A Jew a Zionist walk into a bar.

That’s a a partial. Now combine that with Roman’s 11 to get the full picture regarding how God feels about the Jews. You are right, im not into arguing with you anymore, and I think we agree that unless Jews accept Christ, they’ll end up in a not great place.

The disagreement between us, is whether or not God has turned His back on the Jews for ever or if He still has a plan for the Jews and Israel in the end times. End times prophecy would Indicate that to be a yes, and He will protect them until then in an effort to save a remnant of them (that accepts Christ) for Himself because said He would. That does not bode well for anyone that opposes them. That’s not a fear of Israel but a healthy fear of God. Throughout history it never has gone well for anybody opposing Israel when they had Gods blessing. Now, If they don’t accept Christ, they’ll end up in the same place as everyone else will who fails to accept Christ as their savior.

Theology is whatever. Can debate it endlessly. Salvation and how to get it is the core and the most important message that we have to get right. And that only comes through faith in Christ. Works and obedience will be evidence of that. That would include loving them dirty joo’s.. 🤣

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Well, I never said or intended that God had turned his back on anyone. My understanding is that He is unchanging, and in that could never turn his back on them. Man, in his limited, finite mind, cannot fully comprehend the unlimited, infinite so they make something they can understand. . What happens is people turn their back on Him. and reap the consequences. Sow to the wind, reap the whirlwind. Kind of like the sun is always there, but if you crawl under a rock you lose the sunshine.

My point, such as it is , is that the founders of Israel are not Godly individuals, they have no interest if worshiping God, only in promoting a Zionist State. It has little to nothing to do with Judiasm. Had Israel been re established by God, they would have had prophets, not kings or presidents. That in and of itself is turning away, and will have its consequences.

Yes, theology is what it is, and can be argued/debated to boredom. We do agree, mostly on one thing, that the only way to eternal life, is in accepting Christ's gift of the Holy Spirit, Love, and walking in that. I cant hate anymore, Zionist or Muzzie, the only love I can find for them is passive. We'ren ot that far apart.

Backatcha🙏
 
This was what I was thinking. None of the “Jews have their our state”, or red heifer (no idea what this means) or any of these “signs” means anything.

Are these things from the NT or the OT. Obviously I’ve read neither
New Testament.

And also NT in Acts chapter 10
“34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”

Pretty clear that God extends salvation to anyone that follows His plan of salvation, not just Jews.
 
Well, I never said or intended that God had turned his back on anyone. My understanding is that He is unchanging, and in that could never turn his back on them. Man, in his limited, finite mind, cannot fully comprehend the unlimited, infinite so they make something they can understand. . What happens is people turn their back on Him. and reap the consequences. Sow to the wind, reap the whirlwind. Kind of like the sun is always there, but if you crawl under a rock you lose the sunshine.

My point, such as it is , is that the founders of Israel are not Godly individuals, they have no interest if worshiping God, only in promoting a Zionist State. It has little to nothing to do with Judiasm. Had Israel been re established by God, they would have had prophets, not kings or presidents. That in and of itself is turning away, and will have its consequences.

Yes, theology is what it is, and can be argued/debated to boredom. We do agree, mostly on one thing, that the only way to eternal life, is in accepting Christ's gift of the Holy Spirit, Love, and walking in that. I cant hate anymore, Zionist or Muzzie, the only love I can find for them is passive. We'ren ot that far apart.

Backatcha🙏

Pretty well agree with most of what you just said. 👊🏻
 
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He's right, you know.

I've read that the 6 pointed star actually signifies the union of heaven and earth, one triangle is man moving upward towards heaven and the other, heaven moving downwards toward earth.

FWIW.
As above

So below

It’s Baal, Molech, Baphomet all of them. They are legion and have many names.


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He's right, you know.

I've read that the 6 pointed star actually signifies the union of heaven and earth, one triangle is man moving upward towards heaven and the other, heaven moving downwards toward earth.

FWIW.

I read that too.

