.308 Winchester

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Gap Crusader with a bartlein 1:11.25 22" bb.
Case: lapua
Powder: 42.0 varget
Bullet: 208 amax seated at 2.825" coal
Primer: r 9 1/2 lr

Is shooting 2470 at 5 yards from muzzle.
Confirmed at 400 yards. 5 shot group under 1" at 400.
At 520 was still below 1/4 moa.
Will shoot 1400 yards according jbm

 

[1Sg (ret)]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Creature</div><div class="ubbcode-body">178gr Amax
44.5grs of varget
Win primer
COAL 2.846

Avg FPS 2608 out of a 20" barrel with a YHM 7.62 suppressor. Most accurate load I've used for this particular rifle. Bug hole groups and good velocity, figured I'd share. </div></div>What brass you using?

 

[Shooter_308]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

2 loads i tested today with great results:

(Remington 700 AAC 1:10" twist 20" Barrel)
178gr AMAX
New Lapua Brass FL sized
42.0gr Varget
Federal 210m Primer
COAL 2.800" / 2.177" Ogive

5 Round Group @ 100 yards

(Remington 700 SPS-V 26" 1:12 twist)
168gr Amax
New Lapua Brass FL sized
38.5gr Varget
Federal 210m Primer
COAL 2.800" / Ogive 2.177"

5 Rounds at 100 yards:

This was a lighter load, but not as light as Hornady's manual said to start....32gr? I don't think so.

 

[mavrick10_2000]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uracowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone here have a sako trg 22 .308 load?

I'm looking for a good starting load at around 2.880 OAL using varget and 178g amaxes. </div></div>

I know this is an old post but try 44 - 44.3gr of Varget with the 178's and your TRG.

 

[mavrick10_2000]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MP15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My .308 deer hunting load recently worked up using OCW method -
Shooting out of a Savage 10PC - .308 w/ 20" barrel, 1 in 10 twist.

Hornady 150 gr. SST
46.3 gr Varget
Hornady match brass
CCI large rifle primers
COAL: 2.735
FPS - Average 2750
Group size @ 100 yds - 3/4"
Elevation 1250
Temp. 75 F
Humidity 65%
BP - 28.85
Calm - no wind.

Same day using above but with 45.7 gr. Varget
FPS - Average 2700
Group size @ 100 yds - 5/8"

Also tried 46.0 gr Varget, but group opened up considerably...... Will be running a 5 shot round robin style test of 45.7, 46.0, 46.3 again to rule out shooter error.

46.3 gr Varget showed no signs of pressure, primer problems or sticky bolt lift either. FPS gains were not there. Averaged right around 2750 also. Group went high and spread out.

All shots over a Pro Chrono chronograph at 12 feet.

I also shot some factory Hornady loads from the same rifle - 150 Gr SST's and some 165 Gr SST's on a different day - roughly same enviromental conditions. Both factory loads chrono'd at an average of 2750 FPS.

After more testing I settled on 46.5 Gr. Varget for the 150 Gr. SST's. Average speed over the chrono still stayed around 2750, but group settled down and shrank in size. Will load up a batch at 46.5 and see what happens.

Shot out to 550 yds (6/30). From a 100 yd zero, up 3.75 mils, DING dead center on some steel. On paper was able to shoot a group just under 5.5 inches @ 550 yds. </div></div>

I know you get some bigger bodied deer up there, but to save yourself some $$ switch from the SST's to the 155 AMAX. AMAX drop deer absolutely dead in their tracks. Just put it in the boiler room and they'll never take another step.

I've dropped several rutting bucks from 65 to 225yds which on the hoof weighed in from 190 to over 250lbs (Scaled only went to 250 and it bottomed out well beyond it) and they just dropped to the ground.

 

[Mill-it]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I am a noob and could use some help. I have a DPMS Coyote REPR .308 with 20" barrel and 1x10 twist. Does anyone have a good load for this or suggestions. I see so many loads out there but i don't know were to start. Thank you!

 

[Fester47]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Dear Noob Mill-it

Do a search on Ladder testing and go from there. It's a great way to learn what your rifle likes.
You have to lisen to her. Try different bullets for your style of shooting and try a popular powders for your rifle/caliber.
With a AR10 just stay at mag length and go from there.

 

[Mill-it]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Thanks Bryce6750,
I will do a ladder test i just need to figure out what powder to use, i see several powders in use do you have any recommendations?

 

[Fester47]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I like IMR 4064. Some of the popular ones are RE15 and Varget. Any of these will work well with 168 or 175 HPBT. I would recommend Hornady or Sierra bullets. I assume you are target shooting and not just blasting away at targets down range.

