Ukraine war Bullshit.

No, what's embarrassing is you calling out someone that witnessed it personally, then saying it's "Russian Propaganda". You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Other than spewing bullshit and calling other people liars that have personally witnessed these events.

Yes, personally. Engadin (Samedan) Airport and shopping in St. Moritz Switzerland. January of this year. Yes, I was there.

Fucking Troll.
What exactly are you referring to personally witnessing?

I don’t know what you’re referring to.
 
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If you go down that list, those are all outdated systems we don’t use anymore for the most part.

So there is no MIC financial benefit of note. The MIC makes money off of current contracts for more modern systems, not freaking AIM-9Ls, Hawks, AIM-7s, Bradleys, M113s, and Harpoons.

We are generations away from those systems for not only our active inventory, but Foreign Military Sales.

Who would I be shilling for? I don’t work for any defense contractor, nor have I. From my family who worked for contractors, they’ve all been dead for decades and the companies they worked for no longer exist.

You need to start thinking at another level than easy-button pigeon holes that fit this narrative.
Laughing, we are not that stupid, the MIC makes money off everything they build, sell & even give away. Its all paid for when built via legalized theft, from the tax payer. Ply your B/S elsewhere
 
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Either way, Russia will be getting its face curb-checked repeated at an even higher level than has been happening for the past 41 months of the SMO.

This is why Putin is cleansing the rivals. He knows there will be others gunning for the throne once his weakness is clearly demonstrated to the people, who will then call for another strong man.
 
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Laughing, we are not that stupid, the MIC makes money off everything they build, sell & even give away. Its all paid for when built via legalized theft, from the tax payer. Ply your B/S elsewhere
We actually save money by divesting outdated munitions from the inventory.

We haven’t been manufacturing most of those systems on the list since the 1980s. They were paid for in defense budgets 40 years ago. Any money spent on storing them robs the force of new money going to newer systems.

This stuff is ancient by modern standards taking up shelf space ins secure, climate-controlled facilities manned by cleared employees who are paid a lot.

We’ve gone over this how many times now?
 
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Either way, Russia will be getting its face curb-checked repeated at an even higher level than has been happening for the past 41 months of the SMO.

This is why Putin is cleansing the rivals. He knows there will be others gunning for the throne once his weakness is clearly demonstrated to the people, who will then call for another strong man.
Under estimating you enemy/s is not a smart move.
 
Under estimating you enemy/s is not a smart move.
You can’t really underestimate a retard who starts from strategic encirclement with a 7:1 ratio and superior aircraft, a navy, help from a neighbor to stage forces from for the encirclement, a friendly traitor in the WH who is willing to pull out the targeted nation’s president for you, and you go and screw it up anyway by failing in every way.

Russia’s plan for the SMO didn’t survive contact with their own logistics, in addition to failing to secure Hostomel, and failing to get Biden to coerce Zelensky onto the escape plane.

We have done nothing but overestimate Russia my entire life.
 
We have done nothing but overestimate Russia my entire life.
Laughing, keep that train of thought rolling around and believed in the halls of the MIC, we'll see how it will all works out if its ever tested large scale.. And according to some that may be soon, as a deflect from the lair in chief.
 
Enough you should know by now we're not buying it.
I’m literally pointing out to you how these outdated weapons have not been in active US inventory for decades. These are absolute facts, not hearsay or conjecture.

AIM-7 Sparrows? We started replacing the AIM-7 with the AIM-120 in the 1990s, after 10 years of RDT&E on AMRAAM. We’re now into the 4th Generation AMRAAM with AIM-120D3, and already producing its successor, the AIM-260.

Bradleys and M113s? The Bradley largely replaced the M113, which went into production in 1960!

The Bradley went into production in 1981.

Hawk production started in the late 1950s!

Explain to me how one would shill for products made that long ago.

You need to start backing up these stupid claims about shilling with something of substance, because this is beyond retarded at this point.
 
Laughing, keep that train of thought rolling around and believed in the halls of the MIC, we'll see how it will all works out if its ever tested large scale.. And according to some that may be soon, as a deflect from the lair in chief.
The halls of the MIC were packed with Soviet moles throughout the Cold War and many still remain. They overestimated the Soviet order of battle and all combat systems capabilities, as part of Russia’s deterrence strategy of lies, thinking the US would attack them without provocation if the US knew how weak and worthless their trash was.

