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What is the ideal SHTF optic?
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Oh I guess you haven’t heard that Arken are “Just as good”
You just reminded me of when I used to respond to people who said “I have been doing this for 20 years!” by saying “One year of experience twenty times isn’t the same as 20 years of experience.”
-Stan
Get something that can do double duty. Something that looks innocuous if seen. Get a standard issue (for long range stuff) pencil barrel hunting rifle, and put a fixed, steel tubed weaver on that bitch. Get it zeroed at your preferred distance, and learn your holdovers in your head. Bury ammo stashes and fill out an 'under' report (cache) and be done.
That way, "its my dads hunting rifle; it's been in this house for 50 years." So in case some martial law motherfuckers start goin door to door looking for tactical shit or pullin 4473s red dawn style, you dont stand out like a bulldogs ballsack. Use basic, proven stuff. Not standing out in public, or under an inspection, should always be a key consideration.
That way, "its my dads hunting rifle; it's been in this house for 50 years." So in case some martial law motherfuckers start goin door to door looking for tactical shit or pullin 4473s red dawn style, you dont stand out like a bulldogs ballsack. Use basic, proven stuff. Not standing out in public, or under an inspection, should always be a key consideration.
Pretty pointless.
As Katrina showed, the Uniform hangers will beat up and break arms on old ladies in their hurry to grab an old revolver quicker.
When they start coming it's time to use them or hope to stay alive in the concentration camp.
It's really no different than most typical civilians do. They use what they have at hand. You should already have a standard hunting rifle laying around already anyhow. I never advocated for anything extreme. A plain rifle will do.
I'd much rather have my sbr with nv capable and thermal kit.
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Fuckin A Cotton, Fuckin A. I got just the one laying around
It's on a Deere...pretty sure that'll qualify as a tax write-off if you're a farmer.
Always wondered what it would look like here IF the big 50 cal and more cumbersome items would actually be worth it. Ultimately I guess its all in the nature of the issue at hand and one's options.
My M4 A3 Dissipator in 5.56 still has the iron sights on it even though I could remove the carrying handle to use the pic rail underneath for an optic.
I am comfortable with the iron sights and it has a combat zero of 25 - 300 yards on it.
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Show offThis is what we use in free America...
Yeah, but I need to drive an hour and a half away over state lines to do that.
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Did you at least leave the ma deuce mounted for the drive?
This made me laugh. I had to go the more mediocre route with an M82 which I justify specifically for such an occasion.This is what we use in free America...
After reading all 6 pages I agree… diversify, stockpile, large concrete block home on several acres, generator with large underground propane tank, ballistic film on windows, razor wire, cameras and various other measures. I’m in the process of procuring a PVS27 and a thermal. Most importantly is secrecy balanced with a trustworthy small group. Everyone in my group does a lot of carbine training with and without NV. Then you have to plan to be able to keep your group fed and cohesive. I don’t know if I would’ve gone through with the last part were it not for the fact that I am the only one capable of treating injuries, illness, etc. No one lasts long in a situation like this without competent medical care. Sepsis will kill 5x as many as bullets. I think the only way to get close to “prepared” is to have it be a lifestyle. It’s impossible to guess EXACTLY what will happen, but it’s very possible to predict how most of society will respond.
I look at it as my main hobby. Probably won’t happen, but gives me a responsible excuse for all the equipment and training. It’s been my experience that most really attractive women find security very attractive.
People much smarter than I am have said “mindset will be the most important component”.
Being able to recognize when the time comes and act accordingly will be vital. Having 2k to 3k yards between the world and your shelter along with the ability to engage efficiently at that distance IMO is also high up there. Maybe 800 yards at night. I’d prefer the carbine guys only being responsible for the stragglers.
