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Area 419 Zero Press vs SCA Nexus Press

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Obviously the Nexus hasn’t been released yet but looking for any advice on a top of the line press. Anyone the has a Zero and considering switching to the Nexus? I will be reloading multiple calibers, mainly 25 creed, 6.5 prc and 300 win mag. I’m a buy once, cry once type of person which is why these are the two that I’m considering.
 
Obviously the Nexus hasn’t been released yet but looking for any advice on a top of the line press. Anyone the has a Zero and considering switching to the Nexus? I will be reloading multiple calibers, mainly 25 creed, 6.5 prc and 300 win mag. I’m a buy once, cry once type of person which is why these are the two that I’m considering.
IMHO, The competitors for the 419 are other turret presses, eg Dillon presses, and/or Redding presses (with or without the Creedmoor sports upgrades). The competitors for the SAC press, are other single-stage presses, typically stated as "do you want a Co-Ax or a Rockchucker"?

Start by asking yourself which workflow you want...that would be my $0.02
 
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Skip both, they bring nothing to the table you cant get with either a Co-ax or a Redding T7 Turret.

Yup. I am amazed people are so easy to drop so much money on a press like the Area419. I have used a few presses over the years and use a Hornady Iron Press now and it loads very accurate ammo for a 1/4 the price of the Area419 but it doesn't have the cool factor. All comes down to what you want but don't be throwing money away.
 
You could look at what Benchrest shooters use . They are putting every bullet in the same hole. It’s not the Zero or the Nexus. I would say spend the extra cash on reloading components and barrels . I use a MEC marksman because it has a self aligning shell holder. For my “Benchrest” rounds. I do however seat using an arbor press. For anything high volume I use a Dillon 650. The winningest Benchrest shooter ever Tony Boyer used a Rock Chucker. Not trying to rain on your parade . Just know the extra money will not mean better ammo.
 
The real question here is...


Do you want a press designed to have mechanical stops and cam over? (Nexus)

Or a press designed to touch shell holder to die without cam over? (Zero)
 
Sometimes it’s not about better ammo per se, but a better experience to make the ammo. Top tier presses, smoother user experience.

I would buy my Zero again with out a doubt. I reload 5-6 calibers on my Zero, and pairing the SAC seating die for 308 based cases, helps knock out extra seating dies in the turret. But if you’re going to shoot several more calibers in addition to what you shoot already, the nexus press would probably be better for quicker die changes.
 
Now that the fun haters have thrown their wet blankets…..yes, buy a premium press.
They are worth it. Especially if you like nice things.

If you are happy with sand in a Goldtoe sock for a rear bag, run b class glass, champion Lee dies or skin a flea for its hide & tallow..then yes, other presses will be fine.

The SAC looks to me like a coax 2.0, which is very cool.

My Zero is a joy in every way. I’d 100% buy one again. I wouldn’t switch to the SAC because I’m already set on the Zero.

But in your spot, I’d consider how many calibers you reload.
Zero heads are available but switching calibers on the SAC will be nearly effortless.
Please explain how they are worth it.

Amp? Worth it
ST/AT? worth it
Henderson? Worth it
Autodod? Worth it
Premium Brass? Worth it
Berger Bullets? Worth it
Swaro Glass? Worth it

SAC Press/ A419 Press? Waste of fucking money.

It literally does nothing but remove money from you. Its not easier to use. The dogshit lock rings cross thread and strip out easy. You are paying for no additional performance.

Unless someone already has the absolute best of everything and wants to just throw money in the trash, then its a stupid purchasing decision. You aren't making better ammo, its not faster/easier to use and it doesn't make you cool.
 
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Please explain how they are worth it.

Amp? Worth it
ST/AT? worth it
Henderson? Worth it
Autodod? Worth it
Premium Brass? Worth it
Berger Bullets? Worth it
Swaro Glass? Worth it

SAC Press/ A419 Press? Waste of fucking money.

It literally does nothing but remove money from you. Its not easier to use. The dogshit lock rings cross thread and strip out easy. You are paying for no additional performance.

