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Bino question

Cserv

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Just bought a pair of Redfield 10x42's on black Friday, was looking for some smaller ones, but the price was good at 150.00. Well here is the question, I was a Bass Pro and saw some Swaro 10x25's, for the same price, should I trade? They will be used for hunting and observation while hiking. any suggestion's welcome and appreciated. Just can't justify having both right now, so that one is out.
Thanks,
Eric
 
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larger objective diameter when there is less light. so, while the quality on the swaro is for sure great, a 25mm diameter swaro might give you really nice picture during the day, closer do dawn/dusk the redfield might win.

also keep in mind: the beam diameter should be about the same or larger than your pupil diameter. the 10x42 has a beam diameter of 4.2 milimeter towards the eye. that's fine to hold and fine for waning daylight. the 10x25 has a 2.5 milimeter beam width - something you can only appreciate during bright day.
 
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short update: for general daylight hunting, i'd recommend 8x40 or similar. 10x40 is not really necessary - for spotting you can use your rifle scope.

if you intend to do dusk/dawn raised hide/stand hunting, everyone i know highly recommends 8x56 - that's a 7mm diameter beam which fully takes advantage of the open pupil combined with a decent magnification.

quality: zeiss, swaro ... but those are notably above a few hundred. leica is really good.

here - if you go for hunting, something i would personally recommend/suggest: try to get used leica geovid 8x42. rangefinder and bino in one. yes, probably more than you intend to give away ... but then also most of the tools you'll ever need in one small nice package.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cserv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just bought a pair of Redfield 10x42's on black Friday, was looking for some smaller ones, but the price was good at 150.00. Well here is the question, I was a Bass Pro and saw some <span style="color: #FFFF66">Swaro 10x25's, for the same price</span>, should I trade? They will be used for hunting and observation while hiking. any suggestion's welcome and appreciated. Just can't justify having both right now, so that one is out.
Thanks,
Eric </div></div>


You must have missed a 0 on the swaro's I have a pair of swaro's in 8x32 SLC and I flat out love them. I am trying to get enough cash together for the new 12x50 El's them I will sell these, just not enougn power for the big open range here in Utah.
 
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If the Swarovskis are priced at $150.00 buy them. Return the Redfields and then if you don't like the Swarovskis sell them for a $50-75.00 profit.
Seriously the glass in the Redfields and the resolution capabilities are in completely different classes.
I'm a Leica guy, and wouldn't waste money on cheap binos like the Redfields.
8X is all you really need for 99% of hnting situations. The only handicap is the exit pupil on the 10X25's.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: threetrees</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> - for spotting you can use your rifle scope.

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Absolute fucking brilliance there.......
 
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hey there 3trees where do you hunt?you sir are a fuckin douch use your scope for spotting?i know what you would recieve if i find you looking at me in the woods through your scope.its people like you that get other people hurt dumbass.shit i hate your kind!!!!!!!
 
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I am by no means trying to get into any sort of argument, just trying to figure out what the fuss is about. Is the issue with using a riflescope for spotting because of the possibility of flagging someone? I think in certain hunting situations where you want to go light, spotting with a scope is perfectly acceptable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think in certain hunting situations where you want to go light, spotting with a scope is perfectly acceptable. </div></div>

Yeah, well maybe, but if I catch you fouling ME with that f'king muzzle, then the rest of your day is going to absolutely suck.........
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think in certain hunting situations where you want to go light, spotting with a scope is perfectly acceptable. </div></div>

Yeah, well maybe, but if I catch you fouling ME with that f'king muzzle, then the rest of your day is going to absolutely suck......... </div></div>

Nice.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think in certain hunting situations where you want to go light, spotting with a scope is perfectly acceptable. </div></div>

Yeah, well maybe, but if I catch you fouling ME with that f'king muzzle, then the rest of your day is going to absolutely suck......... </div></div>

Nice. </div></div>

It's freaking <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">hunting</span></span> dude, a recreational act, not a life or death situation. Try to wrap your brain around the fact that you are an upright walking, non knuckle dragging, modern Homo-Sapien with the power to apply reasoning and common sense to <span style="font-style: italic">everything</span> you do. If you want to go light and not bother with the weight of a spotter, then bother to use a set of good bins. Pasting crosshairs on something you are trying to identify because you can't see it good enough with the naked eye is just not f'king cool.
 