 

[Mill-it]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I will be using the gun to hunt for antelope and elk. I have hornady 165gn btsp. I think i will start at 43.5 grains and work up to 45.0 grains in .5 grain increments. After that possibly dial it in further. I would like to be able to shoot out about 600 yards. I want to have a turret made for my scope. see anything wrong with my plan?

 

[Mill-it]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

It turns out that in my ladder test i started using 42. grains and worked up to 45.5 grains in half grain increments. The closest was 42 grains that would fit in a 1" circle. I loaded up some 41 grains and 41.3 and 41.7 and the 41 grainers are within 3/4 of an inch circle. Thanks Bryce7650 for the advice.

 

[slayfire]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I am working on putting all the loads from this thread into an excel spreadsheet (a mind numbing task, but worth it), so far I have been been recording, COAL, bullet, powder, powder weight, velocity, and barrel length. I have not included, who the load was from, accuracy, neck tension, or barrel manufacture. When I finish it if anyone is interested they can have the spread sheet to do their own statistical analysis and evaluation. I will include some analysis.

 

[Seekers]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Great idea, I'm sure many will appreciate it.

Seekers

 

[l115a3]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Hi,


I had using ladder testing from 42.5 - 44.0 Grains of Varget.

The following are the detail ;

Sample Set : 5 Rounds per set
Rifle : Les Baer Tactical Recon Bolt Rifle .308 Winchester
Barrel : 24" Bull Barrel
Twist : 1:10"
Chronograph : CED M2
Brass : New Lapua (Trim to 2.005")
Die : Redding S-Type Full Lenght size w/.336" Titanium Bushing
Primer : CCI BR 2
Powder : Hodgdon Varget
Bullet : .30 Berger 175 Gr LRBT
COAL : 2.810"


Here are the result ;

42.5 ; AVG 2,600 , SD 19.8
43.0 ; AVG 2,610 , SD 12.4
43.5 ; AVG 2,648 , SD 6.9
44.0 ; AVG 2,675 , SD 9.8


There are no any over pressure sign on Brass and Primer. So, is it safe to go up to achieve 2,750 FPS or I should move up to heavier bullets like .30 Berger 185gr LRBT?

Because I always shoot @ 800 yards. So, may required higher speed to face with wind drift.




Regards,
GSG

 

[flatgunphil]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I am definitely interested in this.

Phil

 

[Seekers]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Golfy Sniper

From this site "Optimal Charge Weight" re: Using Varget

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.308 Winchester using Varget

This load data assumes standard Winchester brass. Adjust your powder charges DOWN by approximately four tenths percent (.4%) for Lapua and Remington cases. I don't recommend any of these loads for Federal brass cases, as they are heavy and soft, and not really fit to reload in my opinion.

155 grain bullet, 47.8 grains
168 grain bullet, 46.0 grains
175 grain bullet, 45.0 grains (an all around favorite)
180 grain bullet, 44.1 grains
200 grain bullet, low node 41.5 grains (10 twist barrel)
200 grain bullet, high node, 43.1 grains (10 twist barrel)

PRIMERS: CCI 200's, BR-2's, and Federal 210's work well with Varget

http://optimalchargeweight.embarqspace.com/#/ocw-load-recipes/4533485759</div></div>

If no pressure signs are present it seems you might want to work up to 45 grains of Varget in .2 grain increments unless you encounter any pressure signs. Watch for accuracy node.

Keep us posted,

Seekers

 

[wakeboarder4402]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Has anybody worked up a load with Berger's 150gr flat base?

 

[lvgolfer962]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AeroEngi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what kind of muzzle velocities I can expect using 178gr A-Max, 43.5gr of Varget and CCI 200 primers? I'm using Federal GMM brass neck-sized only, trimmed to 2.005" and I'm seating to 2.82" COL. Will I be able to get out to 1000 yards reliably? My rifle is a stock Remington 700p with 26" barrel and 1:12 twist. Thanks. </div></div>

I run the 178 amax with 43.0g of varget in lapua brass, cci 200, and @2.860 coal. Im getting 2725 out of mine with 28" barrel 1-10 twist

 

[Blaser Marc]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Hi All
just got a 308 barrel for my Blaser LRS2

does anybody have some accurate spec for this barrel

Barrel has 1/11 twist 26 inches
i have Lapua brass and a shit load of Hornady AMAX 168 Gr.

