights for 24-36 hrs with no imput from panels . Add a couple of panels - 300 to 400 watts and you can run it indefinitely with nice sunny days . But your are at the mercy of the sun and clouds .

They definitely have some advantages over gas but at the end of the day ., the only perfect solar system is one that is backed up by a gas generator (LOL).
 
Excellent post . The only thing I would add is the portable solar / power generators are starting to become very affordable.

For around $2000 you can get a unit that's big enough to run a freezer and some lights for 24-36 hrs with no imput from panels . Add a couple of panels - 300 to 400 watts and you can run it indefinitely with nice sunny days . But your are at the mercy of the sun and clouds .

They definitely have some advantages over gas but at the end of the day ., the only perfect solar system is one that is backed up by a gas generator (LOL).

If you have the money to be able to drop on one of those, it's a nice thing to have, also nice for if there is like a 5 to 12 hour power shutoff so you don't have to crank up the generator. But with solar panels worth anything for actual use (you'd need 2 to 4 big panels to have any hope of actual real output), you are pushing $3k+ The big power bank will have about a 1 to 3 thousand charge cycle life depending on the model / price and probably about a 5 year to 7 year lifespan.

That being said, I'd still advise folks to first go get like one of those little $1400 portable Honda EU2200is generators and a couple cans of stabilized ethanol free gasoline and an extra bottle of oil.

If you have a bit extra an electric hotplate, electric kettle and electric slow / muli cooker are nice options as well that could be run off either option in a pinch, to cook food indoors.
 
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W54/XM-388 et al; Thanks for covering so much more of the preparedness collage than I had time to give justice. Such a great overview, with enough depth to provide the foundation for a Newbie Action Plan (though I did go with the a long-run diesel generator to backup the solar…instead of a portable Honda). The preparedness commitment is really a lifestyle that involves your family and social networks.

I do however keep a tight lid with most friends and family, regarding the extent of our efforts. For most people, our “hobby farm”…greenhouses, orchards, barns, fields, timber, gardens, are a quixotical manifestation of our edible lifestyle; my wife and I are both ardent foodies at heart, and support the local community with about a thousand pounds of donated product per year.

I fully agree that a balanced nutritional plan is needed for sustainable health. I merely wanted to call attention to the products from the LDS Pantry…not implying that it was a complete solution, but a source for LTerm-packaged commodities at incredibly fair prices. After owning several restaurants and food service businesses, I really appreciate the utility of #10 cans. So many packaged foods are loaded with additives, preservatives, and other unwanted ingredients. I like having “the commodity“ that I can build on, rather than be loaded down with 8-10 grams of salt per day.

Great venue for honest conversations; thanks for letting me roll a couple of pennies. Warm Regards…enjoy the game Sunday!
 
just pass the cost off to the next person.. (if you can).
The farmer's are buying less fertilizer, producing fewer crops, selling the crops for more........ No soft landing in sight.
Best plant a garden this spring and get a few chickens.
As our nation prepares to ring in the new year, the U.S. Census Bureau projects the United States population will be 332,403,650 on Jan. 1, 2022. This represents a 0.21% increase in population or an additional 706,899 people since New Year's Day 2021

What this means is you need to prepare to out live 166,000,000 of your fellow Americans before things will get better.
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Hey no worries buddy it not going down. Your Fed. Gov. will just confiscate threw Taxation off your 401K, and continue keeping EBT afloat .
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They are notoriously poor managers and organizers. They will probably mess it up and end up with a bunch of people starving. Those people get pretty violent…
 
SEOUL, March 2 (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ordered improvements to infrastructure and expansion of farmland to ramp up food production, state media said on Thursday, amid warnings of an impending food crisis.
Kim gave instructions to revamp irrigation systems, build modern farming machines and create more arable land as he wrapped up the seventh enlarged plenary meeting of the ruling Workers' Party's powerful Central Committee on Wednesday.

The meeting began on Sunday to discuss the "urgent" task of improving the agricultural sector.
South Korea has warned of an mounting food crisis in the isolated North, including a recent surge in deaths from hunger in some regions, due in part to what it said was a failure of a new grain policy limiting private crop transactions.
North Korea's economy has been battered by floods and typhoons, sanctions over its nuclear and missile programmes, and a sharp decline in trade with China amid border closures and COVID-19 lockdowns.


 
WHAT DOES MEXICO'S GMO CORN DECREE SAY?
Mexico published a presidential decree on genetically modified (GM) corn in late 2020, saying it would ban GM corn in the diets of Mexicans and end the use the herbicide glyphosate by Jan. 31, 2024. The wording of the order threw Mexico's demand for corn imports into question.
President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has said GM seeds can contaminate Mexico's age-old native varieties and has questioned their impact on human health.
 
In the European Union the following countries have banned GMOS: France, Germany, Austria, Greece, Hungary, the Netherlands, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Denmark, Malta, Slovenia, Italy, and Croatia. In Africa, Algeria and Madagascar have banned GMOs, and in Asia, Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, Bhutan, and Saudi Arabia. Finally, in the Americas, Belize, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela have all banned GMOs. The United States has no official legislation banning GMOs.

 
Since 1996, farmers in animal agriculture, including poultry, have fed genetically modified grains (corn) and oilseeds (soybeans) to their flocks and herds with U.S. government oversight. Since more than 80 percent of the corn and soybeans grown in the US are raised from genetically modified seeds, almost all corn and soybean used in conventional livestock and poultry production is genetically modified. After more than 20 years of research, there has been no scientific evidence of any compromise to animal health whatsoever from the ingestion of genetically modified feed ingredients. In fact, since 1996, overall chicken health has improved and U.S. production has increased by 43 percent.

 
Few American's think about phosphorus when they walk into the produce department at their local grocery store.

The fertilizer cost ratio has jumped in recent years because the cost of fertilizer has increased relatively more than other operating costs. The farm price of phosphorus fertilizers DAP (diammonium phosphate) and MAP (monoammonium phosphate) increased rapidly from September 2020 through late spring 2022.
The U.S. houses 1.4% of known phosphate reserves globally. In comparison, nearly 70% of the world’s reported phosphate reserves are in Morocco.

 
In the European Union the following countries have banned GMOS: France, Germany, Austria, Greece, Hungary, the Netherlands, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Denmark, Malta, Slovenia, Italy, and Croatia. In Africa, Algeria and Madagascar have banned GMOs, and in Asia, Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, Bhutan, and Saudi Arabia. Finally, in the Americas, Belize, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela have all banned GMOs. The United States has no official legislation banning GMOs.

While these products may be bad you may consider if this is part of disrupting the production of food.
European Union is ass deep full of globalists.


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