Precision Rifle Gear Chad vs Botnia

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I’ve shot one round through a Stringer and will say it was enough concussion for me not to try another round.

However, nowadays I recommend none of them. Not the DN5, CHAD, Stringer, Botnia and so on. If you have to use a brake, use the straighter ported ACE or Hawkins Updraft. I used the CHAD and was apart of the original preorder debacle and used it quite a bit. After 2 matches this year I felt like I had a concussion after 2 days of shooting and decided to move away from it.

For the health of the shooters and longevity of the sport I believe suppressors will start to dominate with brakes soon becoming a minority. Only one year of the PRS incentivizing suppressor use the number of suppressors have gone way up and companies like RecoilX make it even more enticing.

There’s nothing about constant concussion to a shooter that can be healthy for you.

I said something similar years ago on this site. As more science comes out we're going to find these concussive brakes are contributing to TBI. Even Kahl mentioned it on a podcast the other day and the reason he switched to a can.

Problem is none of the canned brakes are even close to the effectiveness of a modern brake. Your fundamentals have to be perfect and it's why guys like bushman can win with a ace despite it being a far inferior brake. So for people outside the top 30 or 50 shooters in the world the brake is a competitive advantage IMO. If someone was paying me to shoot for a living and I could spend everyday on the range it would probably work. For most of us with limited time and reps, it's going to be hard to overcome the limitations.

 

[jthor]

I said something similar years ago on this site. As more science comes out we're going to find these conclusive breaks are contributing to TBI. Even Kahl mentioned it on a podcast the other day and the reason he switched to a can.

Problem is none of the canned brakes are even close to the effectiveness of a modern brake. Your fundamentals have to be perfect and it's why guys like bushman can win with a ace despite it being a far inferior brake. So for people outside the top 30 or 50 shooters in the world the brake is a competitive advantage IMO. If someone was paying me to shoot for a living and I could spend everyday on the range it would probably work. For most of us with limited time and reps, it's going to be hard to overcome the limitations.

My answer to that is simply folks need to focus on fundamentals vs trying to buy their way to avoid it/putting in the work. I’m guilty of that in the past and have since changed my whole approach due to the negative effects high perforce concussive brakes have.

If a concussive brake starts to affect your cognitive ability then I don’t believe it’s an advantage.

Another thing is I’ve noticed I see way more shooting suppressed than I ever did using a TMB or CHAD. A part of this is the fact your ocular nerve (might not be the right word) shuts off for a split second during the concussion of the brake. So regardless of suppressor having more recoil, I see more with the suppressor. Additionally I can think better on the clock when shooting suppressed vs a brake.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I had the opposite experience. I shot a can for the first time at a 2 day recently and it was by far the worst match ive shot in 2 years. I couldn't see anything. The gun took forever to settle. It was a braked can as well. Probably not as good as a mav or the new recoil x, but still not terrible.

Going back to the CHAD for now. I just shoot much better with it. I do have one of the recoil x comp brakes sitting here just waiting to buy the can for it. Might give that a shot in the off season but its going to take alot of reps to get comfortable moving to a can.

 

[dscl]

By nature of my shitty state I'm stuck using a CHAD - one day I would like to know can freedom though LOL

 

[epracmetcon]

Problem is none of the canned brakes are even close to the effectiveness of a modern brake. Your fundamentals have to be perfect and it's why guys like bushman can win with a ace despite it being a far inferior brake. So for people outside the top 30 or 50 shooters in the world the brake is a competitive advantage IMO. If someone was paying me to shoot for a living and I could spend everyday on the range it would probably work. For most of us with limited time and reps, it's going to be hard to overcome the limitations.

On these heavy open guns, I beg to differ. I have a Maverick on my Dasher, and now a Scythe STM with the new Recoil X brake on my 25x47. Neither rifle move more than a mil off target and most of the time it is less than half a mil.

I ran a Chad on my 25 before moving to a can, and honestly I feel that I am not losing anything, if anything I feel more at an advantage because I don't blink when the gun goes off anymore.

 

[kthomas]

My answer to that is simply folks need to focus on fundamentals vs trying to buy their way to avoid it/putting in the work. I’m guilty of that in the past and have since changed my whole approach due to the negative effects high perforce concussive brakes have.

If a concussive brake starts to affect your cognitive ability then I don’t believe it’s an advantage.

Another thing is I’ve noticed I see way more shooting suppressed than I ever did using a TMB or CHAD. A part of this is the fact your ocular nerve (might not be the right word) shuts off for a split second during the concussion of the brake. So regardless of suppressor having more recoil, I see more with the suppressor. Additionally I can think better on the clock when shooting suppressed vs a brake.

This.

I've never had an issue spotting impacts while shooting suppressed.

But I can see how shooting suppressed would cause issues with the Jim See school of shooters that employ free recoil and trigger slapping techniques.

 

[rydah]

Yep, I don’t know both sides and both versions of the story… and don’t really care to. Because what I do know is, the guy who basically put a certain company on the map and got them rolling, now wont even say their name… and to me, that says a lot. YMMV.

Guys are free to listen to the podcast and decide what they think for themselves…

Exactly. People know both sides of the story, they simply don’t care about my side of the story. I don’t have any high profile or influential friends in the scene, the Utah crowd were my friends but they all turned their backs on me because that’s the type of people they are and when they did, PRS management and their friends followed suit. So naturally the status quo has been against me for a long time. Which is why and how the counterfeit chad situation was deemed acceptable by the community, dehumanize me and anything that happens after that is justified and okay because I’m bad and you’re fighting a righteous fight. Even stealing my design, bullying me on and offline constantly and trying to push me out of the sport and ruin my life. Your attitude proves my point exactly. People that don’t know me or anything about me, going out of their way to say and do things to hurt me, when they’ve got no idea what they’re talking about. Which is fine, you do you, I’d rather be respected by the real ones and hated by the sheep than the other way round. I’ve never been much for acquaintances anyways, I’m too busy inventing things the sheep will try and copy.

 

[oldrifleman]

Exactly. People know both sides of the story, they simply don’t care about my side of the story. I don’t have any high profile or influential friends in the scene, the Utah crowd were my friends but they all turned their backs on me because that’s the type of people they are and when they did, PRS management and their friends followed suit. So naturally the status quo has been against me for a long time. Which is why and how the counterfeit chad situation was deemed acceptable by the community, dehumanize me and anything that happens after that is justified and okay because I’m bad and you’re fighting a righteous fight. Even stealing my design, bullying me on and offline constantly and trying to push me out of the sport and ruin my life. Your attitude proves my point exactly. People that don’t know me or anything about me, going out of their way to say and do things to hurt me, when they’ve got no idea what they’re talking about. Which is fine, you do you, I’d rather be respected by the real ones and hated by the sheep than the other way round. I’ve never been much for acquaintances anyways, I’m too busy inventing things the sheep will try and copy.

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