I also read it started showing up in joo places before the 5th century and before that it was seen in the art of pagans and other cultures.
 
As above

So below

It’s Baal, Molech, Baphomet all of them. They are legion and have many names.


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Yep Freemasons are straight satanic. So are the Rosicrusians. Worship Lucifer. Watched a pretty long podcast on it by a guy that went all the way to the top of the Freemasons and then onto the Rosicrusians. Guy was a witch, and member of the Church of Satan, then Freemasons and then into Rosicrusians.
 
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21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
21 was fulfilled after the Babylonian captivity

22 was as well but it has elements of dual fulfillment.
 
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21 was fulfilled after the Babylonian captivity

22 was as well but it has elements of dual fulfillment.

Pretty interesting watch if you have the time. He explains is way better than I can. He does mention what you stated about it being a dual Prophecy. This one speaks specifically about Ez 37 and how it
Correlates to 1948. @Defiantly_Not_Bender he speaks to some of the Jews siding with the anti-Christ like you had mentioned.

He has another series discussing dates and how OT prophecy actually called out specific dates that certain things would take place. The Crucifixion of the Messiah in 32AD and the return of the Jews to Israel in 1948 being a couple of them.

 
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Follow up video to that last one if you’re interested. Regarding the Gog Magog invasion of Israel in Ez 38. Speaks to Britain, Saudi Arabia and US aligning ourselves with Israel against Russia but not doing anything to stop it. Episode is focused on identifying the countries named about in Ez 38. Pretty good history lesson.

 
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Over the last 50 years we've seen what happens when you reward bad conduct. The repeat offenders, that have been given less than a slap on the wrist for violent felonies, have become a serious problem for society. Yet, here we have plenty of people saying that Yes, the modern day Jews have rejected the Messiah and were in exile, punishment by God, because of their sins but we must still bless them. How do you square that? The ohh oh if I don't God won't bless me cuz Genesis.
1+1= 4? Wait I know. It was Joseph's statement to his brothers. What you meant for evil God used for good. What God meant for punishment I will fix by taking your land back and give it to you. Now go in there and finish doing what God had commanded and kill all the people in the land.
 
Over the last 50 years we've seen what happens when you reward bad conduct. The repeat offenders, that have been given less than a slap on the wrist for violent felonies, have become a serious problem for society. Yet, here we have plenty of people saying that Yes, the modern day Jews have rejected the Messiah and were in exile, punishment by God, because of their sins but we must still bless them. How do you square that? The ohh oh if I don't God won't bless me cuz Genesis.
1+1= 4? Wait I know. It was Joseph's statement to his brothers. What you meant for evil God used for good. What God meant for punishment I will fix by taking your land back and give it to you. Now go in there and finish doing what God had commanded and kill all the people in the land.

Do you believe our county is any better when it comes to turning our backs on God? 50+ million murdered babies in and still counting. Do you believe we are any better when it comes to pushing leftist liberal ideals on other country’s and involving ourselves in their politics and policy’s? CIA operations and funding to organize coups in country’s to establish leadership more inline with our (some of our) agendas. Is our county any better when if comes to political corruption? Is there a county in existence that is? What separates Israel from any of our allies in that regard apart from Israel not being a punk and holding a strategic position in the Middle East? What’s the alternative? Would it be better for us if they were overrun by Iran or any of the Muslim counties in that region? Should we allow that?

Im just opposed to is demonizing an entire race of people with falsehood and / or twisted truths and wide brushes and then trying to do some kind of mental backflip to explain how it’s not racist while using the very same type of cartoon art and spewing the same propaganda Hitler used to desensitize an entire country to the humanity of Jews to the point they had no issue trying to exterminate them from the planet. Kinda like the left labeling MAGA and as Fascist Nazi’s and leftist gobbling it all up. Are there some? Yeah, we got shitheads to. Is it the majority? Nope. Far from it. That Didn’t keep some brainwashed jackass from putting a bullet in Charlie though.

