Amazon US customers have one week to opt out of mass wireless sharing

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The proposal, called Amazon Sidewalk, involves the company’s devices being used as a springboard to build city-wide “mesh networks” that help simplify the process of setting up new devices, keep them online even if they’re out of range of home wifi, and extend the range of tracking devices such as those made by Tile.


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Amazon US customers have one week to opt out of mass wireless sharing

Critics raise transparency fears over plan to turn all smart home devices into ‘mesh network’
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Mesh networking - Wikipedia

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#3
W54/XM-388 said:
If you have Alexa or Ring or that stuff, you already have invited full on spying into your home so...
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It looks like they steal bandwidth from some customers in order to provide service to others.

Most big cities have their intersection cameras, signals, road sensors, and other similar instruments on Mesh. I wonder if (when), google plans to integrate their home Mesh Nets with the city's Net?
 
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ZiaHunter said:
It is beyond me why people voluntarily install eavesdropping devices into their homes. I have deactivated all of the voice command options on all devices and no doubt they are still listening in. Will not install any smart devices or appliances in my home period. Need a residence sized Faraday Cage.
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Every now and then I call out to Siri and ask her to do something...just to see if I can catch her slipping. 😂😂😂😂
(I have all of that shit turned off...but we all know it is still on)
 
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John's Friend said:
It looks like they steal bandwidth from some customers in order to provide service to others.

Most big cities have their intersection cameras, signals, road sensors, and other similar instruments on Mesh. I wonder if (when), google plans to integrate their home Mesh Nets with the city's Net?
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Maybe he just wants to add some computing capacity to mine bitcoin and pad his bank account......that divorce was costly.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
If you have Alexa or Ring or that stuff, you already have invited full on spying into your home so...
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Not sure how you’d pay money for your house to be bugged, and also be concerned about your privacy?

I’d imagine the demographic that’s into this stuff probably likes the idea of it communicating with more devices and parties
 
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ZiaHunter said:
It is beyond me why people voluntarily install eavesdropping devices into their homes. I have deactivated all of the voice command options on all devices and no doubt they are still listening in. Will not install any smart devices or appliances in my home period. Need a residence sized Faraday Cage.
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With 5G being rolled out, IoT will be in play big time. I'm planning to short the antennas to ground on any IoT appliances. It's SMD board work and not something most can do but, I think people who do that work will start cottage industries disabling IoT in devices. I don't want my refrigerator ratting me out to the local grocery or dairy farm.

Another thing to watch for is Active RFID. Passive RFID, the most common, has an extended range, in some devices, of 100 yards. Most people think it's a few feet. Active (battery powered) is good for longer distances depending on the terrain.

The RFID devices report to sensors in the IoT appliance. The RFID tag on the milk carton tells the fridge it's exportation date and, IoT tells the grocer. The grocer reminds you (text) to buy fresh milk when in the store as your carton is about to expire.. etc, extrapolate.

These people achieved 100 yards with Passive a couple of years back.

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ZiaHunter said:
It is beyond me why people voluntarily install eavesdropping devices into their homes. I have deactivated all of the voice command options on all devices and no doubt they are still listening in. Will not install any smart devices or appliances in my home period. Need a residence sized Faraday Cage.
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Why not just buy a radio jammer?
 
#12
M8541Reaper said:
You pretty much can’t buy a modern home appliance or new TV without that shit. Soon it will be tied into everything and you won’t be able to bypass it, just like how you can’t delete certain apps off of your phone.
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It doesn't work if you don't give it connectivity

It's so fucking obvious that I wonder why I even have to say it
 
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308pirate said:
It doesn't work if you don't give it connectivity

It's so fucking obvious that I wonder why I even have to say it
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That is untrue. Now.

Now your spying device will say “hey, can I connect to your wifi?”

-No

“okay, silently joining mesh to buttfuck your privacy anyway. and putting you on a list of people that said no”

CONNECTION TYPE: LORA

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-CAMERA:OK
-AUDIO:OK
-CELL PHONE SCANNER:OK

ADD +3 POINTS TO VARIABLE #CONCENTRATION_CAMP FOR SURVEILLANCE RESISTANCE ACTIVITIES

DELIVER LGBT+ AND CRITICAL RACE INDOCTRINATION WHEN LOW HEIGHT HUMANS NEAR

I tested the technology amazon is using. If it can see a nearby device you are fucked. And by nearby I mean the furthest distance we managed a connection from was 100km.
 
