Rifle Scopes B25, razor 2, Premier comparison.

[FUNCTIONAL]

I honestly hate these types of threads but I really have no way to compare these.

currently have a Razor2 4.5-27 on my AX but have been thinking of switching it out for something that can adjust my zero with no tools when i switch barrels.

all 3 have similar reticles...razor2 has a slight edge for miling with the .1 mil graduations but this isn't a deal breaker.

my question really comes down to glass. The powers are are about equal but I know the better the glass the more useable that power range is and a shitty 27x may be only as good as a 20x with better glass. For whoever has used them how do these 3 stack up against eachother? Is the eyebox as forgiving on the PR and B25 as it is on the R2?

I feel these are are top tier scopes but anything I should consider going to a USO or PR?

I know PR isnt made anymore. Have an opportunity to pick one up and will be checking to see if its under ATN warranty or not. If it isnt....is PR that much better than USO/Vortex that it would still be worth considering still?

 

[Poorboyr]

I have all three scopes and have done side by side comparisons on them. Let me start off by saying everyone's eyes are different, so people may have different opinions than me on glass quality. I look at glass quality by reading license plates at 850 - 900 yards away. Weight isn't a factor to me, because these scopes are on target rifles.

Vortex Gen II - Very heavy and other usual things people say about it. Turrets are good. Glass pops and is bright, however it isn't that clear at distances. I cannot read plates at 900 yards and has some CA.

US Optics B25 - Feels about the same heftiness as the Premier. Great construction and build quality. The turrets and mechanics are top notch. Glass is very good and clear. It's not as bright as the Vortex or Premier, however I can read plates at 900 yards so it passes my test.

Premier - Built like the USO. Construction seems superb. I do not care for the turrets. I like that they are tool less, but they feel very mushy to me. I will sometimes overturn the turrets because it isn't a hard click like the other two. The Premier has the best glass. True color and capable of reading the plates.

Glass in order is 1. Premier 2. USO 3. Vortex.

If I could choose only one, it would be the USO. The great glass mixed with the best by far turret system is a no brainer for me.

 

[Thumper580]

I haven't tried the Premier, but have had the Razor and currently the B25. I agree with what Poorboyr stated above.

 

[TheOE800]

Vortex Gen II - Very heavy and other usual things people say about it. Turrets are good. Glass pops and is bright, however it isn't that clear at distances. I cannot read plates at 900 yards and has some CA.

Everyone raves about these, but I thought I was the only one who thought the high-end resolution just wasn't there. Nice, but not great and amenable to the price, especially if you get one used .

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

Everyone raves about these, but I thought I was the only one who thought the high-end resolution just wasn't there. Nice, but not great and amenable to the price, especially if you get one used .

Ya know....i rarely use mine at max power but the few times I did for ranging it was never clear enough. I had thought mirage played a role but now yall have me thinking ut might just lack a little up top too.

I can agree on the vortex vs premier comparisons. I do own a 3-15 premier and I do believe the glass is better. The turrets... you should see if atn still sells the turret parts (springs and detents) that freshen up the turrets. My elevatuion is mushy as yours but my windage is crisp.

weight I don't care about. Im not planning on humping this rifle miles and miles through the woods.

based off your comparison id probably agree if I was to make a switch it would likely be the uso.

id still like to hear more comparisons if anyone has em. As mentioned glass can be subjective but if 9 out of 10 agree then odds are good.

 

[delfuego]

The glass/image in Premier scopes is outstanding. It can vary a little from model and year though. Last weekend we had my Premier Optronika setup next to a Tangent Theta and there was little to no discernible difference in image quality, resolution, depth of field, etc. It may be there, but we really couldn't see it that day. As for the turrets, I personally love the Premier turret and the MTC. Eyebox on the Premier is easy and the parallax is excellent. During matches I can usually adjust parallax for a middle distance and run the stage without ever having to touch the parallax to adjust. The tool-less zero is great too. After having it, it is hard not to miss it. I wish they still built them or wish the TT wasn't double the price.

There is really no comparison with the Razor. But... Vortex is the best around with warranty and customer service. That is worth a lot in my book.

 

[jbailey]

Love my Premier 5-25x's. Hands down the best optic I have run across (I have not seen the TTs, nor the latest gen Hensoldts and Schmidts). I found the PRs a huge upgrade over the USO 5-25 and sold my USO. This is 7 years plus back so maybe the current USO generation is better. Everything about the PR is top of the line to me - glass, turrets, ruggedness, fit and finish, reticle, eyebox, precision of the clicks value (10 mils is 100% 36.0000 inches at 100yds and each click in between is 0.360000 inches). I have gotten years and years, many many hours of shooting from them, so massive value to me.

With all that said, buying a used PR is dangerous with that warranty issue. If you had an offer from a seller you trust, and you got a good price - say $2000-$2200 - I would purchase. However, I wouldn't buy one from just anyone. With brand new 5-25x Schimdts going for under $2500 on Euro Optic and Mile High, I would jump on one of those. But that is just me.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[LRshooter6mm]

PMed

 

[CMH]

(10 mils is 100% 36.0000 inches at 100yds and each click in between is 0.360000 inches).

What are you using to measure scope measurements to the ten thousandth or hundred thousandth of an inch at 100 yards?