Unless someone already has the absolute best of everything and wants to just throw money in the trash, then its a stupid purchasing decision. You aren't making better ammo, its not faster/easier to use and it doesn't make you cool.
Please elaborate on the dogshit lock rings?
 
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Please elaborate on the dogshit lock rings?
One of my buddies (hes on hide he can chime in if he wants):

1/18/24
    • I think I'm straight up giving up on these 419 die lock rings. Half of them are stripped.

  1. [3:20 PM]
    And stripped 2 wrenches. New wrench won't fit in 5 of them.




    Other buddy on hide who can chime in if he wants:
  2. So what I did for the stuck rings (when I didn't have a wrench) was a small rubber strap wrench
    [3:26 PM]
    worked easy but annoyed
  3. I have since moved onto FW Arms die rings

  1. Then like 3 other people saying A419 rings suck...






 
It’s worth it because it’s a better interface.
It’s better because I personally enjoy operating one more than cheaper presses.

Premium presses is what the OP ask about. You are shitting in his thread banging a drum that nobody cares about. Go run your cheap shit & be happy. Not what this thread is about.

There are solid presses that will make Ammo just as good as premium presses for less money. I didn’t say they wouldn’t.
No its not. It has zero translation into better ammo (concentric, less run out, more consistent sizing & seating,ect)

Explain how its more enjoyable to pull the handle of a Zero vs any of the turret presses.

There is nothing premium about them. In fact, it can be argued there are some drawbacks such as the shitty over priced rings they push.

If you think a Co-ax or a T7 is cheap shit, then go tell that to the independently wealthy shooters who are world champions. You somehow think the zero or nexus is a better press because its costs more money. In fact, its marketed to dumb shits and people without the IQ to know the value in what they are buying. They see dollar signs and assume quality. You know who thinks like that? Poor people.

So im going to keep on sitting in my $150K shop/office behind the house with 300sqfoot climate controlled reloading equipment, dank expoxy floors and over 30 feet of reloading benches and the best equipment money can buy. If a 419 press offered anything better, i would probably have a few of them. It would probably be sandwiched between 2 ST , the AMP and more Bergers than your car is worth.

Just say you like spending more money to inflate your ego because your self worth is somehow tied to this equipment. THAT we could understand.
 
No its not. It has zero translation into better ammo (concentric, less run out, more consistent sizing & seating,ect)

Explain how its more enjoyable to pull the handle of a Zero vs any of the turret presses.

There is nothing premium about them. In fact, it can be argued there are some drawbacks such as the shitty over priced rings they push.

If you think a Co-ax or a T7 is cheap shit, then go tell that to the independently wealthy shooters who are world champions. You somehow think the zero or nexus is a better press because its costs more money. In fact, its marketed to dumb shits and people without the IQ to know the value in what they are buying. They see dollar signs and assume quality. You know who thinks like that? Poor people.

So im going to keep on sitting in my $150K shop/office behind the house with 300sqfoot climate controlled reloading equipment, dank expoxy floors and over 30 feet of reloading benches and the best equipment money can buy. If a 419 press offered anything better, i would probably have a few of them. It would probably be sandwiched between 2 ST , the AMP and more Bergers than your car is worth.

Just say you like spending more money to inflate your ego because your self worth is somehow tied to this equipment. THAT we could understand.

Ford Focus and a Ford raptor both get you were you want to go. I know which one I would rather drive.
 
Ford Focus and a Ford raptor both get you were you want to go. I know which one I would rather drive.
This is another fucking retarded statement.

We are talking performance. A raptor will smoke a focus performance wise.

A A419 press will not smoke a t7 Turret press. It literally does NOTHING better.

Try again.
 
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if the most expensive press give you more emotional support, go ahead.
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I disagree with comparing the Zero to any other turret or progressive press. It only "looks" like a turret press. In reality, the turret is just a "tool holder" in the shape of a turret. I.E. you won't save any time loading on a Zero and a Co-Ax (or Nexus). Grabbing a die out of a drawer or stand and locking into a Co-Ax is going to be the same speed as loosening and moving the Zero turret. Sometimes even slower if you have to change the turret head for something.

