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Area 419 Zero Press vs SCA Nexus Press

For all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth and the butt hurt in these press threads, do people even buy or use measurement tools for measuring the results in concentricity in loaded ammo in ammo one press produces compared to the next. I’ve never known many prs style shooters to measure concentricity and these presses aren’t popular with the f class and Bench rest crowds

Do they analyze where the runout is being introduced whether it is after resizing or seating

Do f class shooters think concentricity is a top factor in consistent ammo

I measure concentricity when setting up but not every round. Both brass neck and bullet runout. Only know what my presses have done and it’s all I need.
 
Actually, the ZERO does have a slight bit of cam-over. 👍🏼

LOL. Wrong again. It has some flex in the bottom if you allow it. They call it a "spring stop."

And 419 literally says their press does not have a cam over. Cam over is completely different than the Zero.
 
For all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth and the butt hurt in these press threads, do people even buy or use measurement tools for measuring the results in concentricity in loaded ammo in ammo one press produces compared to the next. I’ve never known many prs style shooters to measure concentricity and these presses aren’t popular with the f class and Bench rest crowds

Do they analyze where the runout is being introduced whether it is after resizing or seating

Do f class shooters think concentricity is a top factor in consistent ammo

Most any testing done has shown concentricity matters almost zero.
 
I gave away my old T7 to one of my best employees and replaced it with the Zero. I’m enjoying the press, but it really is a quick change single stage due to having to lock it down.
 
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Got all that money wrapped up in a “shop” and reloading and still mid pack? But we are the idiots for buying a 1200 dollar press lmao cope and seethe my guy.

Inb4 blah blah show up to a 2 day match and 1v1 me, you don’t even shoot prs 😂

Instead of being so insufferable and going on useless rants on the internet, go touch grass and shoot a little more.
You’re arguing with Mr500

He’s borderline tarded and a joke on this site
 
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No its not. It has zero translation into better ammo (concentric, less run out, more consistent sizing & seating,ect)

Explain how its more enjoyable to pull the handle of a Zero vs any of the turret presses.

There is nothing premium about them. In fact, it can be argued there are some drawbacks such as the shitty over priced rings they push.

If you think a Co-ax or a T7 is cheap shit, then go tell that to the independently wealthy shooters who are world champions. You somehow think the zero or nexus is a better press because its costs more money. In fact, its marketed to dumb shits and people without the IQ to know the value in what they are buying. They see dollar signs and assume quality. You know who thinks like that? Poor people.

So im going to keep on sitting in my $150K shop/office behind the house with 300sqfoot climate controlled reloading equipment, dank expoxy floors and over 30 feet of reloading benches and the best equipment money can buy. If a 419 press offered anything better, i would probably have a few of them. It would probably be sandwiched between 2 ST , the AMP and more Bergers than your car is worth.

Just say you like spending more money to inflate your ego because your self worth is somehow tied to this equipment. THAT we could understand.
 

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Oh they call it "spring stop"... My bad. 🙄

No, they don't just "call it" that. Cam over is a very specific thing. The Zero press does not have that feature. It just has a bit of flex if you don't set it up to hard stop.
 
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No, they don't just "call it" that. Cam over is a very specific thing. The Zero press does not have that feature. It just has a bit of flex if you don't set it up to hard stop.
I set mine up to have the tiniest amount of spring flex, just before the stops, but enough flex to hit the stops without much effort so as not to damage anything or prematurely wear the arms/ram. Then I know it’s consistent when it hits the stops every time.
 
I set mine up to have the tiniest amount of spring flex, just before the stops, but enough flex to hit the stops without much effort so as not to damage anything or prematurely wear the arms/ram. Then I know it’s consistent when it hits the stops every time.

I honestly haven't made up my mind on movement past hard stop. Whether it's actual cam over or if it's just flex and such after.

I understand the logic behind it, just not completely sure if it matters. I'm sure like most things, it just depends.
 
I like my zero press a lot. I had issues with the Forster Co-Ax giving inconsistent shoulder bumps that was eliminated when I switched to the Zero.

I can’t give an honest assessment between the Zero and Nexus just because I haven’t experienced the Nexus. Though the Nexus seems to have similar conveniences as the co-ax while being better built and improved features.

I also seat a lot of my rounds now with the SAC Infinity APS.
 
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What kept me from getting a zero is having to lock it back in every time you change dies by turning the turret. I don't have to do that with my Lyman and it's taken a little bit of work (not much) but it has zero movement and I dot have to lock it in, I just turn the turret and it's good to go.
 
I ordered a coax for the helluva but it's getting returned. The build quality is nowhere near the Zero.

Not saying I make better ammo with the Zero by any stretch but there's just something about having a quality machine.
 
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My current set up. Couldn’t be happier!
Eventually I will automate the Dillon 750 to just make loading my competition guns less time consuming. Right now I just use it for 9mm, 223 varmint loading and depriming all my competition brass.
 

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Has anyone heard if SAC is planning on an adapter that allows the Nexus to function as a press for in-line seating dies? Since SAC is coming out with their own in-line seater, it make sense, but I have not heard if they plan on that capability.
 
As a current Zero owner who has used a co-ax for the last 4 years, I'd 100 percent say go the co-ax. My loads are just as precise on my Zero as they were on the forster.
Really? My old gunsmith and I both had issues with headspace consistency with the Co-Ax.
Has anyone heard if SAC is planning on an adapter that allows the Nexus to function as a press for in-line seating dies? Since SAC is coming out with their own in-line seater, it make sense, but I have not heard if they plan on that capability.
SACs Inline seater is already out. 🙂
 
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Obviously the Nexus hasn’t been released yet but looking for any advice on a top of the line press. Anyone the has a Zero and considering switching to the Nexus? I will be reloading multiple calibers, mainly 25 creed, 6.5 prc and 300 win mag. I’m a buy once, cry once type of person which is why these are the two that I’m considering.
I would not switch from my zero to a nexus. They both essentially operate as a single stage. I couldn’t see any particular benefit of going with the nexus. Probably similar result if you went with the nexus, no reason to get a zero.

