No sir, the ocean does nothing for me… I work on it everyday in arguably one of the most beautiful sections on the east coast and could not care less about it. Just not my jam.The ocean isn't a requirement?
Some beautiful places named but I'd need to see ocean.
Need any advice or help in regards to NW Arkansas , holler at me I was there last weekend , there were bikes EVERYWHERE !! You’re from Georgia, so humidity and bugs wouldn’t be anything worse here. Behind my AO they had the Big Mountain Enduro last weekend . First stop on the North American Premier Series. Only stop other than in the Rockies.Long story short my kids are graduating in a few weeks, my house is under contract, and I'm done with the snow and cold in Maine. I grew up in north west Georgia, so the SE is home to me.
My wife and I are relocating this summer. We have been making scouting trips to check out areas of interest and will continue to, but I thought I would ask here to get some hopefully first hand input. Here's the criteria:
We both cycle a lot, I race endurance mountain bikes (I don't do any gravity stuff anymore) and my wife and I enjoy gravel. My wife is really into rock climbing, sport climbing specifically. She loves sandstone.
We have been looking at Western NC (Brevard to Boone), Eastern Tennessee (just west of Chattanooga, and outside Dayton and Wartburg), and extreme South West Virginia as there is good climbing there. We will be making a trip to North Central and North West Arkansas next month. But we are both also interested in Arizona, New Mexico, and southern Utah.
I would love some thoughts and input on the various areas we are looking at. How expensive is the cost of living, what is the political climate is like, how's the weather, etc.
Thanks in advance
We both cycle a lot, I race endurance mountain bikes (I don't do any gravity stuff anymore) and my wife and I enjoy gravel. My wife is really into rock climbing, sport climbing specifically. She loves sandstone.
I lived in Nashville for a while. It isn't bad but not my favorite.Nashville is full.
Check out uniontown Alabama!
Yeah....don't come here for sure. Awful placeGrand junction sucks balls. The meth heads and homeless barely outnumber the cartel human traffickers. There's snow half the year. The other half is 105 degrees. The trails are mud and the rock complete trad climbing choss pile brown sugar. Stay away. 15 round mag restrictions
Ignore the man behind the screen. NC, especially east and central NC, are the place for you.Perfect spot for a yankee.
Go to the southwest.
The south east is a miserable place. Hot and cold and wet and humid and plagued with drought.
You won't like it here.
Maggot endorses this post.Voluntarily moving to North Carolina makes you gay.
Georgia and Alabama are closed.
I have heard that Wyoming is the place to be @Bender.
What are property taxes and vehicle registration costs like?TN is fairly cheap to live. No state income tax, though sales tax is higher than average. Outside the four big cities its very conservative. We repealed almost all knife laws in 2014. Constitutional carry state.
Lots of hills to give a good workout on a bike. Some climbing and rappelling.
Those are fairly low compared to most places.What are property taxes and vehicle registration costs like?
The state has to get their funding from somewhere, so a person needs to look at total costs not just "no state tax".
AZ has a safety valve on the blue though. As the VAST majority of Dems consider only a tiny portion of the state to be habitable. Hence why they continue to cram themselves into just a few cities and counties. So unlike say, CA where weather and support infrastructure allow Dem minions to easily relocate to every nook and cranny of the state, the same can not be said of AZ.AZ has had their governor's seat and two senate seats stolen because of weak voting laws that allow for ballot box stuffing and fraud in Maricopa county, and a ton of Kommiefornians have invaded AZ... But AZ is being fought for and I'm cautiously optimistic that Americans will save AZ from the Dems.
Define "fairly low" and "most places".Those are fairly low compared to most places.
Sales tax is higher than most.
We have sales tax holidays, where there is no tax on school supplies the week before school starts, and several weeks with no sales tax on groceries.
The problem that can arise from doing that is dealing with the poverty of the area. Which brings drug and theft issues. Also declining population usually goes hand in hand with declining tax revenues, which hampers the ability of the county to provide services such as law enforcement and emergency services.Stick with Georgia..... It's like going back and playing on an old baseball field.
In your search, eliminate any region where "Everyone is moving to"........
Look for a Georgia county where the population has declined.
Take the money you save and buy an RV to travel to the spots you enjoy...
Then go back to a quiet, sleepy Georgia county.
You will get old, physically, faster than you can imagine.