One of the big selling points of the Zero (the turret) is also IMO its biggest con. The whole point is to not need to adjust dies. Which means the die must remain in the turret. That means that unless you only load for a couple cartridges, you'll need multiple turrets. That's another $200 every turret on top of the $1500 or so price. So, that is a "con" if you don't want to keep spending or have a bunch of turrets laying around.

I can only LOL @ anyone messing up the Zero lock rings. You just make sure the tool is actually seated down into the ring and you snug it down. If you're stripping the tool you either don't have it all the way into the ring or you're ape arming it trying to lock it down tighter than it needs to be. Using a strap wrench means you're definitely cranking on it harder than you need to.


We own or have owned every single piece of equipment mentioned in this thread so far and more. And already have a couple SAC presses ordered. Why? Because we can and we like trying new things. Won't be selling the Zero press though (or the mark 7 apex, or the xl750, or the Redding T7).

Comparing the Zero to the Nexus, what I see so far is the Nexus will be a smaller footprint and far less investment (lower initial cost + no turret costs). The hard stops not touching shell holder......makes sense. However, it's not going to be any revolutionary change.


You're not going to get much different results on paper using cheaper presses. You may however find the user experience more satisfying or you may not. No one can tell you what you will personally feel is worth money or not. Though some may decide to insult you on a forum over it.



Lastly, we all "waste" money by default participating in this industry. Almost zero of what we do is required and the ROI is terrible. So, it's ridiculous to argue over that point. In fact, the guy who's yelling above pays PRS a yearly membership to record his mid pack or lower scores. Even though he's yelling a people for "wasting" money on a press. He just chooses to waste his money a different way. And that's perfectly fine. It's his money. Just like it's your money going to a Zero and/or Nexus.
 
I disagree with comparing the Zero to any other turret or progressive press. It only "looks" like a turret press. In reality, the turret is just a "tool holder" in the shape of a turret. I.E. you won't save any time loading on a Zero and a Co-Ax (or Nexus). Grabbing a die out of a drawer or stand and locking into a Co-Ax is going to be the same speed as loosening and moving the Zero turret. Sometimes even slower if you have to change the turret head for something.

One of the big selling points of the Zero (the turret) is also IMO its biggest con. The whole point is to not need to adjust dies. Which means the die must remain in the turret. That means that unless you only load for a couple cartridges, you'll need multiple turrets. That's another $200 every turret on top of the $1500 or so price. So, that is a "con" if you don't want to keep spending or have a bunch of turrets laying around.

I can only LOL @ anyone messing up the Zero lock rings. You just make sure the tool is actually seated down into the ring and you snug it down. If you're stripping the tool you either don't have it all the way into the ring or you're ape arming it trying to lock it down tighter than it needs to be. Using a strap wrench means you're definitely cranking on it harder than you need to.


We own or have owned every single piece of equipment mentioned in this thread so far and more. And already have a couple SAC presses ordered. Why? Because we can and we like trying new things. Won't be selling the Zero press though (or the mark 7 apex, or the xl750, or the Redding T7).

Comparing the Zero to the Nexus, what I see so far is the Nexus will be a smaller footprint and far less investment (lower initial cost + no turret costs). The hard stops not touching shell holder......makes sense. However, it's not going to be any revolutionary change.


You're not going to get much different results on paper using cheaper presses. You may however find the user experience more satisfying or you may not. No one can tell you what you will personally feel is worth money or not. Though some may decide to insult you on a forum over it.



Lastly, we all "waste" money by default participating in this industry. Almost zero of what we do is required and the ROI is terrible. So, it's ridiculous to argue over that point. In fact, the guy who's yelling above pays PRS a yearly membership to record his mid pack or lower scores. Even though he's yelling a people for "wasting" money on a press. He just chooses to waste his money a different way. And that's perfectly fine. It's his money. Just like it's your money going to a Zero and/or Nexus.
Your a funny dude. Talk a bunch of shit then just Don't show up. You would have gotten your shit pushed in and you know it. So keep on making lengthy posts on the hide and never putting your money where your mouth is.

