I am interested in purchasing my first AK-47, and an underfolder type has caught my attention. Was interested in hearing from any of you who have experience with these types of AK's. Are there cons to going with an underfolder as opposed to a fixed stock or sidefolder. Thanks.
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Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Personal preference. It's all about ergonomics.
Personal preference. It's all about ergonomics.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Really hard to say from the info you gave. The under folder will not give you a good cheek weld and is comfortable but maybe a more compact. On the other hand depending on the side folder and there are a lot of different ones the stock can be as effective as a fixed stock.
Really hard to say from the info you gave. The under folder will not give you a good cheek weld and is comfortable but maybe a more compact. On the other hand depending on the side folder and there are a lot of different ones the stock can be as effective as a fixed stock.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Tactical_tom hit the nail on the head. I like the uder folder for looks but for usablity a side folder can be very nice if they are thicker. I used a wire one and was not pleased. I used a thicker one and it was just like a wooden stock.
Tactical_tom hit the nail on the head. I like the uder folder for looks but for usablity a side folder can be very nice if they are thicker. I used a wire one and was not pleased. I used a thicker one and it was just like a wooden stock.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
My suggestion is to get an AK pistol, pay the $200 tax, and throw a side folder on there. Compact and accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA
The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
My suggestion is to get an AK pistol, pay the $200 tax, and throw a side folder on there. Compact and accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders.
The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip.</div></div>
I would like to see some proof to support this statement. 1" at 50 yards with iron sights and good ammo is <span style="font-weight: bold">far</span> from inaccurate. Inheritently reliable, yes. Inheritently inaccurate - bs! Besides, don't forget what these were designed for in the first place...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip.</div></div>
I would like to see some proof to support this statement. 1" at 50 yards with iron sights and good ammo is <span style="font-weight: bold">far</span> from inaccurate. Inheritently reliable, yes. Inheritently inaccurate - bs! Besides, don't forget what these were designed for in the first place...
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Some AK’s are terribly inaccurate, while others can shoot 2-3 MOA at 100 yards which is decent. If it was me I would pick a VZ-58 over the AK if I had to get something in 7.62x39 which was inexpensive.
Some AK’s are terribly inaccurate, while others can shoot 2-3 MOA at 100 yards which is decent. If it was me I would pick a VZ-58 over the AK if I had to get something in 7.62x39 which was inexpensive.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Without straying anymore from the topic.. The AK's Ive had, have all held around 2-5 moa, the most accurate being a Yugo. The Yugo I have is a century build (suprisingly accurate) with a fixed stock.
I really like the sidefolders for portability and good cheek weld. Ive tried the underfolders and I just cant shoot them well. I would try to shoot a few before making your purchase.
Hope that helps.
Ren
Without straying anymore from the topic.. The AK's Ive had, have all held around 2-5 moa, the most accurate being a Yugo. The Yugo I have is a century build (suprisingly accurate) with a fixed stock.
I really like the sidefolders for portability and good cheek weld. Ive tried the underfolders and I just cant shoot them well. I would try to shoot a few before making your purchase.
Hope that helps.
Ren
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Thanks for the all the replies. I will look into the Arsenal Side Folders as mentioned by ORD. Is there anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks for the all the replies. I will look into the Arsenal Side Folders as mentioned by ORD. Is there anything else I should be aware of?
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
If you find something fixed and want to convert check out "ace" side folder. I picked one up awhile back and am VERY pleased with
it. Locks up very solid and recoil isn't bad with it either. I mounted it on my sar1. Plenty sufficient for what it is and its intended use.
If you find something fixed and want to convert check out "ace" side folder. I picked one up awhile back and am VERY pleased with
it. Locks up very solid and recoil isn't bad with it either. I mounted it on my sar1. Plenty sufficient for what it is and its intended use.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Thanks Nightmare, Ill check it out.
Thanks Nightmare, Ill check it out.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
From a relative perspective, in comparison to say . . . an AR15, it simply doesn't have the tolerances and rigidity to be as accurate. Can they be made accurate? Yes. But all things being equal, it takes more adjustment of the Kalashnikov design to be as accurate as an AR.
Now, does that mean that it's a poor design? Hell no. My ARs are great for hunting and target shooting, but my AK is what I would gab if western civilization melted down.
No one gun can do it all. For what it's for, the AK is damn near perfect.
That said, I'd still go with an SBR with a side folder. Wire and under-folders are just to quirky for me.
From a relative perspective, in comparison to say . . . an AR15, it simply doesn't have the tolerances and rigidity to be as accurate. Can they be made accurate? Yes. But all things being equal, it takes more adjustment of the Kalashnikov design to be as accurate as an AR.
Now, does that mean that it's a poor design? Hell no. My ARs are great for hunting and target shooting, but my AK is what I would gab if western civilization melted down.
No one gun can do it all. For what it's for, the AK is damn near perfect.