After living in the Mojave desert for 34 years (29 Palms) we bought a place in rural NE AZ back in 2017 and moved here full time in 2019.Long story short my kids are graduating in a few weeks, my house is under contract, and I'm done with the snow and cold in Maine. I grew up in north west Georgia, so the SE is home to me.
My wife and I are relocating this summer. We have been making scouting trips to check out areas of interest and will continue to, but I thought I would ask here to get some hopefully first hand input. Here's the criteria:
We both cycle a lot, I race endurance mountain bikes (I don't do any gravity stuff anymore) and my wife and I enjoy gravel. My wife is really into rock climbing, sport climbing specifically. She loves sandstone.
We have been looking at Western NC (Brevard to Boone), Eastern Tennessee (just west of Chattanooga, and outside Dayton and Wartburg), and extreme South West Virginia as there is good climbing there. We will be making a trip to North Central and North West Arkansas next month. But we are both also interested in Arizona, New Mexico, and southern Utah.
I would love some thoughts and input on the various areas we are looking at. How expensive is the cost of living, what is the political climate is like, how's the weather, etc.
Thanks in advance
In a special session being held on Monday 9/11 the Arkansas Legislature is looking to gut that state's FOIA to prevent its residents from seeing what their .gov is doing.Need any advice or help in regards to NW Arkansas , holler at me I was there last weekend , there were bikes EVERYWHERE !! You’re from Georgia, so humidity and bugs wouldn’t be anything worse here. Behind my AO they had the Big Mountain Enduro last weekend . First stop on the North American Premier Series. Only stop other than in the Rockies.
Cost of living and everything else has gone up , but still below most everywhere else. Arkansas is a RED state , Constitutional Carry state. NW Arkansas has its share of libtards and Yankees , but they are way in the minority.
Arkansans are friendly and helpful to a fault sometimes , but they aren’t stupid as many think. As mentioned weather wise , we have 4 seasons for sure , but NW Arkansas is always different from elsewhere in the state. Not as brutal Summers as say the Arkansas River Valley.
Hope this helps
I understand that perspective well... I'll play the "Devil's Advocate" for a moment.The problem that can arise from doing that is dealing with the poverty of the area. Which brings drug and theft issues. Also declining population usually goes hand in hand with declining tax revenues, which hampers the ability of the county to provide services such as law enforcement and emergency services.
Declining population is followed by stores and other providers closing as they become unprofitable.
In today's world, where anyone who can is fleeing the cities and blue states for any rural location they think will be safer, any rural area that isn't seeing an influx of people must really have issues.
AZ has a safety valve on the blue though. As the VAST majority of Dems consider only a tiny portion of the state to be habitable. Hence why they continue to cram themselves into just a few cities and counties. So unlike say, CA where weather and support infrastructure allow Dem minions to easily relocate to every nook and cranny of the state, the same can not be said of AZ.
So while the Governor and Senators might stay blue due to the effect of population density in Dem areas on state wide elections, the State Legislature is dominated by red as most legislative districts vote Repub.
My two acres here run $800.Define "fairly low" and "most places".
Low compared to NJ...is one thing, while low compared to AZ is another.
From my experience while researching a place to relocate to before we picked AZ here is an example of property taxes...
2 properties we looked at, both 3bd/2ba, 1500ish sqft on 10 acres
Montana $900 a year
Texas $5400 a year.
Here in rural AZ even with paying state income tax along with my (sub $800 a year) property taxes, I am saving more than $4000 over what just property tax would have cost me in "no state tax" TX. And we are on 72 acres here instead of just 10.
I didn't mean, "to follow the crowd" either. Just that moving to a rural area in population decline isn't usually a good thing. Yes drugs are a problem all over but they are much more of a problem in poorer/depressed areas. Those methbillies have fewer targets to choose from in order to steal what they need to buy their fix.I understand that perspective well... I'll play the "Devil's Advocate" for a moment.
The flip side is following the crowd to an area with no poverty. Drug issues are everywhere. Theft, in many cases depends on the Local Sheriff.
The local Sheriff can disappear as fast as the next election or who buy's the county commissioners.
Demographics (increasing / declining population) is tracked well by the UHaul and Moving Van companies. I watched Houston, Morgan city and other Gulf Coast cities become ghost towns when the oil industry crashed. I've watched towns like Austin become a 25 year boom town. Detroit was rock solid until the auto industry evolved.
People have left the cities in cycles. Today's head lines say "Workers must return to the office"... The tide changed.
Name the top 3 priorities you MUST have. If you are lucky, you will find that place. From priority #4 down to the bottom of your list is things you are going to have to accept and deal with.
