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"Alternative" tumbling media?

Conqueror

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I have used Walnut for ages and I am tired of the dust. It's bad even with the various dust control measures I've tried. I want to find a tumbling medium that doesn't produce such huge volumes of dust. It's especially awful when it sticks to lube residue, and cases come out even dirtier than they went in.

I have read about rice before - tried it today, worked pretty good but about 70% of the cases came out with a grain of rice stuck in the flash hole. Talk about a chore!

I have thought about play sand, but I figure it would probably make a decent amount of dust, and might be too aggressive anyway.

Anyone have some clever tumbling medium you're using that doesn't make so much dust?
 
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don't bother with play sand it cleans but leaves a very dull finish, seems to be too aggressive, I personally don't mind corn cob. there is some dust but not unmanageable.

if you have a tumbler the ss media seems to be the cat ass. but there are way more steps to the process.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have used Walnut for ages and I am tired of the dust. It's bad even with the various dust control measures I've tried. I want to find a tumbling medium that doesn't produce such huge volumes of dust. It's especially awful when it sticks to lube residue, and cases come out even dirtier than they went in.

I have read about rice before - tried it today, worked pretty good but about 70% of the cases came out with a grain of rice stuck in the flash hole. Talk about a chore!

I have thought about play sand, but I figure it would probably make a decent amount of dust, and might be too aggressive anyway.

Anyone have some clever tumbling medium you're using that doesn't make so much dust? </div></div>

If you have not tried the SS method, you have not seen clean.

Just sayin.
 
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I too am looking to start the SS method. But for your dust problem, I've been told to put in a bounce sheet to bring down the dust.

You may have to do it more than once...I dunno.
 
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i love the SS media, i separated my 10 lbs. into 2lb. lots, i found that using more than the 2lbs. is overkill, i clean only 5.56mm & .499LWR brass, i fill the Thumblers Tumbler half full of de-primed brass, sprinkle a little bit of Bon-Ami, a tiny bit of Dawn, careful with it as too much causes a very thick foam, dump in the 2lbs. of SS, add water till it is about 2 inches over the brass, 2 hours later i open the tumbler pour out as much of the dirty water as possible without dumping too much brass and SS pins, i use one of those cooking/splatter screens to catch the brass & SS pins, rinse well, pour it all on a SS tray that fits the oven rack grooves, turn on the heat to 300 deg. for 10 min. reduce to 200 for 30 min. let cool to ambient temp., inspect 5.56mm case mouths for stuck pins, remove same and store brass in half gallon square plastic containers till needed.

i can not post photos because my Safari "Flash Player" plug in constantly crashes, everything i have tried to fix it fails, i am calling Apple today for help in fixing it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> turn on the heat to 300 deg. for 10 min. reduce to 200 for 30 min. let cool to ambient temp., inspect 5.56mm case mouths for stuck pins, remove same and store brass in half gallon square plastic containers till needed.

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Call me silly, the last time I checked water boils (becomes steam) at 212 F unless you are under pressure. Going to 220 to 230 would seem to boil off any residual water.
 
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Water evaporates quickly at temps way under 212, too. I think 300 is too hot, would not want to run even a small risk of annealing my case heads.

I will look into the SS media. I have tried the Bounce sheet trick before with Walnut, it doesn't help a whole lot.
 
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Once you go to SS media, you'll wonder why you ever used walnut, corn, sand, or anything else in the first place. There's a bit of cost up front, but it pays for itself quickly in terms of wife complaints about dust and mess, and in cost of media in the long run!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Water evaporates quickly at temps way under 212, too. I think 300 is too hot, would not want to run even a small risk of annealing my case heads.

I will look into the SS media. I have tried the Bounce sheet trick before with Walnut, it doesn't help a whole lot. </div></div>

Understood it is driven off by vapor pressure.

just at 212 it is leaving in a BIG hurry. Was trying to say there is no need to run up to 300
 
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well folks, believe it or not, but after the treatment i give them i have found some cases with water still in them, especially the ones full of SS pins, 300 deg. is no where annealing temps.