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I haven't used an M4, so I can't comment on it, but the Aimpoint T2, ACOG, and EXPS3 are all excellent choices. The ACOG is a fixed 4x with awful eye relief, unless you choose the 3.5x ACOGs, which have better eye relief. EoTech has a larger window than the T2, but the T2 has a longer battery life than the Eo.
I'm capable enough and my father has been a LEO firearm instructor over 45 years, SWAT Rangemaster, Sniper/Spotter etc...
Plus
2 Medal of Valor
4 Certificates of Meritorious Conduct
Medal of Honor
Purple Heart
His career was exceptionally active for a LEO, plenty of incidents that made the national news unfortunately.
-Richard
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Are you serious about the ten ?? I know a guy with 6 and thought that was bad ass, he volunteered for all of them
The problem with many small groups is that when the SHTF for real, a significant number of the women immediately throw themselves at the men they feel are in charge. They understand intuitively that their pussy can buy them safety and security. Tough on marriages and beta males ego though.
You just reminded me of when I used to respond to people who said “I have been doing this for 20 years!” by saying “One year of experience twenty times isn’t the same as 20 years of experience.”
-Stan
I would reply So, you have been doing it wrong for 20 years....impressive.
Never has a post been so adorable....so frustrating...and yet has me wondering if it's AI generated from 2008 ARFcom posts.
Seems about right for the internet
These threads are always tough to answer. First, none of us really know what an "end of the world as we know it" scenario is going to look like. Is it an invading military force from overseas? A repressive government trying to put down its own citizens? A complete breakdown of society due to disease, natural disaster, etc.?
Second, where do you live? I live out west on 35 acres surrounded by ranch land. Pretty sparse population and sight lines that can extend out 500+ yards. If you live in urban Detroit your set up probably needs to be different.
Third, your own capabilities. Are you a 25 year old guy with 20/10 vision who does CrossFit 5x a week and shoots 1000 rounds a week? A 67 year old guy with mediocre eyesight, an astigmatism, and a bad back (me) who's happy if he can get to the range once a week? An optic that works for the 25 year old might not work for me.
Fourth, personal preference/what you've trained with. Some people can't get comfortable behind an LPVO. The scope weighs too much, the eye box is too tight. They don't like repeatedly transitioning between 1x and 8x. If they've got excellent vision and in the urban environment where they live the likelihood of a shot beyond 200 is remote a red dot (maybe with a magnifier) could be the ideal set up. If light weight, simplicity, durability, an etched reticle and some magnification are all something you want, maybe a prism is best for you. You get the idea.
Ultimately, I suppose these threads have some utility since they can acquaint you with what's out there, the strengths and weaknesses of a number of different set ups and what others preferences/solutions are. But ultimately you need to figure out what works best for you given your preferences, your abilities, your environment, what you've been training with, etc.
Second, where do you live? I live out west on 35 acres surrounded by ranch land. Pretty sparse population and sight lines that can extend out 500+ yards. If you live in urban Detroit your set up probably needs to be different.
Third, your own capabilities. Are you a 25 year old guy with 20/10 vision who does CrossFit 5x a week and shoots 1000 rounds a week? A 67 year old guy with mediocre eyesight, an astigmatism, and a bad back (me) who's happy if he can get to the range once a week? An optic that works for the 25 year old might not work for me.
Fourth, personal preference/what you've trained with. Some people can't get comfortable behind an LPVO. The scope weighs too much, the eye box is too tight. They don't like repeatedly transitioning between 1x and 8x. If they've got excellent vision and in the urban environment where they live the likelihood of a shot beyond 200 is remote a red dot (maybe with a magnifier) could be the ideal set up. If light weight, simplicity, durability, an etched reticle and some magnification are all something you want, maybe a prism is best for you. You get the idea.
Ultimately, I suppose these threads have some utility since they can acquaint you with what's out there, the strengths and weaknesses of a number of different set ups and what others preferences/solutions are. But ultimately you need to figure out what works best for you given your preferences, your abilities, your environment, what you've been training with, etc.
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