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My 1452 sqft 2bd/2ba log house on 72 acres (grid power/well/septic) costs me less then $800.My two acres here run $800.
Sure but that's desert land.My 1452 sqft 2bd/2ba log house on 72 acres (grid power/well/septic) costs me less then $800.
Yes, we went all over NC as it was on the list but my wife's primary is Sport climbing. There really isn't much of that in NC. We have settled on NW Arkansas (just outside of Jasper). Should be closing on land soon.I know this thread is a little old, but NC has some of the best climbing in the south. Lots of trad climbing at places like Table Rock, Linville Gorge, Looking Glass. Go slabbing at Stone Mtn with 50’ run outs between bolts at 5.10 (that is a mental gut check). If you have stones of steel, check out Whitesides, 10+ pitches at 5.12. I’ve never been there, the easiest climbs have always been over my head. We also have a lot of Mtn biking trails. The Tsali area near Nantahala has so many trails that you couldn’t ride them all in a solid week. NC is a cool place, just stay away from Charlotte, with its big city BS and democratic run govt, and Asheville, full of leftists and weirdo’s.
But many of the Repubs that got elected are much more conservative then the ones they replaced. And those 3(?) seats get harder to come by once you get out of the major metropolitan areas.The Arizona legislature is only a few seats away from being Democrat controlled. Maybe 3? This state is not safely red anymore.
Than you might want to consider this (that I posted earlier in thread)...Yes, we went all over NC as it was on the list but my wife's primary is Sport climbing. There really isn't much of that in NC. We have settled on NW Arkansas (just outside of Jasper). Should be closing on land soon.
Thank you to everyone who contributed.
He's full of shit. TN is backwards as fuck. The tooth fairy is broke and on welfare. General Motors couldn't even keep a plant here because the people were too Stoopid to do assembly line work. Do I even need to say MEMPHIS? Wanna see the Chattanooga Choo Choo? Better bring the 2nd Battalion. Better learn to speak Mexican cuz all the cock suckers are here.Those are fairly low compared to most places.
Sales tax is higher than most.
We have sales tax holidays, where there is no tax on school supplies the week before school starts, and several weeks with no sales tax on groceries.
Yes, we went all over NC as it was on the list but my wife's primary is Sport climbing. There really isn't much of that in NC. We have settled on NW Arkansas (just outside of Jasper). Should be closing on land soon.
Thank you to everyone who contributed.
Yes, we went all over NC as it was on the list but my wife's primary is Sport climbing. There really isn't much of that in NC. We have settled on NW Arkansas (just outside of Jasper). Should be closing on land soon.
Thank you to everyone who contributed.
Welcome to Da Boons jbellLong story short my kids are graduating in a few weeks, my house is under contract, and I'm done with the snow and cold in Maine. I grew up in north west Georgia, so the SE is home to me.
My wife and I are relocating this summer. We have been making scouting trips to check out areas of interest and will continue to, but I thought I would ask here to get some hopefully first hand input. Here's the criteria:
We both cycle a lot, I race endurance mountain bikes (I don't do any gravity stuff anymore) and my wife and I enjoy gravel. My wife is really into rock climbing, sport climbing specifically. She loves sandstone.
We have been looking at Western NC (Brevard to Boone), Eastern Tennessee (just west of Chattanooga, and outside Dayton and Wartburg), and extreme South West Virginia as there is good climbing there. We will be making a trip to North Central and North West Arkansas next month. But we are both also interested in Arizona, New Mexico, and southern Utah.
I would love some thoughts and input on the various areas we are looking at. How expensive is the cost of living, what is the political climate is like, how's the weather, etc.
Thanks in advance
The GM plant in Spring Hill is still running, and is their largest plant. We also have VW and Nissan.He's full of shit. TN is backwards as fuck. The tooth fairy is broke and on welfare. General Motors couldn't even keep a plant here because the people were too Stoopid to do assembly line work. Do I even need to say MEMPHIS? Wanna see the Chattanooga Choo Choo? Better bring the 2nd Battalion. Better learn to speak Mexican cuz all the cock suckers are here.
The GM plant in Spring Hill is still running, and is their largest plant. We also have VW and Nissan.
This is a big one. My chiropractor is originally from AZ. He says the summers here with lower temps but higher humidity feels much hotter than there with much hotter temps and near zero humidity.Comes down to weather, do you prefer dry heat or humidity?