All those dudes you LOL at, actually showed up to compete. They would have kicked this shit out of you too.

You are a joke, you are a meme. You will fail at this business venture just like the last 3, then come back with some new screen name. Maybe you should look into ostrich farmings or selling energy drinks. Maybe you need to run a Co-ax or a T7. Save the money for bankruptcy court.

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Atleast you beat the DQ, but still Lost to homboy who got covid.
 
To be clear, if you do any amount of volume or don't really like cranking on a handle, invest in a Mark 7 product or an xl750 with a mark 7 auto drive. If you have a budget and have to pick between an automated setup (or just progressive with handle) or single stage press. If you have the budget for both, just buy several.

What I mainly use the zero for is when I'm either developing a load or I'm developing a process. Since I'm doing much smaller batches and don't mind taking the time to do each process individually. Once that load or process is determined and I need to put volume in, I do as much as possible with an automated press. The Nexus will be used in a similar fashion. I'm not going to mandrel 5,000 cases with either the Nexus or the Zero......

I use the AMP/AMP Mate the same. I manually anneal small batches and use the robot for larger.

I also use Prometheus the same. I run small batch stuff with an Fx120 system (currently V4, but waiting on Ingenuity). Once it's time to crank out a lot of ammo, I switch to the Prometheus where I don't have to keep moving a powder cup.
 
To be clear, if you do any amount of volume or don't really like cranking on a handle, invest in a Mark 7 product or an xl750 with a mark 7 auto drive. If you have a budget and have to pick between an automated setup (or just progressive with handle) or single stage press. If you have the budget for both, just buy several.

What I mainly use the zero for is when I'm either developing a load or I'm developing a process. Since I'm doing much smaller batches and don't mind taking the time to do each process individually. Once that load or process is determined and I need to put volume in, I do as much as possible with an automated press. The Nexus will be used in a similar fashion. I'm not going to mandrel 5,000 cases with either the Nexus or the Zero......

I use the AMP/AMP Mate the same. I manually anneal small batches and use the robot for larger.

I also use Prometheus the same. I run small batch stuff with an Fx120 system (currently V4, but waiting on Ingenuity). Once it's time to crank out a lot of ammo, I switch to the Prometheus where I don't have to keep moving a powder cup.
You must have @DeathBeforeDismount on the ignore list 🤣
 
No he just talks at me instead of too me. It's a sign up autism/fear. He can't resist talking shit about me but is too much a bitch to be direct. Hence why when I spit facts at him he pretends like he doesn't see it. Like the posts above. It's a classic beta trait.

He spent all month running his suck hole about how he is gona shoot in the TX match that he knew I was going to, I challenged him and then he just didn't show up like a punk. Hence the meme.
 
I think anyone having issues with the lock rings on the Zero is drinking far too much, or the lack understanding.
Now, I have a Zero and a T7 among others I don’t recommend the Zero over the T7. Not for my use.
 
No its not. It has zero translation into better ammo (concentric, less run out, more consistent sizing & seating,ect)

Explain how its more enjoyable to pull the handle of a Zero vs any of the turret presses.

There is nothing premium about them. In fact, it can be argued there are some drawbacks such as the shitty over priced rings they push.

If you think a Co-ax or a T7 is cheap shit, then go tell that to the independently wealthy shooters who are world champions. You somehow think the zero or nexus is a better press because its costs more money. In fact, its marketed to dumb shits and people without the IQ to know the value in what they are buying. They see dollar signs and assume quality. You know who thinks like that? Poor people.

So im going to keep on sitting in my $150K shop/office behind the house with 300sqfoot climate controlled reloading equipment, dank expoxy floors and over 30 feet of reloading benches and the best equipment money can buy. If a 419 press offered anything better, i would probably have a few of them. It would probably be sandwiched between 2 ST , the AMP and more Bergers than your car is worth.

