Suppressors Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

[Phylodog]

I'm considering buying an AAC Mini4. I have a 10.5" LMT with a Battle Comp 2.0, it shoots like a dream but knocks small children over when I shoot it. I haven't fired it indoors yet but did some training this weekend which involved shooting under and around vehicles and the concussion is substantial to anyone in close proximity.

I'm not so much concerned with making the rifle hearing safe as I am taming the concussion and reducing muzzle flip. Knocking the Db down is obviously an added benefit but if I were to do this I'd be the only person on the team running a suppressor so I'd still have to wear hearing protection at training. I just took the can off of my sniper rifle to save wear since no one else had one and I was still wearing hearing pro at training.

If anyone is running a Mini4 I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

They have not been out long enough for anyone but a dealer to have one. I filed the paperwork on mine a couple weeks ago and my dealer got the first group of them released.

I will report when I get it approved.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

If you just want the bark taken out, save the money and buy a Ranger II, they are dirt cheap right now.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

For your application, it sounds like a mini may be the way to go. But if all you want to do is take the extra concusion out of your carbine that is a result of having a sort barrel, then you may also look at a Noveske KX3, or even just going with a longer barrel since you will negate the shortness gained with your SBR by adding the length of a suppressor.

 

[Phylodog]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

I have a KX3 as well as a KFH and while they work as advertised, shooting the SBR inside a room is still going to be very painful for everyone involved.

The Ranger II adds 4.2" to the rifle while the Mini4 adds 2.8" which isn't much more than the KFH/KX3.

I didn't realize the Mini4 was new to the market. I just happened across them last night. I'll stand by for the reviews to come in.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Agreed, pretty much any carbine fired inside an enclosure will be extremely loud. I researched most of the minis about a month ago, and I came to the conclusion that while they do have their place, none of them offer enough for me to pay the $200 stamp. I too am looking at just getting a Ranger 2.

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed, pretty much any carbine fired inside an enclosure will be extremely loud. I researched most of the minis about a month ago, and I came to the conclusion that while they do have their place, none of them offer enough for me to pay the $200 stamp. I too am looking at just getting a Ranger 2. </div></div>

You did the research and its not worth it? OK... so why would you buy the ranger? A Thread on can that barely does anything if not nothing more then the rest of the mini's on the market. You would be best served looking into the Delta P Brevis 223 Mini can. Its a thread on can that is tiny. It does a great job suppressing the SBR's.

I have an AAC mini and its doing great on my 14.5" AR15. I am awaiting this AAC to see how it stacks up.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed, pretty much any carbine fired inside an enclosure will be extremely loud. I researched most of the minis about a month ago, and I came to the conclusion that while they do have their place, none of them offer enough for me to pay the $200 stamp. I too am looking at just getting a Ranger 2. </div></div>

You did the research and its not worth it? OK... so why would you buy the ranger? A Thread on can that barely does anything if not nothing more then the rest of the mini's on the market. You would be best served looking into the Delta P Brevis 223 Mini can. Its a thread on can that is tiny. It does a great job suppressing the SBR's.

I have an AAC mini and its doing great on my 14.5" AR15. I am awaiting this AAC to see how it stacks up. </div></div>

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. As for me, comparing the data on AAC's web page, the mini has a reduction of only 22 dbs, the Ranger has a reduction of 28-30. The mini and Ranger weighs 2 oz less when you factor in the weight of the quickmount. Length will be about the same, and the Ranger costs $300 less plus I will not have to buy quickmounts for the original and additional weapons.

So no, to me it is not worth the the $200 stamp or extra costs of a mini to only gain a 22db reduction.

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed, pretty much any carbine fired inside an enclosure will be extremely loud. I researched most of the minis about a month ago, and I came to the conclusion that while they do have their place, none of them offer enough for me to pay the $200 stamp. I too am looking at just getting a Ranger 2. </div></div>

You did the research and its not worth it? OK... so why would you buy the ranger? A Thread on can that barely does anything if not nothing more then the rest of the mini's on the market. You would be best served looking into the Delta P Brevis 223 Mini can. Its a thread on can that is tiny. It does a great job suppressing the SBR's.

I have an AAC mini and its doing great on my 14.5" AR15. I am awaiting this AAC to see how it stacks up. </div></div>

I'm glad that you are happy with your purchase. As for me, comparing the data on AAC's web page, the mini has a reduction of only 22 dbs, the Ranger has a reduction of 28-30. The mini and Ranger weighs 2 oz less when you factor in the weight of the quickmount. Length will be about the same, and the Ranger costs $300 less plus I will not have to buy quickmounts for the original and additional weapons.