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308pirate said:
It doesn't work if you don't give it connectivity

It's so fucking obvious that I wonder why I even have to say it
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A device w/o connectivity is a expensive paperweight. Therein lies the catch-22. Since everything is cloud based, the only way to get any "features" is to connect.

Your car is already online, like it or not. And it can be hacked. The future is gonna be fun..
 
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ZiaHunter said:
It is beyond me why people voluntarily install eavesdropping devices into their homes. I have deactivated all of the voice command options on all devices and no doubt they are still listening in. Will not install any smart devices or appliances in my home period. Need a residence sized Faraday Cage.
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So you don't have a smart phone???
 
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308pirate said:
It doesn't work if you don't give it connectivity

It's so fucking obvious that I wonder why I even have to say it
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There aren't a lot of folks around with wired routers today, most everything is WiFi. So, if you have WiFi or a WiFi only modem, you have a problem with IoT.

Turning some features in hardware "off" doesn't always turn them off. I have access to a Spectrum Analyzer so I can check. In my case, I'll disable the IoT. We just got a fancy new fridge. I haven't read the manual fully yet but, I don't think it's IoT equipped.

Most people want this crap. They're still waiting to buy their Flying Cars, the all electric model. They don't want coal, gas, Nuclear, etc. They think a solar panel will charge their car up, etc. Most people are pretty stupid.

The concept of Energy Density is beyond them. They never had a Chemistry or Physics class in high school. And, have no interest in knowing how things work. They're Pigeons for the media and corrupt politicians.
 
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The King said:
That is untrue. Now.

Now your spying device will say “hey, can I connect to your wifi?”

-No

“okay, silently joining mesh to buttfuck your privacy anyway. and putting you on a list of people that said no”

CONNECTION TYPE: LORA

BEGIN SURVEILLANCE ROUTINES
-CAMERA:OK
-AUDIO:OK
-CELL PHONE SCANNER:OK

ADD +3 POINTS TO VARIABLE #CONCENTRATION_CAMP FOR SURVEILLANCE RESISTANCE ACTIVITIES

DELIVER LGBT+ AND CRITICAL RACE INDOCTRINATION WHEN LOW HEIGHT HUMANS NEAR

I tested the technology amazon is using. If it can see a nearby device you are fucked. And by nearby I mean the furthest distance we managed a connection from was 100km.
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IoT will connect to 5G Mesh out on the street. I didn't want to go there.. I have trouble with the 5G crazies. My issue with 5G is all security based, not any RF exposure stuff.
 
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M8541Reaper said:
You pretty much can’t buy a modern home appliance or new TV without that shit. Soon it will be tied into everything and you won’t be able to bypass it, just like how you can’t delete certain apps off of your phone.
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I don't have echo, alex or ring, but my refrig, garage door opener, A/C system, washer, dryer...even my sprinkler system can connect to the internet.
 
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DocRDS said:
A device w/o connectivity is a expensive paperweight. Therein lies the catch-22. Since everything is cloud based, the only way to get any "features" is to connect.
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The only feature I need out of my fridge is to lower the temperature inside of it.

DocRDS said:
Your car is already online, like it or not. And it can be hacked. The future is gonna be fun..
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I know. Already working on the hardware angle to defeat that.
 
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ZiaHunter said:
It is beyond me why people voluntarily install eavesdropping devices into their homes. I have deactivated all of the voice command options on all devices and no doubt they are still listening in. Will not install any smart devices or appliances in my home period. Need a residence sized Faraday Cage.
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You know, I use a reflective house wrap on many of the custom homes I build. It's basically house wrap (some with insulation some not) with a very thin aluminum sheet on it that's 99% pure aluminum, but very thing.

I've noticed that when we do it on a whole house, including the roof, it absolutely Cuts off cell signal. I mean you can have full service standing outside, and take one step through the door, and Bam, you have nothing and can't use your cell unless you use an. External linked system. Just thought I'd point that out...
 