Thanks

 

[JB02]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

24" 1/10 Krieger w/ Badger FTE:

178 AMAX
BHA Brass (effectively winchester)
CCI BR 2 primer
44gr Varget
0.010" off lands
0.003" neck tension
~ 2700 FPS
0.3-.5" @ 100 yds, depending on how well I'm shooting

168 AMAX/BTHP
BHA Brass (effectively winchester)
CCI BR 2 primer
43.6gr Varget
0.010" off lands
0.004" neck tension
~ 2650 FPS
0.4-.5" @ 100 yds, depending on how well I'm shooting

Rem 700 5R, 24" 11.25 twist:
168 AMAX/BTHP
BHA Brass (effectively winchester)
CCI BR 2 primer
45.8gr Varget
0.020" off lands
0.003" neck tension
~ 2750 FPS
0.4-.5" @ 100 yds, depending on how well my wife's driving the rifle. It stays within 2" at 400 yds.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Gap Crusader. 1:11.25 22" bartlein. Lapua brass fgm210m. 175 smk (2275). Power pro 2000 mr. 48.0 grains. 2760-2770 fps and a tack driver. No overpressure at all.

Same set up. 47.9 178 bthp hornady. With a 100 yard zero only 1.4" drop at 165. 8 shots produced a group you could cover with a dime at 165 yards.

 

[skinnypitt]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I looked back severral pages in this topic and couldnt find any loads for the berger 200 hybrid. I am thinking about loadig them for F-TR at 1k but would like to see if someone else has had luck with them before going through the work of building a load.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinnypitt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I looked back severral pages in this topic and couldnt find any loads for the berger 200 hybrid. I am thinking about loadig them for F-TR at 1k but would like to see if someone else has had luck with them before going through the work of building a load.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!</div></div>

A buddy of mine is running them out of a 28" krieger with 46 or 47 grains of power pro 2000 mr. I think he's at 2680 fps. Anyways, he won the last match and came in 2nd in the Louisiana state championship.

 

[afate45]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Savage 10 FCP-SR 24in factory barrel

Lapua Brass (new)
168gr Hornady A-MAX
Fed 210M
43.5gr IMR 4064
2.805 OAL
2690 FPS in 0 degree weather

 

[Az Desert]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

tag ... need to look for the savage 20" model 10

 

[nashlaw]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Shot in a high wind today with some 155 gr SMKs (non-Palma) over some BLC 2. I was not expecting much and did not get excited until I shot the rounds with 47g of powder..... .5" at 100yds.

155 SMK
WW Brass
47.0g BLC 2
WW Primer

 

[Shadowofjudgment]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Lwrc 20" Repr
1/10 twist
178gr Hornaday BTHP
41.7gr Reloader 15
CCI large rifle.

2480 Average vel.
3/4 moa

 

[lizard1]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

hey guys;
its getting hard to find varget.got lots of h4350 from my 260's and
6.5x47's. anybody use it in 308's ?..........d-1

 

[WB300]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

dave 1,

If you find any hints on using H4350 for .308 please post. I too have lots of H4350 and want to work up some .308 loads using 150 gr. and 165/168 grain bullets. I use H4350 in my 7mm-08 and can touch holes at 100 yards. The flame out of the end is pretty impressive, so I believe I'm not getting complete powder burn. That doesn't bother me as I am more interested in accuracy. My .308 is a Rem LTR 20". I'd like to get a min/max range so I can do a ladder test. Thanks.

Bill

 

[brumbelowcr]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Rem 700 action. Shilen Select match #5 contour SS bbl 25". Bell Carlson Medalist stock bedded. Worked factory trigger.

168gr Berger VLD
46gr Varget
Win LR primer
Lapua Brass fully prepped(primer pocket, flash hole, neck "peeled", neck sized in Redding bushing die)
2780 fps @ 15 feet from muzzle.
No group size posted. You wouldnt believe me.
Awesome in my rifle.

Work up carefully, max load but no pressure signs in my rifle.

 

[Down South]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

I looked back severral pages in this topic and couldnt find any loads for the berger 200 hybrid. I am thinking about loadig them for F-TR at 1k but would like to see if someone else has had luck with them before going through the work of building a load.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!