That said, I'd still go with an SBR with a side folder. Wire and under-folders are just to quirky for me.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders. </div></div>
Ord nailed it. Underfolders, not for me unstalbe, uncomfortable and lousy cheek weld. Side folders are not created equal. Fixed stocked best bet unless it's one of the Arsenal's or the original Galil's side folders.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders. </div></div>
Ord nailed it. Underfolders, not for me unstalbe, uncomfortable and lousy cheek weld. Side folders are not created equal. Fixed stocked best bet unless it's one of the Arsenal's or the original Galil's side folders.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Well I'll let you know as soon as I get everything put together. Just got the ACE receiver block, 8.5" Ace stock and a folding mech from Stormwerkz which seems to be a bit better lock up than the Ace mech.
Ace block needs to be milled down to fit the Arsenal SGL21 Saiga.
AK100 style stock would have been my first choice if doing this again. Retrofitting it ended up being much more involed than I expected so I went with the Ace.
Well I'll let you know as soon as I get everything put together. Just got the ACE receiver block, 8.5" Ace stock and a folding mech from Stormwerkz which seems to be a bit better lock up than the Ace mech.
Ace block needs to be milled down to fit the Arsenal SGL21 Saiga.
AK100 style stock would have been my first choice if doing this again. Retrofitting it ended up being much more involed than I expected so I went with the Ace.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders. </div></div>
Amen.. couldnt agree more. SLR107cr.. with perm attached Chris Butler (akusa) flash supressor/compensator.
Sorry... couldnt resist to not post some porn.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders. </div></div>
Amen.. couldnt agree more. SLR107cr.. with perm attached Chris Butler (akusa) flash supressor/compensator.
Sorry... couldnt resist to not post some porn.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
My suggestion is to get an AK pistol, pay the $200 tax, and throw a side folder on there. Compact and accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA
</div></div>
Bullshit! Cheap shit build AK's are inherently inaccurate as are any cheap half assed rifle, shotgun or anything else.
Quit propagating internet myths. AK's are not inherently inaccurate nor are DI AR's uber prone to malfunctions.
Learn how to run them and they will run fine, and be accurate for what they were designed for.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
My suggestion is to get an AK pistol, pay the $200 tax, and throw a side folder on there. Compact and accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA
</div></div>
Bullshit! Cheap shit build AK's are inherently inaccurate as are any cheap half assed rifle, shotgun or anything else.
Quit propagating internet myths. AK's are not inherently inaccurate nor are DI AR's uber prone to malfunctions.
Learn how to run them and they will run fine, and be accurate for what they were designed for.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mavrick10_2000</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
My suggestion is to get an AK pistol, pay the $200 tax, and throw a side folder on there. Compact and accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA
</div></div>
Bullshit! Cheap shit build AK's are inherently inaccurate as are any cheap half assed rifle, shotgun or anything else.
Quit propagating internet myths. AK's are not inherently inaccurate nor are DI AR's uber prone to malfunctions.
Learn how to run them and they will run fine, and be accurate for what they were designed for. </div></div>
+1. Could not have said it better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mavrick10_2000</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
My suggestion is to get an AK pistol, pay the $200 tax, and throw a side folder on there. Compact and accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA
</div></div>
Bullshit! Cheap shit build AK's are inherently inaccurate as are any cheap half assed rifle, shotgun or anything else.
Quit propagating internet myths. AK's are not inherently inaccurate nor are DI AR's uber prone to malfunctions.
Learn how to run them and they will run fine, and be accurate for what they were designed for. </div></div>
+1. Could not have said it better.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I've had a few AK's over the years, with the 1st being a fixed-buttstock. I kept it for awhile, but sold it off, trying to find an AK that fit me better.
I ended-up with a couple different "under-folder's," thinking, even tho a good cheekweld(or ANY kind of cheekweld for that matter) is pretty well non-existent, that I could live with it, if I could just find a stock that "fit" me. Needless to say, even after trying the para-cord wrap, I couldn't get any kind of consistent/repeatable cheekweld was impossible, & the 2-different under-folding stocks I tried fit me even worse than the old, fixed-buttstock. I went without an AK-style rifle in my gun cabinet for 3-4yrs, but about this time last year, the AK-bug took another big bite outta me, so I dipped into the emergency gunshow fund, once again trying my luck, & putting all my chips on "fixed-stock" at the AK-roulette table. The rifle I bought looked to have excellent fit-N-finish(as far as AK fit-N-finish goes, anyhow! Ha), was assembled/rebuilt by someone who knew his way around a Kalashnikov, & was fitted with a durable-looking, synthetic buttstock/handguards. Shouldering the rifle at the gunshow, the synthetic buttstock felt a little longer, & while it definitely doesn't feel as comfortable as a Vltor/Magpul AR-stock, it was a damn-sight better than the previous 3-AK's I've owned. I can get a consistent cheekweld on it, & it's "almost" long enough to be comfortable, so I guess I'll hold onto this one, until I can find a better one. I know there are AK's out there that fit me close to perfect, because I've shouldered at least 3-4 owned by shooting buddies that are near-perfect for me, but i could never talk them outta those rifles. I've tried to tell myself that the fit is all in my head, because looking at them side-by-side by the AK's I've owned, I honestly couldn't tell a lick of difference, but there damn sure is!! An AK's fit is a 2-part problem for me #1)Length; either my arms are too long, or Kalashnikov's were too damn short! #2)Sight-alignment; if I find a stock that's long enough, the stock angle(receiver-to-buttpad) is outta-whack so bad for me, that even tho the "length of pull" feels good, I have to strain/wiggle-around just to get-down on the stock enough to line-up the front & rear sights. Otherwise, the front-sight blade is up far too high. Reminds me of trying to use the irons on a '99-'05 Rem M-7400, where the addition of a comb allowed for a comfortable cheekweld when using a scope, but if a shooter wanted to shoot w/ the irons, even the lowest he could get, the FS-blade looked to be 1/4"+ above the notch in the rear-leaf.