Just say you like spending more money to inflate your ego because your self worth is somehow tied to this equipment. THAT we could understand.
Got all that money wrapped up in a “shop” and reloading and still mid pack? But we are the idiots for buying a 1200 dollar press lmao cope and seethe my guy.

Inb4 blah blah show up to a 2 day match and 1v1 me, you don’t even shoot prs 😂

Instead of being so insufferable and going on useless rants on the internet, go touch grass and shoot a little more.
 
Geez…I start a thread to get some info and the train goes off the tracks!

I guess I shouldn’t start a thread asking about the AutoTrickler v4 vs SuperTrickler?
Ah that is nothing, super trickler of course LOL but seriously I just want to know whether to use a tuner or not
 
I have neither press, and don’t plan on buying either one, but I will say I was impressed with the thought and materials used in the new SAC Press after watching F Class Johns shot show video. The way they are allowing the shellholder to pivot is a pretty cool idea as is the mechanical stop.


 
Geez…I start a thread to get some info and the train goes off the tracks!

I guess I shouldn’t start a thread asking about the AutoTrickler v4 vs SuperTrickler?

I was just trying to help you save some money but yeah maybe you should buy both just so you know you have the most expensive toys and you will win life. LOL ;)
 
Sometimes it’s not about better ammo per se, but a better experience to make the ammo. Top tier presses, smoother user experience.

I would buy my Zero again with out a doubt. I reload 5-6 calibers on my Zero, and pairing the SAC seating die for 308 based cases, helps knock out extra seating dies in the turret. But if you’re going to shoot several more calibers in addition to what you shoot already, the nexus press would probably be better for quicker die changes.
This. And I won a 50% off cert at a PRS match so that helped.
 
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So im going to keep on sitting in my $150K shop/office behind the house with 300sqfoot climate controlled reloading equipment, dank expoxy floors and over 30 feet of reloading benches and the best equipment money can buy.
Ooooh, my fucking hero. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So, do you work at being an unmitigated asshole or does it just come naturally to you?
 
The real question here is...


Do you want a press designed to have mechanical stops and cam over? (Nexus)

Or a press designed to touch shell holder to die without cam over? (Zero)
Actually, the ZERO does have a slight bit of cam-over. 👍🏼
 
Personally, I think $800 for a co-ax press is kind of ridiculous, but that's just me.

I like my Zero. At least it has 9 stations on top of it. And for those talking about how it's not making any more accurate ammo... This is true. I was making just as accurate ammo for 20 years with my old RCBS Rock Chucker (that's now half worn-out and has lots of jiggly play in it), but it's more about the reloading experience. The smoothness of the press. The precision that went into design and execution of making it. It's the little features that are awesome, like the internal primer catcher system, and the fact that compared to my RCBS, the ram goes straight up and down, and has no play in it. My RC got so bad, that I had to use 2 hands every time I pulled the lever... 1 on the handle, and the other index finger against the case wall to hold it still in the shell holder to keep it from wiggling and falling out of alignment when moving it up into the dies. Even with the press still making good ammo, it had been worn-out like that for a good 5+ years, and it was annoying. It was time for either a new RC or something better. And the Zero dropped, and I had the spare money, and that was all she wrote. Been extremely happy ever since.

Pardon the background mess, my reloading room is also a spare bedroom...

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I have neither press, and don’t plan on buying either one, but I will say I was impressed with the thought and materials used in the new SAC Press after watching F Class Johns shot show video. The way they are allowing the shellholder to pivot is a pretty cool idea as is the mechanical stop.



It's a whole lot cooler than what I got.
 
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I can only LOL @ anyone messing up the Zero lock rings. You just make sure the tool is actually seated down into the ring and you snug it down. If you're stripping the tool you either don't have it all the way into the ring or you're ape arming it trying to lock it down tighter than it needs to be. Using a strap wrench means you're definitely cranking on it harder than you need to.
The stripped lock rings are actually a known thing. Plenty of people have experienced this. The issue is that the rings, depending on temperature, can literally lock into the turret. Even under situations where you only hand tighten. I didn't believe it until it happened to me.