Disagreeing with policy / funding etc etc is one thing and totally legit. we can and should put America first. We can also be an ally to Israel without kissing the ground they walk on and blessing their every move. I don’t even do that with my country. We’re probably in agreement on that.
 
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Do you believe our county is any better when it comes to turning our backs on God? 50+ million dead babies in… Do you believe we are any better when it comes to pushing liberal ideals on other country’s and involving ourselves in the politics and policy’s of other country’s? CIA operations and funding to organize coups in country’s to establish leadership more inline with our (some of our) agendas. Is our county any better when if comes to corruption ? What separate Israel from any of our allies in that regard apart from Israel holding a the position they do in the Middle East? Do you suppose supporting Iran, Syria or any of the muslim enemies of Israel would be more beneficial to the US?

Don’t be confused, nobody here including myself is supporting each and every political stance they take. I mean do we hold that position with any of our allies? The EU hates us, but they’re weak AF. Israel’s not. What I am opposed to is demonizing an entire race of people with falsehood and / or twisted truths and then trying to do some mental backflip to say it’s not racist while using the very same type of cartoon art and spewing the same propaganda Hitler used to desensitize an entire country to the humanity of Jews to the point they had no issue trying to exterminate them from the planet.

Not all Jews are bad. Not all Jews are good. Not all Jews in Israel have turned their backs on God. The same is true for us, and for anybody else for that matter.
My backwood opinion is that we shouldn’t be supporting any foreign country.
America first.
But if possible it would be cool to have mutually beneficial trade with every country that wants to. Prolly ain’t gon happen tho.
 
My backwood opinion is that we shouldn’t be supporting any foreign country.
America first.
But if possible it would be cool to have mutually beneficial trade with every country that wants to. Prolly ain’t gon happen tho.

100% America first. 🇺🇸

I also believe allied relationships should be a 2 way street. Mutually beneficial.m to both parties. Defense / Trade etc, etc.
 
Follow up video to that last one if you’re interested. Regarding the Gog Magog invasion of Israel in Ez 38. Speaks to Britain, Saudi Arabia and US aligning ourselves with Israel against Russia but not doing anything to stop it. Episode is focused on identifying the countries named about in Ez 38. Pretty good history lesson.


Gog & Magog are not until the end of the millennial reign. Which comes after the Tribulation & Wrath, none of which have happened or even started.
 
Disagreements in viewpoints in Bible prophecy is not unusual. It’s highly debated back and forth between much more well respected Biblical scholars / historians than us, that are taking scripture, along with many ancient texts from the Dead Sea scrolls, Josephus writings etc etc and cross referencing them with documents / ancient texts from different cultures and seeing how they all align. I’m not expecting to change anybody’s mind. I find it an interesting topic of discussion especially how they’re taking place now and being able to see them in current world events.

One thing we can take from all of it, is that there is a plan and it’s not ours. We are not the ones in control. Prophesies were given to us to that we can see the sign of the times.
 
One thing we can take from all of it, is that there is a plan and it’s not ours. We are not the ones in control. Prophesies were given to us to that we can see the sign of the times.
Agreed.

My brother sent me this the other day. Pretty good piece in here about the dead sea scrolls. Wish I could remember where to tell you to start it for that specific part. All of it is pretty good. I need to watch it again.

 
Agreed.

My brother sent me this the other day. Pretty good piece in here about the dead sea scrolls. Wish I could remember where to tell you to start it for that specific part. All of it is pretty good. I need to watch it again.



Thanks man. I’ll check it out.

I watched a great series on the Dead Sea Scrolls by Ken Johnson awhile back. Really in-depth. Multiple part series. Its good stuff. Here’s his page if you’re interested. Go to his playlists to see his series. Book of Enoch, Dead Sea Scrolls, the original DSS Calendar, Prophetic Studies are all really good

 
I’ve a question. I’m not pious at all but was raised Catholic.

