Beam scale vs electronic scales

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Looking to buy a new scale to reload. I know about the Prometheus (too expensive) and the FX 120 with area 419 accessories (maybe a possibility) and Scott Parker tunes beam scales.

I would like something reliable, accurate and consistent. I don’t need to reload 200 rounds every night but would like to be efficient/ accurate in my reloading.

What do you gents recommend with your experience.
 
The FX 120 is nice and more sensitive than any beam scale I've used.

If you don't load much and don't mind spending time at it, you don't need an auto-trickler.

I'm not sure anything is going to give you more accuracy in less time if you do go with an auto-trickler. They are nice.
 
Another vote for the FX120i here, if it's in your budget! Yes, you could just pick up the scale by itself and dump/trickle by hand, but not getting the Auto throw and trickler would be a mistake, in my opinion. It makes it so much faster and easier.

If you don't want to spend that much, there's nothing at all wrong with a Chargemaster. I've loaded tens of thousands of very accurate rounds with low SD and ES on the Chargemaster, and I know I'm not alone. The FX120i is a better scale and the entire setup throws charges quicker, but it's three times the cost of a Chargemaster
 
I know nobody here likes beam scales anymore, but I have a vintage Ohaus 505 that I have verified with my analytical balance (Scientech SA310) to have an extreme spread over 20 charges of .09 grains and a SD of .03 grains.

Combined with a powder thrower that is set to throw .3 grains under, it is a fast and accurate combo. I only use the analytical balance to verify other scales and for ELR.
 
I used the old school (Ohaus) RCBS' with a modified pointer and camera. 505 and 1010 both set up the same way. I use check weights to zero within 5 grains of what I am charging. Can see the pointer move on single kernels. Repeatable and fast enough.
 
FX 120 and an Autotrickler is all you need. Buy a Lee powder measure set to dump your initial drops and you're good to go. The rest is expensive fluff.

This is what I’m going to use with a Chargemaster Lite. Just looked up the FX 120i, holy crap that expensive tool! Not even on my radar lol... good luck with what you choose, but an auto trickler and powder thrower is a must IMO.
 
This is what I’m going to use with a Chargemaster Lite. Just looked up the FX 120i, holy crap that expensive tool! Not even on my radar lol... good luck with what you choose, but an auto trickler and powder thrower is a must IMO.

Not trying to be a smartass but ya lost me, you want to use an auto trickler and a powder in conjunction with your Chargemaster Lite?
 
Well, I may be the outlier, but I still use my old beam scale. Never trusted the electronic ones. Sure, I'm not loading huge volumes of ammo, but I get along just fine with my good old beam scale. It's dead-nuts accurate and dead-nuts simple. No power needed and easy to check accuracy periodically. I like simple and reliable. Deal with it! :)
 
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I loaded 50 rounds yesterday with my FX120i in right around 23 minutes. That includes adding or removing a kernel or two when it over or underthrew (it happens sometimes, where you set it to throw 32.0 and you get 31.98 or a clump of powder falls out and you get 32.06) and a few times that I didn't move the funnel, so I had to dump all the powder and start over. Considering my OCD and mistakes, it threw charges pretty quickly.
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned here is the speed of the 120i. If you are sorting brass and bullets by weight, the 120i is faster than a beam, since all you do is set the case/bullet on the platform and read the weight. No adjusting the poises to balance out.
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned here is the speed of the 120i. If you are sorting brass and bullets by weight, the 120i is faster than a beam, since all you do is set the case/bullet on the platform and read the weight. No adjusting the poises to balance out.
If you are sorting then electronic is the only way to go.
 
Opinions are like ... everybody has one.

Balance beam scales are reasonably accurate but require good technique and they are slow but they do not require electricity.

I own a Dillon battery-powered scale, I would not recommend it - it is load cell type and doesn't hold a zero. It was bought for BR matches and it was never good for that.

I own two Denver Instruments digital scales, one good to a tenth of a grain and another one good to 0.02 grain. Both are load cell types. The first one is old but it is rock solid, the display is partly defective but I still use it to check other stuff. If you put something on it, you get an answer, fast, and it doesn't wander all over. If I zero it today, it will have the same zero in a week or a month. It doesn't care about electrical stuff in the area.

The second DI scale is much twitchier. It is also a load cell but it is hard to get a trustworthy reading - it drifts. It sits on my bench waiting for an application. I would sell it but I won't lie about it.

I own a chargemaster (CM) and I liked for a long time. The automation is good, it rarely overthrows. When it does, I can throw the charge into the powder hopper and get another one. It is reasonably accurate - I won't go further than that.

A few years back I bought a Sartorius Practum 213-1S. I would throw a charge with the CM, pour it into the Sartorius pan, and use a little battery-powered trickler to finish the charge. I loaded precision ammo that way for several years. I could definitely see the improvement on my targets - compared to the CM it cut my vertical in half or better.

Last year I bought the AutoThrow AutoTrickler combination from Adam MacDonald. It is a Rube Goldberg setup but it works as advertised and it is significantly faster than my CM-to-Sartorius-to-trickler method and there is less fiddling around. Put the little cup on the scale, wait for the motor to stop, put the powder into the case, move the funnel, put the cup back on the scale. If it throws an overcharge, I toss it into the powder hopper and do it again. I have two complaints: (1) I change charge weights and I have not figured out how to repeatably set the thrower and (2) In order to start the process, you need something on the scale that matches your desired charge weight and that is a pain. I'm thinking about making some weights that match the charges that I throw - pieces of brass or something.

Except for my first Denver Instruments, I did not have good luck with load cell scales. Even the CM is not super stable. If you want very precise amounts, fast, you are going to spend some pretty serious bucks. Fast, right, cheap, pick two.
 
^^ “I’m thinking about making some weights that match the charges that I throw - pieces of brass or something. “

I bought some cheap plastic test tubes with plastic stoppers to make target weights for my autotrickler setup. The tubes themselves weigh about 30 grains, and I put in enough powder to get them to the desired target weight. I then label them with load data. Works great.
 
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“I change charge weights and I have not figured out how to repeatably set the thrower and (2) In order to start the process, you need something on the scale that matches your desired charge weight and that is a pain. I'm thinking about making some weights that match the charges that I throw - pieces of brass or something. ”

Just keep a primed case filled with each powder charge, capped finger tight with an upside down bullet.
Permanent marker the charge weight and you’re set.
 
Mr. DellaDog and Mr. ah1356, my thanks to both of you for identifying good and easy solutions. I have plastic tubes with plastic caps.

The solution I thought of was more complicated and Adam had to do it. Add a button to the controller that spins the trickler. Put the empty cup on the scale, press the button until close, manually turn the white trickler knob until perfect. Reset the controller box with the now-perfect weight.

Plastic tubes are cheaper and faster.
 
Adam’s modification to the trickler you describe has other uses as well. One gap in that approach is that I can use my test tube weights as a check of the scale itself. I think the combination of both solutions is 2+2=5. I may email Adam about that mod.

Thanks - Aaron