Area419 fixed the issue by redesigning the wrench to have better bite on the internal teeth. I have since moved on to FW Arms machined 1 inch lock rings.

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Personally, I think $800 for a co-ax press is kind of ridiculous, but that's just me.

I like my Zero. At least it has 9 stations on top of it. And for those talking about how it's not making any more accurate ammo... This is true. I was making just as accurate ammo for 20 years with my old RCBS Rock Chucker (that's now half worn-out and has lots of jiggly play in it), but it's more about the reloading experience. The smoothness of the press. The precision that went into design and execution of making it. It's the little features that are awesome, like the internal primer catcher system, and the fact that compared to my RCBS, the ram goes straight up and down, and has no play in it. My RC got so bad, that I had to use 2 hands every time I pulled the lever... 1 on the handle, and the other index finger against the case wall to hold it still in the shell holder to keep it from wiggling and falling out of alignment when moving it up into the dies. Even with the press still making good ammo, it had been worn-out like that for a good 5+ years, and it was annoying. It was time for either a new RC or something better. And the Zero dropped, and I had the spare money, and that was all she wrote. Been extremely happy ever since.

Pardon the background mess, my reloading room is also a spare bedroom...

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Be careful. Soon someone will come in and call you a poor for using cheap shit like a wilton instead of a orange vise.
 
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I'm happy with my Zero. I don't know that I'd buy another if mine went to crap but it is nice being able to leave things set up, especially using the SAC dies. There's no reason to even set up my Dillon 750 for rifle cartridges. Running a SAC die with the mandrel does everything I'd do on my 750.

If I could do it all over again. I'd probably just run the Co-Ax but I got a good deal on my Zero and there's no point in trying to sell it.
 
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For all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth and the butt hurt in these press threads, do people even buy or use measurement tools for measuring the results in concentricity in loaded ammo in ammo one press produces compared to the next. I’ve never known many prs style shooters to measure concentricity and these presses aren’t popular with the f class and Bench rest crowds

Do they analyze where the runout is being introduced whether it is after resizing or seating

Do f class shooters think concentricity is a top factor in consistent ammo
 
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I forgot to add...

I have since moved onto automating my entire precision rifle setup. I have not seen any difference on target.

Time is on my side. I have learned that I value my time with my family more than sitting in front of my bench.



You had my curiosity but now you have my attention.
 
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You had my curiosity but now you have my attention.

PM me if you have any questions.

 
Be careful. Soon someone will come in and call you a poor for using cheap shit like a wilton instead of a orange vise.
Well, I try not to be a Poor anymore, but that old Wilton has been a damn-fine tool. It's built MANY guns and been used for more shit than most of the ones I've had out in my work shops. I use that vise on average at least once every 2 weeks for something around the house, if not for something to do with guns. 😂
 
Personally, I think $800 for a co-ax press is kind of ridiculous, but that's just me.

I like my Zero. At least it has 9 stations on top of it. And for those talking about how it's not making any more accurate ammo... This is true. I was making just as accurate ammo for 20 years with my old RCBS Rock Chucker (that's now half worn-out and has lots of jiggly play in it), but it's more about the reloading experience. The smoothness of the press. The precision that went into design and execution of making it. It's the little features that are awesome, like the internal primer catcher system, and the fact that compared to my RCBS, the ram goes straight up and down, and has no play in it. My RC got so bad, that I had to use 2 hands every time I pulled the lever... 1 on the handle, and the other index finger against the case wall to hold it still in the shell holder to keep it from wiggling and falling out of alignment when moving it up into the dies. Even with the press still making good ammo, it had been worn-out like that for a good 5+ years, and it was annoying. It was time for either a new RC or something better. And the Zero dropped, and I had the spare money, and that was all she wrote. Been extremely happy ever since.

Pardon the background mess, my reloading room is also a spare bedroom...

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The zero press is really a single stage press for it's cost, it cannot be used as all other turret presses on the market, so $800 for co ax vs. zero take your pick between the two. I would rather have a true turret press and also by another press but that is just me, I use three presses now.