So no, to me it is not worth the the $200 stamp or extra costs of a mini to only gain a 22db reduction.

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Is it worth reaching up and checking your suppressor fitment onto a battle rifle setup? Hope you invest in heavy gloves. I would not run a thread on can on a semi auto rifle. I have seen way to many issues. Maybe its just me, but I think QD is the only way to roll when you rifle is going to see a lot of rounds, heat and heavy rates of fire.

For the ease of attachment, multiple hosts capabilities, size and function I think the mini cans are going to corner a part of the AR15 market in suppressor technology. They take the bark out, while eliminating flash. They serve a purpose, and they are doing it well.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Like I said, I am very happy that you are pleased with your purchase. Mini suppressors do have their place. As for me, I can't justify spending $200 on a tax stamp for a suppressor that only offers me a 22 db reduction.

As for the direct connect suppressors working their way off, We had a thread covering that. No one could give me an example of someone's suppressor coming off under a high rate of fire. Most agreed that the opposite would be true, that anti-seize would be needed to prevent the suppressor from becoming too difficult to remove. As long as the barrel and suppressor have matching quality threads their shouldn't be an issue. Also, to back it up, that is what witness marks are for.

 

[Houston Armory]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Fast attache cans are not fool proof when it comes to not coming off under fire. We just recently sent back our AAC 249SD to have it fixed. There was a batch of latches that didn't get heat treated correctly and could come loose off the mount under heavy used. We were shooting it at the AAC Silencer Shoot when you can visibly see the suppressor coming loose under fire. There have been other fast attached suppressors I have seen come loose too under heavy full auto fire. We have run several thread on types of thread on suppressors at the shop in full auto without issues so far. TBAC 30P-1 in 300 Blackout with a M16 lower and several Ops Inc suppressors in heavy full auto fire without a single problem.

I have even had a customer report back to me that he only threaded his 16th model on 2 turns and fired it with no problems. The Ops Inc system pretty much aligns itself to the mount before you start to screw it on. On the muzzle brake systems (12th, M4S, 14th, 15th, 16th and M4M) I can not cross thread the suppressor if even wanted to.

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

I have shot the rifle in which an AR10 was tested with 3 cans. AAC 762SD 18T mount, 51T model, and the SAS Arbiter. I watched the 18T and Arbiter back off after a few shots. The 51T model was the only one that stated in place because of its attachment system.

I just dont think semi auto platforms should use thread on cans. Going back and forth between a muzzle brake and the can will eventually lead you to some boogered threads. Its inevitable...

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said, I am very happy that you are pleased with your purchase. Mini suppressors do have their place. As for me, I can't justify spending $200 on a tax stamp for <span style="color: #FF0000">a suppressor that only offers me a 22 db reduction. </span>

As for the direct connect suppressors working their way off, We had a thread covering that. No one could give me an example of someone's suppressor coming off under a high rate of fire. Most agreed that the opposite would be true, that anti-seize would be needed to prevent the suppressor from becoming too difficult to remove. As long as the barrel and suppressor have matching quality threads their shouldn't be an issue. Also, to back it up, that is what witness marks are for.


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Still hearing safe. Meets my standards. I am happy, thank you.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said, I am very happy that you are pleased with your purchase. Mini suppressors do have their place. As for me, I can't justify spending $200 on a tax stamp for <span style="color: #FF0000">a suppressor that only offers me a 22 db reduction. </span>

As for the direct connect suppressors working their way off, We had a thread covering that. No one could give me an example of someone's suppressor coming off under a high rate of fire. Most agreed that the opposite would be true, that anti-seize would be needed to prevent the suppressor from becoming too difficult to remove. As long as the barrel and suppressor have matching quality threads their shouldn't be an issue. Also, to back it up, that is what witness marks are for.


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Still hearing safe. Meets my standards. I am happy, thank you. </div></div>

Actually, its not... But its your hearing.

 

[IndySSD]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said, I am very happy that you are pleased with your purchase. Mini suppressors do have their place. As for me, I can't justify spending $200 on a tax stamp for <span style="color: #FF0000">a suppressor that only offers me a 22 db reduction. </span>

As for the direct connect suppressors working their way off, We had a thread covering that. No one could give me an example of someone's suppressor coming off under a high rate of fire. Most agreed that the opposite would be true, that anti-seize would be needed to prevent the suppressor from becoming too difficult to remove. As long as the barrel and suppressor have matching quality threads their shouldn't be an issue. Also, to back it up, that is what witness marks are for.


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Actually, its not... But its your hearing.
Still hearing safe. Meets my standards. I am happy, thank you. </div></div> </div></div>

What? Oh, yeah I see what you're saying, your comment is inside his quote....