I've never even shouldered an AK w/a folding-buttstock. Either that's a relatively new on the U.S. AK-market(like in the last 5-8yrs), or it just wasn't widely available/popular. Are the side-folders made out of the same steel/wire material as the under-folders, or are they wood/synthetic, like a fixed-buttstock except with some kinda joint/hinge where it folds?
As far as "length-o'-pull," do the side-folders tend to be a shorter stock like the under-folders, or approx. the same length as the tradtional, fixed AK-stock, or(please Lord!) might they even be a fraction longer than a fixed-buttstock???
Does anyone know if any of the companies that manufacture AR-stocks, might possibly make an AK-version, or if any individuals out there who have come-up with a way to adapt any of the 100's of AR-stocks to fit an AK-type rifle solidly. Say for instance, any of the more robust, collapsable AR-stocks like Vltor's E-Mod, or even the 6-position Mako-stock?
I guess I got way-off on a tangent, but it's always bugged the shit outta me to have an accurate, affordable, & tough-as-nails, tank of a rifle, that might as well be useless to me in a self-defense situation, because the BG could empty his 1st mag, & be halfway threw his 2nd, while I'm still trying to get a damn sight-picture. Ha
I've had a few AK's over the years, with the 1st being a fixed-buttstock. I kept it for awhile, but sold it off, trying to find an AK that fit me better.
I ended-up with a couple different "under-folder's," thinking, even tho a good cheekweld(or ANY kind of cheekweld for that matter) is pretty well non-existent, that I could live with it, if I could just find a stock that "fit" me. Needless to say, even after trying the para-cord wrap, I couldn't get any kind of consistent/repeatable cheekweld was impossible, & the 2-different under-folding stocks I tried fit me even worse than the old, fixed-buttstock. I went without an AK-style rifle in my gun cabinet for 3-4yrs, but about this time last year, the AK-bug took another big bite outta me, so I dipped into the emergency gunshow fund, once again trying my luck, & putting all my chips on "fixed-stock" at the AK-roulette table. The rifle I bought looked to have excellent fit-N-finish(as far as AK fit-N-finish goes, anyhow! Ha), was assembled/rebuilt by someone who knew his way around a Kalashnikov, & was fitted with a durable-looking, synthetic buttstock/handguards. Shouldering the rifle at the gunshow, the synthetic buttstock felt a little longer, & while it definitely doesn't feel as comfortable as a Vltor/Magpul AR-stock, it was a damn-sight better than the previous 3-AK's I've owned. I can get a consistent cheekweld on it, & it's "almost" long enough to be comfortable, so I guess I'll hold onto this one, until I can find a better one. I know there are AK's out there that fit me close to perfect, because I've shouldered at least 3-4 owned by shooting buddies that are near-perfect for me, but i could never talk them outta those rifles. I've tried to tell myself that the fit is all in my head, because looking at them side-by-side by the AK's I've owned, I honestly couldn't tell a lick of difference, but there damn sure is!! An AK's fit is a 2-part problem for me #1)Length; either my arms are too long, or Kalashnikov's were too damn short! #2)Sight-alignment; if I find a stock that's long enough, the stock angle(receiver-to-buttpad) is outta-whack so bad for me, that even tho the "length of pull" feels good, I have to strain/wiggle-around just to get-down on the stock enough to line-up the front & rear sights. Otherwise, the front-sight blade is up far too high. Reminds me of trying to use the irons on a '99-'05 Rem M-7400, where the addition of a comb allowed for a comfortable cheekweld when using a scope, but if a shooter wanted to shoot w/ the irons, even the lowest he could get, the FS-blade looked to be 1/4"+ above the notch in the rear-leaf.
I've never even shouldered an AK w/a folding-buttstock. Either that's a relatively new on the U.S. AK-market(like in the last 5-8yrs), or it just wasn't widely available/popular. Are the side-folders made out of the same steel/wire material as the under-folders, or are they wood/synthetic, like a fixed-buttstock except with some kinda joint/hinge where it folds?
As far as "length-o'-pull," do the side-folders tend to be a shorter stock like the under-folders, or approx. the same length as the tradtional, fixed AK-stock, or(please Lord!) might they even be a fraction longer than a fixed-buttstock???
