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  1. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Marsh1, That's very interesting. So far no problems with the 4-14 or either of the two other scopes I'm testing. Frankly I'm surprised at the lack of interest in this thread and the experiment that drives it. We should remember that to a lot of the shooting world $500 for a scope is a lot and on...
  2. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Hey All, Experiment over. Results Although the Millett stayed together on the 338 Lapua I did not like it. Although the eye relief is long enough, the relief range where a full image is achieved is very narrow. Hard to keep a good picture with any gun movement at all. So it's relegated to...
  3. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    In doing this experiment there have been several facts drop out of the data. One is that, perhaps too obviously, if you want information on shooting, you go to the operators who are shooting, under various and often difficult circumstances, and try to weed out the input from once a month...
  4. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Well Cobracutter old thing, here is some more ignorance from this side. I am a scientist by nature and training so I tend to approach any endeavor as if I were setting up an experiment. I have done this ever since I Op'ed this thread. I have used a lot of data and of course some, but far from...
  5. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    All of this is great advice and I appreciate it. However, I am confused because the internet gun community is filled with glowing reviews of this scope. I'd say they run about 90% 4 or 5 star but the other 10% are 1*. Looks to me like a spotty quality control issue. Everyone agrees that the 2nd...
  6. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Well Redneck, we'll just have to see. I phoned the Millet tech support on another issue. Seems the 6-25 LRS-1 is a 2nd focal point reticle which means that for scope ranging it only is "on" at 12.5 and 25 mag. I don't like that but given the price, I'll give it a try. Having 3 LR rifles I simply...
  7. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    G'Day All, Well, I've made a tactical decision and I'm putting a Millett 6-25X56 LRS-1 on my new 338 Lapua build. I has a 35mm tube, locking towers and 140 MOA elevation adjustment with 1/4 MOA turret clicks. They, the people who are selling the scope, make a big deal out of it being designed...
  8. Viper1

    Gunsmithing Is full Bedding of the Action Necessary?

    I see your point, however it seems a waist of materials and time to do the whole thing if it carries no benefit. Also, why do many smiths feel it is necessary to tape the recoil lug prior to joining the two parts together? I would imagine that it could introduce a tiny bit of movement when the...
  9. Viper1

    Gunsmithing Is full Bedding of the Action Necessary?

    Very good comments Biker. Yes, the bedding points for a Rem 700 action are the recoil lug and the area around it and the support area around the rear "tang" screw. I've seen videos that describe a quite long procedure for filling the entire action area with bedding compound so much so that the...
  10. Viper1

    Gunsmithing Is full Bedding of the Action Necessary?

    Hi All, I've got three rifles to bed for best extreme long range accuracy. An experienced gunsmith buddy of mine recently told me that he strongly feels that only the recoil lug area of the action needs bedding on modern, aluminum chassis stocks like the Bell & Carlson Medalist line. I've...
  11. Viper1

    Effective Immediately, No Politics Period !

    Having owned and run two sites before, I hold with Frank completely. It's his forum, his football and if half the members either left or were banned, it would still be a hell of a fine resource. Sometimes in forums and email serves you have to have a purge to get back to the core constituency. I...
  12. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Hey Y'all, Got some hearsay input on the Primary Arms 4-14X44 scope I bought for my 243. On another forum a guy used one on his Savage 110 338 Lapua and it shit itself after just 10 rounds. Let's see if it can stand up to a 9 lb. 243. Viper1
  13. Viper1

    Considering purchase of Savage 110 in 338 Lapua

    Considering purchase of a Savage 110 tactical 26" in 338 Lapua. Does anyone have direct experience with this rifle chambered in this cartridge? Any comment is helpful. Thanks, Viper1
  14. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    I see. However my experience is that I almost invariably pay more for the scope than the rifle. Some times quite a bit more. But there's what may be a breakthrough. I have just set up my Rem 700 varmint special 243 with a Primary Arms house label 4-14 X 44 scope ($229) with Burris tactical...
  15. Viper1

    precision rifles... show em

    In all of my sporting and working rifles and shotguns I have always prided myself on buying the best. It often requires sacrifice in other areas but where my weapons are concerned there's right and...other. However, I must say that I am quite stunned by the dedication to perfection and care...
  16. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Ditto Billmy67, The Primary arms scope I bought is really well made and frankly I can't tell any difference in quality from the $1,550 Leupold I put on my primary rifle. I love bargain but had a moment of acute concern where putting my life on the line is involved. My "business" rifle needed...
  17. Viper1

    USMC Vietnam Zeros and shooting techniques

    The video leaves me with a couple of questions. At the end it appears that there are two rather spectacular misses on hogs, followed by the GOB's comment "somebody better take this Redfield Revenge offa this gun." He then says "Redfield Revenge" while giving the throat cut sign. Wtfsup with...
  18. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Just may have filled my needs. I picked up a Primary Arms, 4-14x44 with Burris 3 screw rings and rail mounts for around $300 for the lot. https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Rifle_Scopes_s/919.htm Stay Frosty, Viper1
  19. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Very logical. Go for the empirical scope I say, the masses are rarely wrong says I; except maybe about wrestling and "Dancing with the Stars" and "Survivor" and Jerry Springer and Miller Lite and McDonalds and Dodge Trucks and ANYTHING by Madonna OR Lady Ga Ga... Just joking of course, it is a...
  20. Viper1

    Rifle Scopes Scoping On The Cheap

    Roger on the Barska, learned early on that one. Oh, and roger on the grandson/dog collar. Like to hear the story some time. In fact, I bet we all would. With Greatest Sympathy, Viper1
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