These “it does nothing better” replies were hashed out back when the zero was announced. DThomas said it best, it was to the effect of: “I like pulling the handle more on my zero than any other press and I do that a bunch of times…”

Having owned one for a while now, I’m in that camp. It’s efficient, it’s effective, I like using it, looks nice on my bench, my ammo is only bad when I screw up. My equipment is on point. I don’t care what the best bench rest guy does or the local PRS pro shooter…

The only upgrade I’d go with and will definitely do in the future is a 650 or 750. Good luck on your choice, all the major common presses are legit and will do just fine. But if you’re asking me the zero is good to go and I would not switch to the nexus.
 
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The thing that appeals to me about the nexus is how small it is, and how the primers dispense, though I think I'd like the zero as well. I may end up with both if I see a sweet deal on a zero press, who knows. Kind of ridiculous to care what kind of press another man uses though.
 
The thing that appeals to me about the nexus is how small it is, and how the primers dispense, though I think I'd like the zero as well. I may end up with both if I see a sweet deal on a zero press, who knows. Kind of ridiculous to care what kind of press another man uses though.

That's the funny part. These threads area always just people arguing over why their non preferred luxury item isn't worth the price......while they also own several luxury items that others wouldn't feel is worth the price.
 
You could look at what Benchrest shooters use . They are putting every bullet in the same hole. It’s not the Zero or the Nexus. I would say spend the extra cash on reloading components and barrels . I use a MEC marksman because it has a self aligning shell holder. For my “Benchrest” rounds. I do however seat using an arbor press. For anything high volume I use a Dillon 650. The winningest Benchrest shooter ever Tony Boyer used a Rock Chucker. Not trying to rain on your parade . Just know the extra money will not mean better ammo.

I know this is an old comment but I just have to ask... You say "look at what Benchrest shooters use.... it's not the Zero or the Nexus". Can you think of one BIG HUGE reason why they're not using the Nexus? I can. ;)
 
I know this is an old comment but I just have to ask... You say "look at what Benchrest shooters use.... it's not the Zero or the Nexus". Can you think of one BIG HUGE reason why they're not using the Nexus? I can. ;)
why
 
Seems like an intentional miss to not use 1.25" dies.
 
i'll be buying a nexus on top of my zero. I personally never got good runout numbers with my zero, I think the nexus will completely resolve that. My shoulder bump on the zero is insanely impressive though.
 
i'll be buying a nexus on top of my zero. I personally never got good runout numbers with my zero, I think the nexus will completely resolve that. My shoulder bump on the zero is insanely impressive though.
Pardon my ignorance, but just what run out are you referring to with the Zero?
 
I’m assuming it’s because they’re going to release 1 inch dies. So they are attempting to keep everybody in their own ecosystem.
Interesting. everbody was saying the press was preet reasonably priced. But maybe we haven't seen the 'proprietary' die prices, yet? Lets hope they are doing more with less vs 1.25 vs just overbuilding 7/8 dies.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but just what run out are you referring to with the Zero?
actual measured runout on my ammo/brass. I just was never able to get uber minimal runout. I think a more floating system like the nexus will be much more forgiving in this aspect.

Just my 2 cents.
 
The term “runout” IMO gets over used and I believe primarily relates to errors in rotational machining.

What I meant by my question is where you saw excessive deviance….shoulder bump, seating depth (CBTO), bullet cocked off of centerline, something else?

I’m not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to clearly understand where the Zero disappointed you.

Cheers
 
The term “runout” IMO gets over used and I believe primarily relates to errors in rotational machining.

What I meant by my question is where you saw excessive deviance….shoulder bump, seating depth (CBTO), bullet cocked off of centerline, something else?

I’m not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to clearly understand where the Zero disappointed you.

Cheers
again, my shoulder bump is absolutely spot on everytime. i just kinda assumed this press + good dies = perfect "rotational" runout on my brass, and that hasn't been my experience.

i still get good numbers, but not almost perfect like i kinda expected, maybe i need to neck turn my brass to get better numbers, idk. i will have to pick up a nexus and do a comparison to see.
 
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I understand *wanting* that kind of performance - especially given what we pay for some of these toys i.e. Zero, Nexus, etc. - but can you actually shoot the difference on target, to where it's anything more than a mental safety blanket?
 
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I understand *wanting* that kind of performance - especially given what we pay for some of these toys i.e. Zero, Nexus, etc. - but can you actually shoot the difference on target, to where it's anything more than a mental safety blanket?
i like my ammo to be perfect as possible, just helps eliminate another variable in mind, but you are right it probably cannot be proven on target, and it has been proven in many instances that is the case.
 
I was hesitant for a long time to spend “Zero” money on a press. I had a T7 and went through several different sets of dies trying to get consistent bump on fired brass. I finally spent the money and I honestly wish I had done it sooner. I know I could have done the same with a rock chucker but the Zero is next level nice imo. It’s smooth and a pleasure to use. 419’s M series dies are in a league of their own. I know they are extremely expensive but after using them and seeing the performance gain and timed saved I would pay double for one if I had to. I think you get what you pay for in this arena…. Some guys like nice shit. I haven’t had an issue with the lock rings but I noticed right away that you don’t need to tighten them the same way you do other style presses. Snug does the trick here. Imo there isn’t a better option on the market except for a Automated 750…
My 2 cents