Does anyone know if any of the companies that manufacture AR-stocks, might possibly make an AK-version, or if any individuals out there who have come-up with a way to adapt any of the 100's of AR-stocks to fit an AK-type rifle solidly. Say for instance, any of the more robust, collapsable AR-stocks like Vltor's E-Mod, or even the 6-position Mako-stock?
I guess I got way-off on a tangent, but it's always bugged the shit outta me to have an accurate, affordable, & tough-as-nails, tank of a rifle, that might as well be useless to me in a self-defense situation, because the BG could empty his 1st mag, & be halfway threw his 2nd, while I'm still trying to get a damn sight-picture. Ha
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I've never understood how anyone could make the argument that the AK's "lack" of accuracy somehow made it an inferior weapon? Now I don't make any bones about it, I'm an AR-fanboy, & I see faults in the AK(ergonomics to start with), but the whole "AK can't hit shit" argument is a load of BS, & always has been.
1st, it's generally accepted by all that AK's normally fall somewhere between 3.0MOA-5.0MOA, or 3"-5" at 100m, some
shoot well under 3.0MOA, & others shoot over 5MOA. SWAG says the average AK-type rifle(which includes God only knows how many variants/manufacturers) averages right at 4.0MOA(+/-).
The US Military's standard, accuracy standard for the M16/AR15 has for years been(I believe STILL is,) ~ 4.0MOA, & for a LONG time, all I can remember hearing is how inaccurate the M16 was, or that it cost gobs & gobs of $$$ to get 1 to shoot decent(usually described decent as able to hold 1.5-2.5" at 100m).
So for Military purposes, the M16/AR15 & AK-47 are damn near tied-up, w/ the slight edge going to the M16.
Now look at the methods & costs of manufacturing those 2-rifles!
The M16 is made at modern, hi-tech facilities like Colt or FN, from top-quality materials/components, extremely close tolerances measured by state-of-the-art machinery, how much time/money devoted to quality control, & we're not even getting into the quality of the ammunition we feed it!
Maybe someone could look-up what a new M16 costs the US Gov't/Military, & post-it for us?
Now look at all the 3rd-World shitholes that are stamping-out AK-47's, the shortcuts on materials to save money, & the fact that we really have NO CLUE what kinda gerry-riggin' shit went-on with many of the AK's that turned-up in this country!
Just by comparing the cost, quality, & time of manufacturing both rifles, just the fact that the AK averages almost, if not just as good in the accuracy department as the M16, kinda supports the argument that either the M16 is an inferior rifle to the AK-47, or the M16's manufacturing process is, one!
I've never understood how anyone could make the argument that the AK's "lack" of accuracy somehow made it an inferior weapon? Now I don't make any bones about it, I'm an AR-fanboy, & I see faults in the AK(ergonomics to start with), but the whole "AK can't hit shit" argument is a load of BS, & always has been.
1st, it's generally accepted by all that AK's normally fall somewhere between 3.0MOA-5.0MOA, or 3"-5" at 100m, some
shoot well under 3.0MOA, & others shoot over 5MOA. SWAG says the average AK-type rifle(which includes God only knows how many variants/manufacturers) averages right at 4.0MOA(+/-).
The US Military's standard, accuracy standard for the M16/AR15 has for years been(I believe STILL is,) ~ 4.0MOA, & for a LONG time, all I can remember hearing is how inaccurate the M16 was, or that it cost gobs & gobs of $$$ to get 1 to shoot decent(usually described decent as able to hold 1.5-2.5" at 100m).
So for Military purposes, the M16/AR15 & AK-47 are damn near tied-up, w/ the slight edge going to the M16.
Now look at the methods & costs of manufacturing those 2-rifles!
The M16 is made at modern, hi-tech facilities like Colt or FN, from top-quality materials/components, extremely close tolerances measured by state-of-the-art machinery, how much time/money devoted to quality control, & we're not even getting into the quality of the ammunition we feed it!
Maybe someone could look-up what a new M16 costs the US Gov't/Military, & post-it for us?
Now look at all the 3rd-World shitholes that are stamping-out AK-47's, the shortcuts on materials to save money, & the fact that we really have NO CLUE what kinda gerry-riggin' shit went-on with many of the AK's that turned-up in this country!
Just by comparing the cost, quality, & time of manufacturing both rifles, just the fact that the AK averages almost, if not just as good in the accuracy department as the M16, kinda supports the argument that either the M16 is an inferior rifle to the AK-47, or the M16's manufacturing process is, one!
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Remember folks...this is a stock type thread...not an AR vs. AK, accuracy vs. inaccuracy thread. There are plenty of threads floating around that beat this poor, dead (LONG DEAD) horse to death even more!
That said...nobody is going to claim that AK's are "precision" rifles or anything of the sort. HOWEVER, your average AK with decent ammo and with a shooter that knows how to operate the rifle, is highly capable of delivering more than sufficient accuracy to accomplish the job it was designed to perform!! (For those wandering in the wilderness with no clues of what the AK was designed for...I mean 3-4MOA "battle rifle" accuracy and maybe slightly better)!