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308pirate said:
The only feature I need out of my fridge is to lower the temperature inside of it.



I know. Already working on the hardware angle to defeat that.
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I haven't fooled around with a newer car. I'm interested in what you're doing. I've kept up with most common car hacks. The systems are pretty dense / complicated. Some modules require signals to function. You'll (maybe) have to supply those signals in order to spoof the system.

The only onboard system I'm familiar with is OnStar. It was one of the first systems and caught my interest.



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An anonymous engineer at a major U.S. government technology agency wrote, “People will move to a more connected life because they will not be allowed any other choice. It takes a fairly deep education and strength of will to constantly check each new item or service for loopholes and pitfalls. It also will get easier for bad actors to hack even those with good security. Driverless cars will be hacked (btdt – been there, done that), tea kettles will leave your network vulnerable (btdt), governments will keep knowledge of zero-day exploits to themselves and let the citizens suffer (btdt), and we will mostly sleep through it all. If we could stop feeling everything needs to be connected all the time, we’d have a chance. It’s unlikely without a drastic change though.”

www.pewresearch.org

Theme 2: Unplugging isn’t easy now, and by 2026 it will be even tougher

Another significant group of these experts made the case that people will adopt products and services tied to the Internet of Things because it is their
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I posted this elsewhere, but in case you don’t know: if you purchased a TV in the past 5 years or so and just skipped by the terms and conditions, you already agreed to allow things like Alexa app and other monitoring services to keep track of you. They are and have been doing it already. This is just one other level.

The only way to disconnect is to be a complete Luddite. No smart phone, no smart TV, no smart appliances. Good luck with that and bless you if you do/can.
 
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John's Friend said:
I haven't fooled around with a newer car. I'm interested in what you're doing. I've kept up with most common car hacks. The systems are pretty dense / complicated. Some modules require signals to function. You'll (maybe) have to supply those signals in order to spoof the system.

The only onboard system I'm familiar with is OnStar. It was one of the first systems and caught my interest.

www.pewresearch.org

Theme 2: Unplugging isn’t easy now, and by 2026 it will be even tougher

Another significant group of these experts made the case that people will adopt products and services tied to the Internet of Things because it is their
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
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I installed a load ballast (I think that’s what it was called) on the cell modem the car has, worked fine for me.
 
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TurboTrout said:
I installed a load ballast (I think that’s what it was called) on the cell modem the car has, worked fine for me.
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The common term is Dummy Load. It's a resistor that's impedance matched to the transmitter's output. The energy is given off as heat.

What I'm wondering about is, what happens when the car is serviced? When the service guy plugs in to the car's CAN Bus, the system may show the fault. If in warranty, that could be a problem. Maybe, it voids the warranty?

A pal bought a high performance Chip for his wife's Camaro. When it was Smog time, he just changed out the chip. After testing, he put the high performance chip back in. Apparently, nothing was noticed / detected by the dealership's equipment.

You might be okay just restoring the connectivity during servicing?
 
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Ashley Sehatti sold her 2015 Jetta back to her local VW dealer back in December. Like most car owners, she figured that was the end of it. So she was baffled when she continued to get monthly reports about her car's health. After receiving April's report, she attempted to log into her account for Car-Net, Volkswagen's connected car service. Much to Sehatti's surprise, she found that not only was her account still active, she still had access to her old car. She could see its current mileage, the status of its locks and lights, and, most disturbingly, its current location on a map.

www.thedrive.com

Connected Cars Don't Necessarily Disconnect Previous Owners When Resold

It's up to you to wipe out your data and connections, not the dealer or manufacturer.
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Who the hell is Alexa? :LOL: Seriously, I can't think of anything I want less. Last time I updated my iPhone it turned Siri on so for shits and giggles I said "Hey Siri? Stop eavesdropping on me!" The response? "No." Went to turning shit off in a big way...
 
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John's Friend said:
The common term is Dummy Load. It's a resistor that's impedance matched to the transmitter's output. The energy is given off as heat.

What I'm wondering about is, what happens when the car is serviced? When the service guy plugs in to the car's CAN Bus, the system may show the fault. If in warranty, that could be a problem. Maybe, it voids the warranty?