And I guess if you were shooting .22lr maybe a 22DB reduction would be hearing safe but everything in the .223/5.56 range seems to start out much higher than what I'd feel comfortable listening to after 22DB of suppression.


Anyway, thought I'd draw attention back to Phylo's point of :

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm not so much concerned with making the rifle hearing safe as I am taming the concussion and reducing muzzle flip. Knocking the Db down is obviously an added benefit but if I were to do this I'd be the only person on the team running a suppressor so I'd still have to wear hearing protection at training. </div></div>

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said, I am very happy that you are pleased with your purchase. Mini suppressors do have their place. As for me, I can't justify spending $200 on a tax stamp for <span style="color: #FF0000">a suppressor that only offers me a 22 db reduction. </span>

As for the direct connect suppressors working their way off, We had a thread covering that. No one could give me an example of someone's suppressor coming off under a high rate of fire. Most agreed that the opposite would be true, that anti-seize would be needed to prevent the suppressor from becoming too difficult to remove. As long as the barrel and suppressor have matching quality threads their shouldn't be an issue. Also, to back it up, that is what witness marks are for.


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Still hearing safe. Meets my standards. I am happy, thank you. </div></div>

Actually, its not... But its your hearing. </div></div>

It works for me. Every shooter perceives sound suppression at different levels.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Oops, thanks for pointing that one out Indy. I cleaned it up, that sometimes happens when I post from my phone.

Also, thanks for keeping us on track. That's why my first post to the OP said that a mini may actually work for his application. The minis do have a place; mostly for the military and law enforcement to conceal their location, reduce muzzle flash, dust signature, friendly recognition, and somewhat protect hearing. A mini suppressor could keep a shooter from having to where double ear pro (foam ear plugs with ear muffs) when shooting inside of an enclosure.

I still where ear pro when shooting any supersonic round suppressed to prevent hearing damage.

I would not want anyone on here to think that using a mini suppressor on a 10.5 inc 5.56 will protect them from any hearing damage.

 

[Phylodog]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Length will be about the same</div></div>

AAC's website says the Ranger II adds 4.2" to the rifle and the Mini4 adds 2.8". Is there something I'm missing?

I'm not being a smart ass, the website is all I have to go by.

 

[KYS]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Have you considered looking at the 762SD-N6 ?
It is a very cool suppressor. All inconel and gives you the capability of using it on 308 and smaller.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Length will be about the same</div></div>

AAC's website says the Ranger II adds 4.2" to the rifle and the Mini4 adds 2.8". Is there something I'm missing?

I'm not being a smart ass, the website is all I have to go by. </div></div>

Yes, AAC is saying the length added with the mini is added to the length of the flash suppressor. The Ranger does not have a flash suppressor mount so the length added from the muzzle of the weapon would be about the same with either can

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Length will be about the same</div></div>

AAC's website says the Ranger II adds 4.2" to the rifle and the Mini4 adds 2.8". Is there something I'm missing?

I'm not being a smart ass, the website is all I have to go by. </div></div>

Its only really an inch and a half difference. When comparing barrel length going from a 16 inch barrel to a 14.5 some dont notice that inch and a half.

 

[IndySSD]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Length will be about the same</div></div>

AAC's website says the Ranger II adds 4.2" to the rifle and the Mini4 adds 2.8". Is there something I'm missing?

I'm not being a smart ass, the website is all I have to go by. </div></div>

Its only really an inch and a half difference. When comparing barrel length going from a 16 inch barrel to a 14.5 some dont notice that inch and a half.
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Heh, yeah I'd pretty much agree, the only people that notice when you're missing or adding an inch and a half is the BATFE and your woman.

Oh and @ Jakhammer, Phylo I believe is speaking about a team made up of LEO when he talks about other members of his "Team @ training" so I'd say he falls into the niche you described.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Phylo, have looked the Ops-Inc M4s? this one would also seem to fit what you are looking for, and it is about $600 less than the AAC mini.

Check it out:

http://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdetails_.cfm?inventorynumber=3823

 

[Phylodog]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phylo, have looked the Ops-Inc M4s? this one would also seem to fit what you are looking for, and it is about $600 less than the AAC mini.

Check it out:

http://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdetails_.cfm?inventorynumber=3823 </div></div>

Had not seen that, thanks for the link. That looks like a pretty good option as well and for a hell of a lot less money.

 

[223ai]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phylo, have looked the Ops-Inc M4s? this one would also seem to fit what you are looking for, and it is about $600 less than the AAC mini.

Check it out:

http://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdetails_.cfm?inventorynumber=3823 </div></div>

Had not seen that, thanks for the link. That looks like a pretty good option as well and for a hell of a lot less money.</div></div>

I don't claim to be a genius, but this can looks to be thread on?