Now, with more modern AK variants like the Arsenal AKs for example...using the best components like milled receivers, quality barrels, triggers that don't feel like dragging a cinder block down a gravel road, some tighter tolerances that enhance accuracy while not sacrificing the undaunted reliability of the platform...you can and do achieve a rifle that is capable of similar out-of-the-box accuracy as your basic AR-15. I can speak from experience that my Arsenal SAM7 (7.62) and SLR-106FR (5.56) rifles are outstanding shooters with decent ammo...particularly the 106FR which LOVES the heavy stuff from 75-77gr!!
Remember folks...this is a stock type thread...not an AR vs. AK, accuracy vs. inaccuracy thread. There are plenty of threads floating around that beat this poor, dead (LONG DEAD) horse to death even more!
That said...nobody is going to claim that AK's are "precision" rifles or anything of the sort. HOWEVER, your average AK with decent ammo and with a shooter that knows how to operate the rifle, is highly capable of delivering more than sufficient accuracy to accomplish the job it was designed to perform!! (For those wandering in the wilderness with no clues of what the AK was designed for...I mean 3-4MOA "battle rifle" accuracy and maybe slightly better)!
Now, with more modern AK variants like the Arsenal AKs for example...using the best components like milled receivers, quality barrels, triggers that don't feel like dragging a cinder block down a gravel road, some tighter tolerances that enhance accuracy while not sacrificing the undaunted reliability of the platform...you can and do achieve a rifle that is capable of similar out-of-the-box accuracy as your basic AR-15. I can speak from experience that my Arsenal SAM7 (7.62) and SLR-106FR (5.56) rifles are outstanding shooters with decent ammo...particularly the 106FR which LOVES the heavy stuff from 75-77gr!!
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ren</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders. </div></div>
Amen.. couldnt agree more. SLR107cr.. with perm attached Chris Butler (akusa) flash supressor/compensator.
Sorry... couldnt resist to not post some porn.
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That is a fine looking wench right there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ren</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The underfolders are genuinely uncomfortable and unstable in my experience. They look "cool" but are limited in functionality. About the only thing you can do to "help" with the comfort/cheek weld is to wrap the stock with paracord, but that isn't really much of a solution.
The side folders are numerous and not all created equally. The Arsenal Inc. type folders (a full-size type stock that is hinged and folds to the left of the receiver) is my favorite. With the stock folded, you get 100% function from the rifle and it is relieved to permit you to have a scope mount and still fold/lock in place. They are extremely compact when folded at around 27" in total length which eases transport/etc. When extended, you have the benefits of a full-size, fixed stock including a good cheek weld and stability. They have a rock solid locking mechanism. They offer them in 5.56 (the SLR-106F and FR) and 7.62x39 (the SLR-107F). Here you go:
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=25&cat=10&page=1
The wire folders...not so much for me personally for the same reasons as the underfolders. </div></div>
Amen.. couldnt agree more. SLR107cr.. with perm attached Chris Butler (akusa) flash supressor/compensator.
Sorry... couldnt resist to not post some porn.
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That is a fine looking wench right there.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Yep, I agree the "basic" AKs that are not the so called "high end models",..if there is really such a thing, are designed as straight up assault rifles. I have a Yugo underfolder and I "combat zeroed" the thing at 25 meters in a 1" group,...I can hit a 6" inch paper plate at 100 meters all day long and that is fine for what this thing is designed to do and I don't worry about the lack of cheak weld, etc. If targets get that far out or that small,...I'll grab my 308.
Yep, I agree the "basic" AKs that are not the so called "high end models",..if there is really such a thing, are designed as straight up assault rifles. I have a Yugo underfolder and I "combat zeroed" the thing at 25 meters in a 1" group,...I can hit a 6" inch paper plate at 100 meters all day long and that is fine for what this thing is designed to do and I don't worry about the lack of cheak weld, etc. If targets get that far out or that small,...I'll grab my 308.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
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BS +1.
Check out Valmet, Galil or Sako AK:s.
My Sako AK shoots 1½ moa or under with std army FMJ ammo.
Good AK:s are not cheap, but they do exist.
Its all about materials and workmanship. Comparing good AK to junk that 99% of rifles sold in US are is like comparing chinese made AR15 to Colt AR.
About topic: underfolder sucks in all shooting related aspects.
Fixed stocks come in various forms, but most are made for midgets.
If you want to go with more compact solution, look for Galil sidefolder of go with AR15 butt adaptor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utnapishtim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The AK's, unless you get one of the Bulgarian heavy barreled versions , are inherently inaccurate, mostly due to barrel whip. I picked up an old-styled AK pistol (not the Draco), and I may or may not SBR it. The shorter barrel is actually more accurate out to 100-150 yards because of the lack of barrel whip.
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BS +1.
Check out Valmet, Galil or Sako AK:s.
My Sako AK shoots 1½ moa or under with std army FMJ ammo.
Good AK:s are not cheap, but they do exist.
Its all about materials and workmanship. Comparing good AK to junk that 99% of rifles sold in US are is like comparing chinese made AR15 to Colt AR.
About topic: underfolder sucks in all shooting related aspects.
Fixed stocks come in various forms, but most are made for midgets.
