Re: Battle Stocks for ARs
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Magpul offers nothing that I need nor want for my AR10. Yes their PRS stock is effective on a precision gun. Other than actual mag-pulls, trigger guard, and flip up sights, what does MagPul offer? And about cost effectiveness, it cost them maybe 3$ to make each mag. I dont think much engineering would go into relocating that mag catch and resizing the body of the mag. People already make them work with sand paper and a dremel. Armalite may be less popular, but thats only because America likes cheap things. Which is why I guess everyone likes Magpul. Magpul can suck it for all I care, they have nothing I need for my AR10. And ERGO makes the 93b stock. Its the F93 now or whatever. Same design, I guess different polymer?
The entire assault rifle should be viable as a weapon once supplies are gone. The original A1 stock is fine, but I want something collapsible. I think a good stock plays an important role in a rifle, comfort and consistent aiming are luxuries us consumers want. Something like the M93 stock, with a VLTOR cheek weld, but made out of a stronger material. Maybe the core frame of it be metal, and polymers for storage and cheek weld. Then make a buffer tube out of steel or aluminum with a different contour to give it more strength. I just figured there would be more options when it came to stocks. Everyone is focusing on rails, and sights, and barrels, but not stocks. Everything is pretty much the same and nothing out of the norm. </div></div>
First, to address your short-bus thought pattern on magpul- they started producing LR20 mags after the army adopted the M110. Pay attention to history- the design adopted by the military will almost always be the predominate design. You're thinking far too small picture on the costs to change over for production of an armalite mag- you're talking all new design, all new tooling, new presses, an additional production line. The costs to produce an armalite mag and the very limited sales they'd make simply does not allow for good business sense. Do you actually believe they should loose money on the affair? Or do you really think someone would go buy 4 mags for their AR-10 at $40 each when the SR-25 mags are $20 each? No, they'll be pissed off and assume Mag-pul is price gouging them. I have a feeling you'd be one of the first to scream about it. No body consider's production costs and recouping start-up costs of a product. Until you're in charge of a product design and manufacturing program you're really not in a good position to criticize if a company declines to manufacture a product.
Now lets touch on America not liking armalite because America likes cheap. Last I checked, my M110 runs SR-25/DPMS style mags... which incidentally, are nearly identical to pre 94 redesign AR-10 mags (TRUE first pattern AR-10). Anyway, the KAC gun is by no means "cheap", neither is an OBR... and there are plenty other expensive .308's running the KAC mag. This has nothing to do with "cheap", everything to do with potential for sales volume- with the KAC mags being the "standard" for AR pattern .308's, that is the most likely money maker (and I doubt they are making anywhere near as much on the .308 mags as they are the 5.56)
Now, on to your second paragraph- You have been way to close to mall ninja for a while now, I think it's safe to say you've gone totally overboard now. You are NOT going to be running and gunning, smashing faces and playing "Johnny gunslinger" during Armageddon. Get real. Assuming this totally unlikely event DID happen, If you're running around with a black long gun, you will be a target to criminal groups, well trained and well armed enforcement groups and individuals on their own version of hunting. Worse than carrying a loaded AR for everyone to see, would be carrying an AR for which you have no ammunition.
What's next? You want to know how to best use 3 trama plates in your carrier? Or are you going to talk about how Vietnam still trembles at the sound of your name?
Seriously, this is the wrong forum to be talking about end of days, SHTF, bashing skulls with your AR10 BS. You're talking to some guys who have multiple combat tours and have never needed to bash someone's brains in (3 for myself and no brain bashing)
Edit: $3.50? You really think the total cost they have into a .308 Pmag is $3.50? So you're telling me you see a 600% mark-up over cost by the time you buy it? That includes taxes, raw materials, labor, shipping, springs, factory space, advertising, design costs, product development, product testing, tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition for testing, tooling, presses... so on, so fourth. I bet you also believe a Cadillac CTS only costs GM $10,000 to manufacture right?