I'm the guy Aimsmall was talking about that shoots the 200s. It was the 185s i shot in the state match. I've shot them (200s) in two matches so far (Louisiana and Texas) and did really well with em. They shoot about the same as my 185 hybrid load at distance (300 yard and beyond) but the 185s group a tad better at 100 yard. At 300 yards in load developement they both shoot right at or under an inch group consistantly (5 shots) with not much vertical. If you can handle the recoil I would give em a whirl, they should do well at 1000 yard. With that being said i've only shot 600 yard FTR matches with them but feel confident that they would be fine at 1000. I did shoot the 185s at 1000 and they did very well. The 185 juggernauts shot well also with the same powder charge as the 185 hybrids but the rifle seems to like the hybrids a bit better for some reason and the BC is a hair higher so that doesn't hurt either.

The 200 gr load
46.3 gr Power Pro 2000MR
CCI BR2
2.240 base to ogive (jammed in lands in my rifle)
Lapua brass, unturned


The 185 hybrid load
47.6 gr Power Pro 2000MR
CCI BR2
2.210 Base to ogive
Lapua brass, unturned

The 200s are running about 2650 to 2675 depending on the weather/temps. The 185s are about 2800 to 2825.

28 inch Krieger with 11 twist barrel
Bat action
B & C Medalist A2 stock
Jewel trigger set at 8 oz
Nightforce 12 X 42 X 56mm NXS
Rifle weight 17.5 lb. with bipod attached


If anyone tries these loads please work up to it as all rifles are different and it may not be safe in yours. Its a pretty stiff but safe load in mine. The reamer used on this rifle has .123 freebore which is not really ideal for the 200s but I cant argue with the results so far.

 

[Tevis]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

Out of a AI AW 26" barrel done by GAP

46.8 gr of Varget
lapua brass
federal GMM primer
Sierra 175 SMK
seated to 2.240 base to O-give

mid 2900fps with not signs of pressure and decent brass life.

 

[Tevis]

Re: Loads For .308 Winchester

My previous load post was my attempt at the most speed I could get out of my rifle.

My standard load is 45 gr of varget with the same specs as above. drops the speeds down a 100 fps or so. Right now with the cold weather here in Ky it is running 2782-2790 ES of 12 SD of 4-6 depending on suppressed or unsuppressed shooting.

And both will shoot 1/2 moa 15 round groups. as long as I do my part carefully enough.

 

[Deadshot2]

dave 1,

If you find any hints on using H4350 for .308 please post. I too have lots of H4350 and want to work up some .308 loads using 150 gr. and 165/168 grain bullets. I use H4350 in my 7mm-08 and can touch holes at 100 yards. The flame out of the end is pretty impressive, so I believe I'm not getting complete powder burn. That doesn't bother me as I am more interested in accuracy. My .308 is a Rem LTR 20". I'd like to get a min/max range so I can do a ladder test. Thanks.

Bill

Way too slow for the small .308 case. Hodgdon doesn't even show a starting charge weight. I'll hang on to my 4350 for my 'o6

 

[jjrgr21]

pics of ladder test from an 18" JP gas, and 20" SPS w/AI chassis 178gr AMAX @100

and 20" SPS w/AI chassis

accuracy node was 42.4gr IMR 4064-43.0gr IMR 4064 in .2gr increments.

we both got 2500FPS at 42.6gr, so thats our load, and it's a bit better than our previous load of 43.5gr of varget

IMR 4064 is not to be overlooked.

the varget loads shoot about 4" at 600, but i shot like shit yesterday (snowing, and i'm skinny) i had 4" groups all over the place.

 

[Shadowofjudgment]

How temperature sensitive is 4064? Just wondering compared to Reloader 15.

 

[jjrgr21]

much better than RE-15, i read that 4064 has a 20fps change from 0deg to 100deg. and RE-15 is 1 for 1, (50deg for 50fps)

and RE-15 sucked out of my gun.

 

[QuietShootr]

Hornady 178gr HPBT
Lapua brass
CCI BR-2 primer
45.9gr Varget
Base-ogive COAL is 2.133"
.002 neck tension
2750 fps at 70 degrees/750' ASL

FN A3G 24"

I shot this load in 1000 yard matches all last summer. It works great to 1200 yards out of my gun, and I can even get 1300 if the temp is above 90 degrees.

 

[akmike]

Anybody out there tried 208 AMAX with Alliant 2000MR. Alliant websight does not list a recipe. Would like to try the combo but not sure on a starting point.

 

[chefcam864]

Remingto SPS Varmint 26"bbl 1:12 twist
McMillan adj. A5
Timney trigger set @ 2lbs
Nikon Monarch 4-16x50 SF on NF 20MOA base

178 A-max 2.208" (ogive) 2.820" (coal)
43.5gn RL15
BR2
Win brass FL sized (headspace=.001" under fired dimensions)
Necks turned to .0135" (this gives a full cleanup)
Flash holes deburred, and primer pockets uniformed.