 

[Phylodog]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

It threads on the flash suppressor and mates up with a collar positioned on the barrel. QD is not a priority for me, OAL/weight and blast reduction are what I'm interested in.

 

[223ai]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

Understood. I'm just curious to know if the can will back off of the threads when shooting rapid fire. That's a damn good price on the can, and am seriously thinking of picking it up.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?


Talk to Houston Armory... They seem to be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to Ops- Inc <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Houston Armory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...

I have even had a customer report back to me that he only threaded his 16th model on 2 turns and fired it with no problems. The Ops Inc system pretty much aligns itself to the mount before you start to screw it on. On the muzzle brake systems (12th, M4S, 14th, 15th, 16th and M4M) I can not cross thread the suppressor if even wanted to.</div></div>

 

[m1garand30064]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JPipes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Understood. I'm just curious to know if the can will back off of the threads when shooting rapid fire. That's a damn good price on the can, and am seriously thinking of picking it up. </div></div>

The ops mounting system is one of the big selling features of the silencer IMO. I have felt it and it is absolutely rock solid on the gun, and I have never heard anyone complaining about it backing off the gun even under full auto fire.

I was seriously considering an M4-2000 for my SBR project until my dealer showed me the Ops products. I'll be getting a 16th model and maybe an M4s down the road as it shares the mounting system.

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

The mini14 is an absolute dog on anything under 14.5", and at that length you will get no more than 26db reduction. AAC is clear on this one, this can was designed for 16" and greater.

Look, a 10.5" barrel is very hard to suppress if you want the results to be anything other than poor to midland. It isn;t going to happen at all with anything other than a close tolerance can with some capacity to boot. Pick your flavor but forget the minis. As to direct attach coming undone, it is exactly as others have said...the problem isn't them coming undone with good shoulders and even fair threads, it is exactly the opposite. I didn't jump in on this thread because eventually one begins to sound like minis are really a poor idea, essentially providing very low level suppression to those that may need it the most. For those that go FA or even reasonable semi, they just plain s-u-c-k. For the extra 1.5"-2.0" required in length, pick your brand and go for full length cans on short barrels. If you don't mind wearing plugs or muffs and spending $200 for a can that is 1-2" shorter and "cool for what it does" (heavy cool - light "what it does") buy a mini.

Hearing safe is 85dbs.....85 dbs (8 hours)...After that its all time/exposure. At 100db one gets a lot less time, and with sound pressure doubling with every 3 db rise, you get the idea. If your going to shoot and save your ears and are willing to pay the bucks to suppress and attempt to keep the better part of your hearing, for God's sake buy something that gets it done!


80 dB within 24 hrs. is SAFE.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">
From here on down its allowable within 24 hours...</span></span>

82 dB 16 hrs.
85 dB 8 hrs.
88 dB 4 hrs.
91 dB 2 hrs.
94 dB 1 hr.
97 dB 30 mins.
100 dB 15 mins.
103 dB 8 mins.
106 dB 4 mins.
109 dB 2 mins.
112 dB 1 min.
115 dB 30 secs.
118 dB 15 secs.
121 dB 8 secs.
124 dB 4 secs.
127 dB 2 secs.
<span style="font-weight: bold">130 dB 1 sec.</span>

18" 155 grain .223 in at 155.
Minus the Mini14s 26ish dB. equals 129ish, we will call it a reliable 130...you get 1 second a day on 18" barrel for "safe hearing," 'nuff said.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

In regards to FA being the end all and be all, not so much. I have single point cans, FA, and Ops Inc's which is a bit of a hybrid, and have seen no difference, nor had issues which the single points backing off. My personal preference on my M4 and 10.5 are my Ops Inc. As a side note, did a bit of shooting last weekend with a buddy outside NOLA, about 2K rounds each, through the course of the day. My buddy had to shoot off his Surefire can, I just took one of my TAB covers and twisted it off. No problem.

Ops had a bit of drama with the M4S, initially they were $225 with a brake and collar, which was a screaming deal for the can. I mean $475 for a mini and stamp, screaming deal. The new owner of Ops felt they weren't making enough coin, so they upped the price tag to $525. The owner finally conceded to requests and backed down the price to $275 w/o a brake and collar. Still a good deal, especially if alrady have their brake collar on your rifle. Currently they supplied to Canadian forces on contract, and small batches are exclusive to Steve @ ADCO. As a side note, they have also brought out a M4M which is smaller than a 14th, but longer than a M4S.

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: Anyone have an AAC Mini4?

The M4S was never 225 with brake and collar that I have ever seen. I bought mine a long time ago from Steve at Adco and it did not come with it.