If you want to go with more compact solution, look for Galil sidefolder of go with AR15 butt adaptor.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
here's a us made side folder that's strong and locks up tight.
can't remember the maker, but i like it.
here's a us made side folder that's strong and locks up tight.
can't remember the maker, but i like it.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
In my experience with AKs, the best side folder is Chinese "red" sidefolder, made with heavy gauge still and bakelite plates. They came in limited number as 56S-2. Some were sold at very reasonable price lately (1200-1300)
In my experience with AKs, the best side folder is Chinese "red" sidefolder, made with heavy gauge still and bakelite plates. They came in limited number as 56S-2. Some were sold at very reasonable price lately (1200-1300)
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Had a AMD-65 Hungarian FEG w the wire side folder. Bad cheek weld, nice gun. If you research, there is a guy who makes bolt on risers w a soft pad that alleviate the problem. IMHO fixed stock is the way to go but folder are soooo cool!
Had a AMD-65 Hungarian FEG w the wire side folder. Bad cheek weld, nice gun. If you research, there is a guy who makes bolt on risers w a soft pad that alleviate the problem. IMHO fixed stock is the way to go but folder are soooo cool!
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
It's all a matter of personal picks based on what you need and want as stated earlier. The underfolders are very unconfortable to maintain a proper stock weld. The best fixed or sidefolders in my oppinion are made by Arsenal. The side folder they make, SLR 107, feels like a regular fixed stock AK or can be folded down to your needs. They make high quality AK's of all types and calibers. They cost a little bit more, but shoot better than all others that I have experienced.
It's all a matter of personal picks based on what you need and want as stated earlier. The underfolders are very unconfortable to maintain a proper stock weld. The best fixed or sidefolders in my oppinion are made by Arsenal. The side folder they make, SLR 107, feels like a regular fixed stock AK or can be folded down to your needs. They make high quality AK's of all types and calibers. They cost a little bit more, but shoot better than all others that I have experienced.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
from my very little experience...
underfolder- sucks on stockweld, not comfortable at all against your face, the only way it doesnt matter is if its spray and pray full auto fire. The one time I shot one like this I just picked it up and pulled the "buttplate" section of the folding stock against my flak jacket and proceeded to dump the magazine. - like that it didnt bother me, but the rest of the time, its really uncomfortable against your face, and you also have to take the magazine out to fold it or unfold it.
fixed - most comfortable against the face and sturdiest for buttstroking both animate and inanimate objects. - but since there's not buffer tube inside that stock, you might as well get a side folder because at the very least, it atleast makes it easier to store and transport.
side folder- my personal preference, and prolly the best of both worlds in my humble opinion.
just please dont get the plastic TAPCO galil style folding stock. I dropped my AK from 1 foot in the air while painting it, it fell that 1 foot, and the impact on my workbench was enough to break the locking mechanism on that cheap POS, as such I'm still in the market for a new folding stock.
from my very little experience...
underfolder- sucks on stockweld, not comfortable at all against your face, the only way it doesnt matter is if its spray and pray full auto fire. The one time I shot one like this I just picked it up and pulled the "buttplate" section of the folding stock against my flak jacket and proceeded to dump the magazine. - like that it didnt bother me, but the rest of the time, its really uncomfortable against your face, and you also have to take the magazine out to fold it or unfold it.
fixed - most comfortable against the face and sturdiest for buttstroking both animate and inanimate objects. - but since there's not buffer tube inside that stock, you might as well get a side folder because at the very least, it atleast makes it easier to store and transport.
side folder- my personal preference, and prolly the best of both worlds in my humble opinion.
just please dont get the plastic TAPCO galil style folding stock. I dropped my AK from 1 foot in the air while painting it, it fell that 1 foot, and the impact on my workbench was enough to break the locking mechanism on that cheap POS, as such I'm still in the market for a new folding stock.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
There is another option......Arsenal makes AK's built like the Soviet AK-100 with a side-folding full size synthetic stock. I can't give you a model number off hand, but I've had them in my hands and they are compact, and nice to shoulder. Plus they're made by Arsenal....which is generally known for quality.
Phillip
There is another option......Arsenal makes AK's built like the Soviet AK-100 with a side-folding full size synthetic stock. I can't give you a model number off hand, but I've had them in my hands and they are compact, and nice to shoulder. Plus they're made by Arsenal....which is generally known for quality.
Phillip
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Breachers Up</div><div class="ubbcode-body">from my very little experience...
underfolder- sucks on stockweld, not comfortable at all against your face, the only way it doesnt matter is if its spray and pray full auto fire. The one time I shot one like this I just picked it up and pulled the "buttplate" section of the folding stock against my flak jacket and proceeded to dump the magazine. - like that it didnt bother me, but the rest of the time, its really uncomfortable against your face, and you also have to take the magazine out to fold it or unfold it.
fixed - most comfortable against the face and sturdiest for buttstroking both animate and inanimate objects. - but since there's not buffer tube inside that stock, you might as well get a side folder because at the very least, it atleast makes it easier to store and transport.
side folder- my personal preference, and prolly the best of both worlds in my humble opinion.
just please dont get the plastic TAPCO galil style folding stock. I dropped my AK from 1 foot in the air while painting it, it fell that 1 foot, and the impact on my workbench was enough to break the locking mechanism on that cheap POS, as such I'm still in the market for a new folding stock.