A pal bought a high performance Chip for his wife's Camaro. When it was Smog time, he just changed out the chip. After testing, he put the high performance chip back in. Apparently, nothing was noticed / detected by the dealership's equipment.

You might be okay just restoring the connectivity during servicing?
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Never was a issue, someone asked once and I said it was due to security concerns.

Think there is a warranty law where it has to have resulted or been related to the issue in question, like aftermarket rotors can’t be used to not warranty a broken radio.
 
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BuildingConceptsllc said:
You know, I use a reflective house wrap on many of the custom homes I build. It's basically house wrap (some with insulation some not) with a very thin aluminum sheet on it that's 99% pure aluminum, but very thing.

I've noticed that when we do it on a whole house, including the roof, it absolutely Cuts off cell signal. I mean you can have full service standing outside, and take one step through the door, and Bam, you have nothing and can't use your cell unless you use an. External linked system. Just thought I'd point that out...
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Faraday cage.
 
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TurboTrout said:
Never was a issue, someone asked once and I said it was due to security concerns.

Think there is a warranty law where it has to have resulted or been related to the issue in question, like aftermarket rotors can’t be used to not warranty a broken radio.
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You may have found a good solution.

You can't keep the car's system from collecting data but, you prevented it from being used real time.

As for appliances, shorting the antenna to ground presents a high SWR to the emitter and shuts it down.

As this stuff rolls out, I'll bet that "old cars to toasters" increase in value. Some people may make unconnected models of popular, otherwise connected, items.
 
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John's Friend said:
There aren't a lot of folks around with wired routers today, most everything is WiFi. So, if you have WiFi or a WiFi only modem, you have a problem with IoT.

Turning some features in hardware "off" doesn't always turn them off. I have access to a Spectrum Analyzer so I can check. In my case, I'll disable the IoT. We just got a fancy new fridge. I haven't read the manual fully yet but, I don't think it's IoT equipped.

Most people want this crap. They're still waiting to buy their Flying Cars, the all electric model. They don't want coal, gas, Nuclear, etc. They think a solar panel will charge their car up, etc. Most people are pretty stupid.

The concept of Energy Density is beyond them. They never had a Chemistry or Physics class in high school. And, have no interest in knowing how things work. They're Pigeons for the media and corrupt politicians.
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The joke around our house is m wife saying 'she was absent that week' when I start to explain things. ;)
 
#35
308pirate said:
Plan is to keep it simple and attack connectivity at the choke point: its connection to the antenna.
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I liked TurboTrout's solution above. Could be tricky if there's no connector and hard wired or, if the connector isn't a common type. I would hope an SMA or similar.

If it's 900 MHz stuff, loads are both fairly cheap,and small.

Please update on your progress-solution.
 
#38
sometimes i touch myself just in case they are watching.
i also leave captain and tennille playing when we aren't at home, just to fuck with them.

actually, we don't use any of those things. we got some fancy model as a gift, and it is still in the box.
my phone already tracks me and sends me a report of where i have been.
 
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theLBC said:
sometimes i touch myself just in case they are watching.
i also leave captain and tennille playing when we aren't at home, just to fuck with them.

actually, we don't use any of those things. we got some fancy model as a gift, and it is still in the box.
my phone already tracks me and sends me a report of where i have been.
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The best was my reaction when I first learned of the new iPhone parking/drive home ETA back in 2014. I was leaving my office an just reached the parking garage when I got a pop up telling me about traffic alerts for my route home...
 
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John's Friend said:
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The proposal, called Amazon Sidewalk, involves the company’s devices being used as a springboard to build city-wide “mesh networks” that help simplify the process of setting up new devices, keep them online even if they’re out of range of home wifi, and extend the range of tracking devices such as those made by Tile.


www.theguardian.com

Amazon US customers have one week to opt out of mass wireless sharing

Critics raise transparency fears over plan to turn all smart home devices into ‘mesh network’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

en.wikipedia.org

Mesh networking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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I don't have any of that shit in my house and won't ever for obvious reasons. The only "smart" device I have is my phone. It's usually left on the countertop and stares at the ceiling most of the day.
 
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