 

[jbailey]

What are you using to measure scope measurements to the ten thousandth or hundred thousandth of an inch at 100 yards?

Sorry, did not mean to implied I was really measuring the Premier clicks to that degree of precision. I was just implying they are really precise but not in a literal sense.

 

[TheOE800]

What are you using to measure scope measurements to the ten thousandth or hundred thousandth of an inch at 100 yards?

He's saying .1 mil is .1 mil and the scope tracks true.

 

[Hondo1]

I have the GEN 2 and B25. The glass to my eyes is a wash, the B25 is noticeably lighter but it is freakin looooong on my Rifle AIAX. Glass aside I like everything about the Gen2 better other than the weight.

 

[Long Range 338]

I recently went thru the same issue. I love the Premiers (great glass, awesome turrets, nothing I don't like) but the warranty is a real bitch. I keep hoping that some small shop will decide they can repair the PR scopes - not warranty, just repair! I had a Gen 2 and sold it off and put a TT on the gun because it was multi caliber and the tool less zero with excellent glass won me over. I've not had the opportunity to compare to the B series USO scopes. The USO scopes I've used are great but I really like the turrets on the Gen 2 and the Premier better. YMMV

 

[Silvan]

Had a Premier 5-25x56 in MOA-ER. Glass is perfect but I did not like turrets, always overturned them.

 

[ICU22250]

I never owned a Premier, but I can tell you that my TT 5-25 turrets a bar none the best I've ever felt.. period! I would say that the gen2 razor also has great turrets. My gen2 seemed to resolve just fine at distance, I had it side by side with a Kahles k624i and to me it resolved better than the Kahles.. only reason I parted with it was cause it's a heavy bitch...

 

[lancetkenyon]

No experience with the USO B25, but I had a Vortex Razor Gen 2 4.5-27x56 (sold it) & I still own a Premier Heritage 5-25x56. The ONLY thing I liked better on the Vortex was the reticle. While the Gen 2XR is a great reticle, the EBR-2C was better.

 

[TheOE800]

Gen 2XR is what keeps me from buying a TT.

 

[delfuego]

Gen2 XR is a great reticle. It doesn't have 2/10th wind, but it's awesome none the less. Never limited me in any way.

 

[hk dave]

I often miss all my Premier scopes... except for the mil dot, moa turrets one... that one sucked.

 

[TheOE800]

Gen2 XR is a great reticle. It doesn't have 2/10th wind, but it's awesome none the less. Never limited me in any way.

If I could get over the reticle, I'd still have to get over the price tag. Minox is close enough for me, I guess.

 

[D_TROS]

I have all three scopes and have done side by side comparisons on them. Let me start off by saying everyone's eyes are different, so people may have different opinions than me on glass quality. I look at glass quality by reading license plates at 850 - 900 yards away. Weight isn't a factor to me, because these scopes are on target rifles.

Vortex Gen II - Very heavy and other usual things people say about it. Turrets are good. Glass pops and is bright, however it isn't that clear at distances. I cannot read plates at 900 yards and has some CA.

US Optics B25 - Feels about the same heftiness as the Premier. Great construction and build quality. The turrets and mechanics are top notch. Glass is very good and clear. It's not as bright as the Vortex or Premier, however I can read plates at 900 yards so it passes my test.

Premier - Built like the USO. Construction seems superb. I do not care for the turrets. I like that they are tool less, but they feel very mushy to me. I will sometimes overturn the turrets because it isn't a hard click like the other two. The Premier has the best glass. True color and capable of reading the plates.

Glass in order is 1. Premier 2. USO 3. Vortex.

If I could choose only one, it would be the USO. The great glass mixed with the best by far turret system is a no brainer for me.

My thoughts but wanted to emphasize a difference. The premier is by and far the best scope UNTIL it breaks down...and no one will fix it. My friend just sent his in to repair...in the serial number range to be fixed...and that particular part is no longer available. It literally is just a matter of time until there will BE NO WARRENTY on the premiers. Im only stating the facts so no one will get overly burnt. I guess its cool if you can get one for around $1000-maybe $1400 then when it craps you can just trade towards a TT.

Second point the USO and the Vortex are both very close. I trust the tracking on the USO better (gut feeling) and the Vortex rect better. I hate the tooless rezero (afraid it will come loose) on the USO and hate the locking knobs on the Vortex (accidentally lock when prone and turn knobs)

Again, as mentioned, get behind both and see what knobs/rect you prefer. Its a large investment, do it right the first time.


Regards,
DT

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

Second point the USO and the Vortex are both very close. I trust the tracking on the USO better (gut feeling) and the Vortex rect better. I hate the tooless rezero (afraid it will come loose) on the USO and hate the locking knobs on the Vortex (accidentally lock when prone and turn

Regards,
DT

Why do you feel like the USO "cap" would come loose? Just a feeling?

Ive eyed the TTs but I just cant justify the cost of one. Its a shame because i bet its a really nice scope.

As much as id love the premier Im leaning towards the USO solely because of the warranty issues as mentioned.

not sure if this came across in my post but I do have the Vortex currently. Just looking for toolless zero on the elevation at a minimum.

if anyone is around greenville/raleigh area that has a B25 i can look through id appreciate it. Otherwise I'm gunna have to go blind. Vortex, bushnell, athlon and schmidt seem to rule the fields around here.