</div></div>Thumbs up on this one !! i hate underfolders !! using them years ago with full auto at times with bloody/black-blue cheek many times the hell with one!!!side folder is the way to go !
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Breachers Up</div><div class="ubbcode-body">from my very little experience...
underfolder- sucks on stockweld, not comfortable at all against your face, the only way it doesnt matter is if its spray and pray full auto fire. The one time I shot one like this I just picked it up and pulled the "buttplate" section of the folding stock against my flak jacket and proceeded to dump the magazine. - like that it didnt bother me, but the rest of the time, its really uncomfortable against your face, and you also have to take the magazine out to fold it or unfold it.
fixed - most comfortable against the face and sturdiest for buttstroking both animate and inanimate objects. - but since there's not buffer tube inside that stock, you might as well get a side folder because at the very least, it atleast makes it easier to store and transport.
side folder- my personal preference, and prolly the best of both worlds in my humble opinion.
just please dont get the plastic TAPCO galil style folding stock. I dropped my AK from 1 foot in the air while painting it, it fell that 1 foot, and the impact on my workbench was enough to break the locking mechanism on that cheap POS, as such I'm still in the market for a new folding stock.
</div></div>Thumbs up on this one !! i hate underfolders !! using them years ago with full auto at times with bloody/black-blue cheek many times the hell with one!!!side folder is the way to go !
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I never had a use for a folding stock. Always thought they were more show than go. I like a fixed stock and in order to get one long enough to be more comfortable I made one out of pecan. Add a simple slip on pad and it is real sweet.
I guess a sidefolder if I had some size issue I cant think of right offhand. I'm not a rifle under a raincoat king of guy.
I never had a use for a folding stock. Always thought they were more show than go. I like a fixed stock and in order to get one long enough to be more comfortable I made one out of pecan. Add a simple slip on pad and it is real sweet.
I guess a sidefolder if I had some size issue I cant think of right offhand. I'm not a rifle under a raincoat king of guy.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notquiteright</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not a rifle under a raincoat king of guy. </div></div>
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm more of a shotgun under a raincoat kind of guy myself. LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notquiteright</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not a rifle under a raincoat king of guy. </div></div>
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm more of a shotgun under a raincoat kind of guy myself. LOL
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ogonzalez13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am interested in purchasing my first AK-47, and an underfolder type has caught my attention. Was interested in hearing from any of you who have experience with these types of AK's. Are there cons to going with an underfolder as opposed to a fixed stock or sidefolder. Thanks. </div></div>
I had an underfolder. Cheekweld was uncomfortable to me. I now use a cutom side folder utilizing the Ace mechanism and Sully stock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ogonzalez13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am interested in purchasing my first AK-47, and an underfolder type has caught my attention. Was interested in hearing from any of you who have experience with these types of AK's. Are there cons to going with an underfolder as opposed to a fixed stock or sidefolder. Thanks. </div></div>
I had an underfolder. Cheekweld was uncomfortable to me. I now use a cutom side folder utilizing the Ace mechanism and Sully stock.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I have a side folder as well as a fixed. Honestly I like the fixed much better its a norinco mak90 and I love it. But like previously stated not the most accurate. Hope this helps
I have a side folder as well as a fixed. Honestly I like the fixed much better its a norinco mak90 and I love it. But like previously stated not the most accurate. Hope this helps
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I would recommend an ACE side-folder adapter. It allows for the installation of much more comfortable stocks than a wire underfolder.
I would recommend an ACE side-folder adapter. It allows for the installation of much more comfortable stocks than a wire underfolder.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Breachers Up</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> you also have to take the magazine out to fold it or unfold it.
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I ran up on two underfolders a couple years ago for CHEAP and the stock goes right over the 30 round mags just fine if you fold the butt plate around.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Breachers Up</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> you also have to take the magazine out to fold it or unfold it.
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I ran up on two underfolders a couple years ago for CHEAP and the stock goes right over the 30 round mags just fine if you fold the butt plate around.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I prefer the Russian side folders generally, but you will pay for them either in the price from Arsenal or aftermarket from k-var and have a competent smith to install, which gets even more expensive (trunion replacement, cuts to the receiver etc.
The Bulgy side folders work for me on Krinks as well. You really need to try them out to get a feel for what you prefer and preferably on the caliber you're wanting to purchase.
I prefer the Russian side folders generally, but you will pay for them either in the price from Arsenal or aftermarket from k-var and have a competent smith to install, which gets even more expensive (trunion replacement, cuts to the receiver etc.
The Bulgy side folders work for me on Krinks as well. You really need to try them out to get a feel for what you prefer and preferably on the caliber you're wanting to purchase.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ogonzalez13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ogonzalez13
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I have always thought that AKs are good enough for those who live on the African Continent.
But it looks like you live in the prosperous USA.
Can't you afford and AR15?