Will Chrono this week, but 200 yard accuracy averaged .498 MOA @ 200 yards for 5 5-shot groups

 

[Down South]

Anybody out there tried 208 AMAX with Alliant 2000MR. Alliant websight does not list a recipe. Would like to try the combo but not sure on a starting point.

Im shooting the 200 hybrid with 46.3gr. I would start about 42.5gr to 43gr with a 208 Amax and work up.

 

[akmike]

Thanks Down South!

 

[jasin1890]

I am working on putting all the loads from this thread into an excel spreadsheet (a mind numbing task, but worth it), so far I have been been recording, COAL, bullet, powder, powder weight, velocity, and barrel length. I have not included, who the load was from, accuracy, neck tension, or barrel manufacture. When I finish it if anyone is interested they can have the spread sheet to do their own statistical analysis and evaluation. I will include some analysis.

I would like for you to send it to me once you are done with it thanks in advance.

 

[Down South]

Thanks Down South!

10-4 Good luck!

 

[JWEM]

175 SMK
47.5gn N550
Win case (FL sized)
CCI LR primer
OAL=2.830
2690fps out of a 26" Remington barrel, I shoot pretty close to sea level and this gives me 37.5MOA elevation at 1000yards. I'm not a great shooter but I can generally hold 0.75 to 1 MOA with this load. No pressure signs at all in MY rifle.

 

[fnberzerker]

Hey everyone. Working on a load with varget and 190 smk's to take to the cup in a couple months, but I foresee a problem. With the current status of distributors getting varget, or not getting varget as the case may be, I'm starting to worry that I won't have enough to fine tune a load and complete my load-out for the shoot (240 rds for the shoot, 1.5 lbs of varget in possession). Does anyone have a good recipe for 190 smk's in a different flavor than varget? Will any of the imr flavors work? I apologize in advance if I missed one or two in the thread, went through in 'scan' mode. And just for more info, I'm shooting a savage 10 FPSR, 22" 1/10, and the 190's are it for me for now because I have 4 boxes of them, not able to find any 175's. Thanks for any help ahead of time.

Also, I plan on doing a ladder test on Monday, will post the results for my 190/varget load. Is it worth doing a chrono during the ladder test or should I wait until I find and fine tune the nodes?

 

[fnberzerker]

So, obviously Monday didn't work out so hot for doing my ladder test. Had too much to do with school and work and such. I finally made it out today with a new load, NO varget in the mix of things. I started thinking about the situation, and decided to go with a powder I knew I could find (NO varget ANYWHERE) to load enough for upcoming comps. So, without further adieu, here are my results for a group test (instead of a ladder test) with 190 smk's and IMR 4064, or rather my best groups. Keep in mind, I have not chrono'd these rounds and this is from a Savage 10FP-SR sitting in a 10BA chassis shooting 5 rds at each powder measurement in .5 gr increments starting at 40 gr and working up to 43 gr (stopped at 42.5 based on some ejector swipe). The best two groups were 41 gr and 42 gr at .563" and .529" respectively (@ 100 yd.) These were seated at approx .030" off the lands at 3.241" (ogive measurement.) I would estimate these rounds to be between 2500 FPS and 2590 FPS based on the load data presented in the Sierra manual, however, I will post the actual chrono'd velocities as soon as I can get back to the range. I would say that 4064 is definitely in the mix for the heavies in .308. Again here is the info:

.308 Savage FP-SR
1:10 twist 22"
41 gr (IMR 4064)= .563" (5 shot @ 100)
42 gr (IMR 4064)= .529" (5 shot @ 100)
EST Vel.= 2500-2590 FPS
OAL= 3.241" (Ogive measurement using Hornady comparator)

I will also be trying more rounds at 41.5 gr since I think the non consistent group represented may be a fluke.

Will post results as soon as I can get to the range for a few hours, hopefully I can run a few out to 700 or 800 to make sure these groups are worth a darn.

 

[700sendero]

Remmy 700 ltr 1in10"

190 smk
Lc lr 07 match prepped n trimmed
40.5 I'Mr 4064
210m
Absolute hammer...usuall mid .3's @ 100 if I do my part 4 shots
2.81 coal

 

[Target In Sight]

AE MKiii 20"

155 Lapua Senar
Lapua brass
45.5 Varget
CCI BR2
jump 0.015
If I do my part right, holes are stacking @ 100 yards

 

[gaintwist]

for 13twist, WW case, 45g Vgt, 175 BT Berger, br2