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Suppressors 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

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Looking to build a 10/22 with 1:9 barrel for the 60gr SSS 22LR round. Already run suppressed with the 38gr Rem rounds and found the SSS to be louder. I am curious if anyone here has some test data or experience with the SSS and what suppressor design they prefer and possibly why they are louder?

Do I need integral suppression to make it work right? So far it is just too loud to use. Some people they are quiet as a mouse but I have to wonder how other rounds would compare in that test.

I really want to avoid integral because the bullet is already too slow and that would cause more speed loss but maybe only one port on the tip would get it done. Just not sure.

OH, I will run a bolt lock so the semi auto will be a non-issue.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

Curious here. I just put together my 10/22 for SSS last night. I'll get to test it this weekend, no suppressor though ...to scared to send the SSS through my new SPR/M4.
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Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

What is your twist? I have shot a LOT of SSS rounds through a suppressed 1:16 18.5" without any issue. In testing, I found tumble only after 25 yds.
that is a cocky looking barrel there.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

Twist is 1:9. I'd have preferred stainless, but back when I bought it, the blued was all I could find. I do like the spiral fluting though.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

I have a Mk12 mod 0 that I put together. Has an 18" Douglas SS barrel with a 1:7 twist. It has an Ops Inc 12th model can. I periodically will run the 60gr SSS through it, and it sounds like a pellet gun. Even better when you are standing beside or behind the rifle and not shooting it. Reg. 22lr still has the sonic crack.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

can you actually hit anything with the SSS ammo? I have heard many complaints regarding accuracy of the ammo but not finding many official test reports. I do not want to sacrifice accuracy here.

Have you tested other subsonic ammo? Obviously switching from super to subsonic ammo will be a shocker but I want to compare only subsonic ammos.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

I love the aguila in a 1:7.5 M16. I agree that I have heard the same thing regarding accuracy but have not had the issues. I have run them in:

UZI (Vector/group Ind.)
various fast twist AR
Mossberg trainer
10/22

I will say this, a good burst of the SSS absolutely hammers stuff. 5-10 rounds or so and normally otherwise tough critters just fall over dead. It seems to penetrate pretty well too.

I was thinking about this the other day and a projectile from the Aguila SSS is about the same weight as a 00 shotgun pellet. This explains why a short burst of it works so well I think. That and being able to deliver it nearly completely suppressed makes it a favorite.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

What level of accuracy and distance do you get? I commonly shoot at 100yds so I really need good performance at that distance. I will also take 150yds shots from time to time but that is probably pushing it with this ammo.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

I have a TI 1:9 in my 10/22. On good days, it shoots the 60-gr Aguilas to 2.5" @50 yards. Yes, <span style="text-decoration: underline">fifty</span>. Other ammunitions shoot much better, several even shoot under 1" at that distance. The problem is the Aguilas. I chronographed an entire box to see if that might point to the source of the problem, and it did. ES was 11.9% of average MV. SD was 32 fps. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">32!!!</span></span> When ES is 77, SD is 32 and average MV is only 915 fps, you shouldn't expect to have anything even vaguely resembling a consistent trajectory.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

Guys, the 10/22 will be bolt blocked. I realize allowing it to cycle will cause consistency issues. Very good to hear that the SSS is not working well for you guys. Might steer me away from a bad decision.

The plus side of the 1;16 barrel is I already own one (on the gun) and supersonic fire is still possible. I just really would rather have a heavy bullet. maybe not 60gr but I am really shocked that no one is making a 50gr or so.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

That Mr. Fred is so right!

So, follow me here...

A integral .22 is specifically for taking a supersonic .22 and through a determined tuning process dropping that specific, known and consistent supersonic round down to subsonic flight. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to shoot a subsonic anything in a true integral barrel (true as opposed to a "dedicated" suppressor.)

If you were to buy an integral .22 suppressed barrel you would be.....taking an already subsonic round (SSS = already a shitty 900+/-/+/-) and.....that's right....tapping gas making for an unstable and high potential for strike situation.

So if you were to continue to waste time and $$ on SSS you would only use a blast can design.

Now to your question..."Why is my SSS, a 60 grain 900fps round louder than my Remmy 38 grain 1050s?"

I will take it for granted that BOTH the Remmy and the Aguila are going through the blast can. Right?

The answer is....powder choice in the Aguila.

Even through it is heavier.
Even though it is slower.
The powder loaded in the Aguila is a slow burning crap powder that is still burning in and through the can making a typical lower volume .22 blast can sound louder. If one was compelled to continue to use SSS, well, in your case a longer barrel and/or higher volume blast can (like JohnG's OPs Inc .30 caliber 11"(!) can) would be the solution. This would result in better suppression for an already inaccurate and filthy round.

Now as to accuracy in a suppressed .22. There is a very real trade off in this round between accuracy and take down force at termination. A well placed shot at reasonable game using a superb <span style="font-weight: bold">supersonic .22 load</span>, shot through a fine integral match barrel, properly tuned and held to a constant 1000ish will perform BETTER than a majority of unsupressed match barrels at 100 yards. Why? Barrel compression. The best quality integrals not only are tuned for the best supersonic .22 rounds but they also place the barrel under tension by design, effecting the barrel's frequency and tightening the groups. Can you do the same with a blast can design? Yes, one must reduce the barrel profile at the muzzle allowing for the threads to extend beyond a shoulder that is captured by a full length compression tube running all the way back to, and threaded on, the receiver.

Fastline, I can think of no good reason to grab a suppressed .22 rimfire of any bullet weight with the intention of doing anything other than punching paper at more than 100 yards. Can it be done? Sure. But, imo if your intent is to do something other than score targets past 100 yards, you need to step away from the table and go and get a much better cartridge/host. As Dobbsie would say "And your consciences wouldn't bother you none, neither." I also agree with DFOOSKING, the 77/22 is a much better way to go than the 10/22.

 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

Thanks for all the input. The 10/22 is already built with the match bull, stock, etc and has been a trusty gun and because of the limited use, I just do not want to dump the money into something that runs about 100 rds/yr though I DO understand the argument on the 77/22.

My hope with the SSS was to regain some of my energy back and the only reason I thought about integral was to strip gas before the bull is even out of the barrel which can be of huge benefit but maybe only on large bores. I do agree on the velocity concerns of adding integral suppression on a subsonic ammo. Probably not a good way to go.

I guess my main questions here were if the SSS with a 1:9 cannot hold the same accuracy as a 1:16 with a 40gr, there is little point for me since accuracy is paramount. The extent of long range shots is small game or paper but it is frustrating not to be able to use the SSS at 30 yds with this gun because of the tumbling issues. Maybe I can just remain hopeful there will be a 50gr pop up some day.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

Well mine ran like shit as it would not reliably extract the SSS. We had a second stock 10/22 that would feed/cycle it with no problems and mine would eat "regular" .22 ammo all day. Mine would jam after the first shot every time as the expended casing didn't make it out in time to feed the next round. This was all with the stock 10/22 mags. I have an upgrade extractor that I'm going to install and hope it helps. That and some new mags.
 
Re: 22LR, Aguila SSS vs 38gr sub, integral end mount

I will be locking the bolt so I am not concerned about bolt cycling. I am concerned with accuracy of the round down range. 100-150yds.