<span style="color: #3333FF"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The critical time and temperature at which the grain structure reforms into something suitable for case necks is 662 degrees (F) for some 15 minutes. A higher temperature, say from 750 to 800 degrees, will do the same job in a few seconds. If brass is allowed to reach temperatures higher than this (regardless of the time), it will be made irretrievably and irrevocably too soft. Brass will begin to glow a faint orange at about 950 degrees (F). Even if the heating is stopped at a couple of hundred degrees below this temperature, the damage has been done -- it will be too soft. From this discussion we can see that there are four considerations concerning time and temperature:

1> Due to conduction, the amount of heat necessary to sufficiently anneal the case neck is great enough to ruin the rest of the case.
2> If the case necks are exposed to heat for a sufficient period of time, a lower temperature can be used.
3> The longer the case necks are exposed to heat, the greater the possibility that too much heat will be conducted into the body and head, thereby ruining the cases.
4> The higher the temperature, the less time the case necks will be exposed to heat, and there will be insufficient time for heat to be conducted into the body and head.</div></div></span>
ANNEALING CARTRIDGE BRASS


JUST WANTED TO ADD THIS:

<span style="color: #3333FF"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A great deal has been written about cartridge case annealing in the popular gun press. A great deal of what has been written about annealing is misleading, with one exception: articles and books by Dean A. Grennell. In his "The ABC's of Reloading" (page 190), Mr. Grennell correctly describes the procedure. Although it is a very short description, it is correct. There is one slight error of fact, but it is on the side of safety and Mr. Grennell cannot be faulted for this in any way. In fact, if you do not have this book I recommend it -- even for "experienced" handloaders. There is much valuable information in it, much of it overlooked in other publications. The photo's are profuse and excellent, the explanation clear and concise, and the writing is witty and wry.

After wading through this weighty tome, you will know more about annealing and cartridge brass than you probably bargained for.

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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 20pt">WHAT ?</span></span></span> no replies to the facts about annealing ?? good golly Miss Molly, what is wrong with you folks ?? i really did expect some feed back !!
 
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Just thinking out side the box anyone ever try BB's? I use corn cob and it works for me but seems like BB's would last forever and you could wash them when they got dirty?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 20pt">WHAT ?</span></span></span> no replies to the facts about annealing ?? good golly Miss Molly, what is wrong with you folks ?? i really did expect some feed back !! </div></div>

If a response to annealing specifically is what you want perhaps your questions would be better suited for a thread other than one titled 'Alternative tumbling media'
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Piston Pete</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 20pt">WHAT ?</span></span></span> no replies to the facts about annealing ?? good golly Miss Molly, what is wrong with you folks ?? i really did expect some feed back !! </div></div>

If a response to annealing specifically is what you want perhaps your questions would be better suited for a thread other than one titled 'Alternative tumbling media' </div></div>

but sir, it was NOT i who brought up the subject of annealing, i believe it was Conqueror, who said something about annealing case heads, and clear the air that 300 deg.F. is not a problem, i just wanted to set the record straight about my process of removing the water from the cleaned cases.

is that OK with you ?
 
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Notice that the temperature that will result in annealing varies by exposure time. 750 for a few seconds, 650ish for 15min... you're leaving them in the oven for over half an hour. I think I remember reading somewhere that brass can anneal at temps in the 400s if exposed for sufficient time... and I'm not sure that my oven set to "300 degrees" is actually at a uniform 300F and has no hot spots near the coils.

I dry mine in a ~170deg oven for like 20 mins and they usually come out dry... see no reason for a longer period at a higher temp.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Notice that the temperature that will result in annealing varies by exposure time. 750 for a few seconds, 650ish for 15min... you're leaving them in the oven for over half an hour. I think I remember reading somewhere that brass can anneal at temps in the 400s if exposed for sufficient time... and I'm not sure that my oven set to "300 degrees" is actually at a uniform 300F and has no hot spots near the coils.

I dry mine in a ~170deg oven for like 20 mins and they usually come out dry... see no reason for a longer period at a higher temp. </div></div>

to each his own my friend, we all have our personal choices and idiosyncrasies, but let us all agree to keep on shooting, whether it be paper or furry pesky critters.