Contractors believed what the CIA told them about Soviet systems capes, and set program requirements based off those lies to much higher levels, creating far more-capable systems as a result.

Soviets couldn’t keep up with their own feedback loop, and spent a high % of their budget trying, even with blueprints and TDPs provided by moles within all along.
 
The halls of the MIC were packed with Soviet moles throughout the Cold War and many still remain. They overestimated the Soviet order of battle and all combat systems capabilities, as part of Russia’s deterrence strategy of lies, thinking the US would attack them without provocation if the US knew how weak and worthless their trash was.

Contractors believed what the CIA told them about Soviet systems capes, and set program requirements based off those lies to much higher levels, creating far more-capable systems as a result.

Soviets couldn’t keep up with their own feedback loop, and spent a high % of their budget trying, even with blueprints and TDPs provided by moles within all along.
You folks were outed by Ike in 01/1961, then JFK picked up that cross and was murdered because of this speech about making piece & cutting back.
 
Ike was referring to the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex, which had its intel side already co-opted by the Soviets. He made the warning because the CIA sabotaged his planned visit to...........Ukraine.

He was going to be the first US President to speak freely inside the Soviet Union, in a nation that had been subjected to artificial famine by Russia with the Holodomor in the 1930s, and the Kremlin was hellbent on stopping that speech.

CIA directly disobeyed his orders to cease the U-2 overflights for a while, since they already confirmed Russia didn’t have ICBM capability yet. CIA continued the flights anyway, with a compromised base defense in Peshawar, and possibly a transponder on Francis Gary Powers’ U-2, which was of course shot down.

Then Khrushchev got to make his speech instead, inside the UN. It was all an information operation designed to trash the US’s reputation on the international stage, while making Russia and the USSR looking like the noble ones.
 
Ike was referring to the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex, which had its intel side already co-opted by the Soviets. He made the warning because the CIA sabotaged his planned visit to...........Ukraine.
Bullshit he warned about the MFG'ers and all associated, as they learned how to easily fleece for tax dollars by one hand washing the other. Making up boggy men lined, and is still lining their pockets. Plus Forever wars, are their gold mines. Don't have one, fuck it make one & wave the flag, the slow thinkers will fall in line,...
 
Yes we, or should I say forces in this country did it. However they (Ukes)allowed it to happen as money was their main motivator. Interesting how the diff is/was with Kazakhstan, as seen thru our lies real quick.
KZ and Moscow always had a good relationship post 91. Now, ethnic Russians in KZ were treated terribly ("Russians go home, but leave your wives and daughters") and the entire country had a serious brain drain - the saying went that "the first to leave were the golden brain (jews) then the golden Arm (Germans and Russians who worked hard and built everything) and now all thats left are the golden teeth (Kazakhs and Uzbeks who just consume what's left)" But Nazarbayev knew that Moscow would keep him afloat, so the politics stayed aligned ("whenever Moscow catches a cold, Almaty grabs a kleenex"), and afterwards......well, the Russians say that kazakhs are just too lazy to stage a revolution, or do much of anything. Even some of the Muslims in UZ tried to launch a half hearted jihad in the late 90's. But KZ is just ....... there.
 
stay healthy, LARPER. I know the national diet in Finland is cigarettes and vodka, but remember:

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From an utterly superficial, simpleton’s perspective - unless Trump actually “enacts his will” and totally “drains the swamp” (I am extremely dubious of the “Frodo and his band of adventurers will defeat Sauron and vanquish all evil in the land” trope, but hey - we Americans love our hero fantasies and the complexes attached to it) - there’s really no stopping us from continuously arming whatever part of Eastern Europe according to our old Foreign Policy playbook…

…which we’ve never really wavered from for the good part of the last century.


Same goes for whatever we may end up saying and doing re: Asia.

For all we know, all of these great, sweeping accomplishments for peace on TeeVee are just populist theater for us, the stupid and eternally gullible masses.

I have serious doubts about our great white hat heroes saving the world from the evil swamp doing its usual evil swamp things, if that makes any sense.

Note to self:

Sticking to what the Foreign Policy Papers actually say instead of vacillating on some Saturday Morning Punidtoon’s inane Twitter posts remains the best bet in predicting what happens.