From my understanding (admittedly less than many if you here), During the life of Christ he stated that there is no way to the father but through me. This occurs after the events of the OT (obviously). A statement like this seems to negate the previous writings and lays a new path. This would negate the Jews as his chosen people and make all previous prophecy moot. Now all that is necessary is to accept him as your savior with no mention of a particular people.

Obviously this is where Christians and Jews have a difference of opinion, but it seems that Christians here are talking about God’s plan and the Jews featuring heavily in it.

Is there a simple explanation I’m missing?

Again, before you flame, remember that I’m not claiming to be well read on the subject
Jesus fulfilled the old law of the Old Testament, he is the new law. Some of the Israelites/Jews of the day did not like that Jesus was teaching peace and love, they were waiting for someone to avenge and strike down enemies with violence.

They essentially are still waiting for that person and did not accept Jesus as our savior.

The protection Israel had was under the old covenant, if they do not accept the new covenant, there is no promise.

No man can return unto the father except through Jesus Christ.

Simple as.
 
It is referred to as the star of Remphan in the Bible.

Unlike Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant I don't recall any detailed physical description of this star.

a true Israeli flag should have the menorah on it

My OCD wants to knee jerk and say Israeli's aren't "jews" but I also can't argue the flag actually represents the "chosen people".
 
Jesus fulfilled the old law of the Old Testament, he is the new law. Some of the Israelites/Jews of the day did not like that Jesus was teaching peace and love, they were waiting for someone to avenge and strike down enemies with violence.

They essentially are still waiting for that person and did not accept Jesus as our savior.

The protection Israel had was under the old covenant, if they do not accept the new covenant, there is no promise.

No man can return unto the father except through Jesus Christ.

Simple as.

Orthodox Jews that reject Jesus as Messiah believe the messiah will be political figure. This makes sense why 1/3 of them will initially turn and follow the anti-Christ as their messiah but a remnant of them will turn and follow Christ at the end of the tribulation established the last Messianic Kingdom on earth for the Millenia Reign.
The prophecy also states that one-third of the Jewish people will be purified and will call upon the name of the Lord, signifying their national conversion to faith in the true Messiah.
 
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It is referred to as the star of Remphan in the Bible.


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No,

That is not the star of Remphan.




The Star of David has different orgins.



You are Anti Sematic deciever, the voice of deception, IE the devil.
 
No,

That is not the star of Remphan.




The Star of David has different orgins.



You are Anti Sematic deciever, the voice of deception, IE the devil.

These guys refuse to read Romans 11. Or just plain ignore it. Written by Paul after Christ ascended. Shoots their whole “theory” to dust. He’s stuck in his “they’re Satan” argument.

We did not replace the Jews. We were grafted into the original covenant with the Jews to make them jealous as to return them to Christ. Were the branches grafted in. It’s pretty dang clear.
 
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You are Anti Sematic deciever, the voice of deception, IE the devil.

You aren't any good to your pay masters if you come off too firmly in the propaganda camp...

Before it was known as "the star of David", that same symbol was referred to for a very long time as the seal of Solomon

Oh and what symbols you you happen to see in this picture from several hundred years ago...
Guess what building it is?

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You aren't any good to your pay masters if you come off too firmly in the propaganda camp...

Before it was known as "the star of David", that same symbol was referred to for a very long time as the seal of Solomon

Oh and what symbols you you happen to see in this picture from several hundred years ago...
Guess what building it is?

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No shit...
 

These are the same type guys that would use the Curse of Ham as a justification for their racial bigotry against people of African descent. Cut from the same cloth..

Cherry pick scripture and ignore / misinterpret / take out of context others to justify their hate..

good luck working that one out with ✝️
 
You aren't any good to your pay masters if you come off too firmly in the propaganda camp...

Before it was known as "the star of David", that same symbol was referred to for a very long time as the seal of Solomon

Oh and what symbols you you happen to see in this picture from several hundred years ago...
Guess what building it is?

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Only 1 paymaster bud. And He isn’t of this world.