I have an SLR95 that in 16 years, I took to the range once, on African culture week.
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I have always thought that AKs are good enough for those who live on the African Continent.
But it looks like you live in the prosperous USA.
Can't you afford and AR15?
I have an SLR95 that in 16 years, I took to the range once, on African culture week.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">underfolder = fragile <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Yep...NO doubt!]</span></span>
sidefolder = heavy <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Nope...Not really!]</span></span> </div></div>
The fragility/instability of the U/F stocks is a given, but I have to disagree with you on the heaviness of the side-folders. Some of the crap-tastic, aftermarket "AR-type" bolt on stuff can be heavy depending on the mounting system and the stock used. However, the basic fixed vs. folder designs from Arsenal Inc, etc. are nearly identical in overall weight with the folders being only a few ounces heavier because of the stock reinforcement and folding hinge/locking mechanism.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">underfolder = fragile <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Yep...NO doubt!]</span></span>
sidefolder = heavy <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Nope...Not really!]</span></span> </div></div>
The fragility/instability of the U/F stocks is a given, but I have to disagree with you on the heaviness of the side-folders. Some of the crap-tastic, aftermarket "AR-type" bolt on stuff can be heavy depending on the mounting system and the stock used. However, the basic fixed vs. folder designs from Arsenal Inc, etc. are nearly identical in overall weight with the folders being only a few ounces heavier because of the stock reinforcement and folding hinge/locking mechanism.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">underfolder = fragile <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Yep...NO doubt!]</span></span>
sidefolder = heavy <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Nope...Not really!]</span></span> </div></div>
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Oooo, feel the rap song coming on...
My baby's a side folder, chicka boom, chicka boom, gonna folder he to the side, chicka boom, chicka boom, gonna hold and fold my AK, chicka boom, chicka boom.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">underfolder = fragile <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Yep...NO doubt!]</span></span>
sidefolder = heavy <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">[Nope...Not really!]</span></span> </div></div>
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Oooo, feel the rap song coming on...
My baby's a side folder, chicka boom, chicka boom, gonna folder he to the side, chicka boom, chicka boom, gonna hold and fold my AK, chicka boom, chicka boom.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
Since AK's are soooo "inaccurate," why even have a stock on one anyways? Just sayin
Since AK's are soooo "inaccurate," why even have a stock on one anyways? Just sayin
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Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I had an M70AB2, but did not like the underfolding stock at all. It moved around and made the innacurate fire even worse.
I had an M70AB2, but did not like the underfolding stock at all. It moved around and made the innacurate fire even worse.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I have fixed stocks on my Polytech AK-47s. I did not like underfolders but never tried out a sidefolder.
I have fixed stocks on my Polytech AK-47s. I did not like underfolders but never tried out a sidefolder.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
I've had the Polytech Legend undefolder and didn't have a lot of faith in the stock's sturdiness.
Liked the Chinese red folder but never owned one.
Have a Valmet tubular side-folder, which has a comfortable cheek weld.
I would recommend looking for one of the old imports; Valmet fixed or folder, Chinese fixed or red folder.
I've had the Polytech Legend undefolder and didn't have a lot of faith in the stock's sturdiness.
Liked the Chinese red folder but never owned one.
Have a Valmet tubular side-folder, which has a comfortable cheek weld.
I would recommend looking for one of the old imports; Valmet fixed or folder, Chinese fixed or red folder.
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I'm all about the triangle folder. The underfolders are very uncomfortable to shoot IMO. I got to where I was not touching my head to it anymore. Just pointing it. Had to go.
I'm all about the triangle folder. The underfolders are very uncomfortable to shoot IMO. I got to where I was not touching my head to it anymore. Just pointing it. Had to go.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JellowJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would recommend an ACE side-folder adapter. It allows for the installation of much more comfortable stocks than a wire underfolder.
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Does that adapter allow for a ar15 style butt-stock or is that another adapter put on the ace adapter? The gun in the pic is exactly what i've been wantng to do.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JellowJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would recommend an ACE side-folder adapter. It allows for the installation of much more comfortable stocks than a wire underfolder.
Does that adapter allow for a ar15 style butt-stock or is that another adapter put on the ace adapter? The gun in the pic is exactly what i've been wantng to do.
Re: AK-47 Underfolder Vs. Fixed Vs. Sidefolders
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okrebel92</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JellowJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would recommend an ACE side-folder adapter. It allows for the installation of much more comfortable stocks than a wire underfolder.
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Does that adapter allow for a ar15 style butt-stock or is that another adapter put on the ace adapter? The gun in the pic is exactly what i've been wantng to do. </div></div>
http://riflestocks.com/store/product106.html its a folding mech with provisions to accept AR end plate and buffer tube.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okrebel92</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JellowJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would recommend an ACE side-folder adapter. It allows for the installation of much more comfortable stocks than a wire underfolder.
Does that adapter allow for a ar15 style butt-stock or is that another adapter put on the ace adapter? The gun in the pic is exactly what i've been wantng to do. </div></div>
http://riflestocks.com/store/product106.html its a folding mech with provisions to accept AR end plate and buffer tube.
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