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To each his own, bro. If you can read, than you saw that I wasn't trying to get involved in the telephone toughguy forum argument. I also asked a very clear question, which you failed to have the professionalism to answer, and I caveated my comment with "certain hunting situations", which common sense would dictate doesn't include your little crowded strip of state forest behind your trailerpark.

It seems to me that if I have a 25X monocular with $3k of glass in it already in my hands, than that is what I'm going to use to scan or ID. I'm supremely confident in my weapons handling and I know my rifle doesn't shoot itself. If it did, I wouldn't paste crosshairs on anything. Additionally, if I'm at a distance that necessitates me to use an optic to ID something, and it happens to be you, rest assured you won't "catch" me "fouling" you, so I'm pretty sure the rest of my day will be just fine. And hey, this all based on my own personal level of experience, and my confidence in my experience and abilities. To each his own.

Reel it in there big guy and please let this thread go back to binos.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> To each his own, bro. If you can read, than you saw that I wasn't trying to get involved in the telephone toughguy forum argument. I also asked a very clear question, which you failed to have the professionalism to answer, and I caveated my comment with "certain hunting situations", which common sense would dictate doesn't include your little crowded strip of state forest behind your trailerpark.

It seems to me that if I have a 25X monocular with $3k of glass in it already in my hands, than that is what I'm going to use to scan or ID. I'm supremely confident in my weapons handling and I know my rifle doesn't shoot itself. If it did, I wouldn't paste crosshairs on anything. Additionally, if I'm at a distance that necessitates me to use an optic to ID something, and it happens to be you, rest assured you won't "catch" me "fouling" you, so I'm pretty sure the rest of my day will be just fine. And hey, this all based on my own personal level of experience, and my confidence in my experience and abilities. To each his own.

Reel it in there big guy and please let this thread go back to binos. </div></div>

Well, that shows you aren't as smart as you think you are...no state forest hunting here, or trailer park, just a ton of private land we live on that we do a VERY good job of keeping people like you off of.

Guess you've never lost a loved one because of some douche bag dickhead's stupidity......okay, that's fine, wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's a mother fucker, right up there with a drunk driving fatality in my book. Stupid, and senseless.

Lemme guess though, you're from the crowd that believes your rifle's safety is 100% bomb proof too, and hunting with a hot chamber is perfectly sane regardless of your ability, situation, equipment, and terrain, because damn man you are HUNTING and you need every possible advantage you can have to kill that critter, because getting the bragging rights to that critter is FAR more important than a human life could ever be. A litmus test, that, in case you can't figure it out....you've been led to the water.

I'll make zero apologies for jumping on this everytime I see it, or hear it, or read it, regardless of the venue, as this is real life, and death, shit. It breaks the number one rule of firearms/hunting safety....NEVER point your firearm at something that you do not wish to destroy. So no, "to each his own" does NOT apply. You sir are the poster child for everything unsafe that tarnishes the good name of all those who do follow the rules and ARE safe.

For future reference for anyone else passing by this thread who may ever be tempted to spot with a rifle scope because they are too damn lazy to carry a pair of binoculars with them. The above extra large ego displayed by Mr. lionrampant is the exact reason a LOT firearms "accidents" happen..."it never happens to me because I'm a pro and I know what I'm doing". There it is, damn near word for word, right from the horse's mouth.

So yeah, let's talk about binoculars...I use Zeiss Conquest 10X and they work perfectly fine for anything I need to just look at....and I do NOT use my riflescope for anything other than directing a bullet at something I want to kill.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> To each his own, bro. If you can read, than you saw that I wasn't trying to get involved in the telephone toughguy forum argument. I also asked a very clear question, which you failed to have the professionalism to answer, and I caveated my comment with "certain hunting situations", which common sense would dictate doesn't include your little crowded strip of state forest behind your trailerpark.

It seems to me that if I have a 25X monocular with $3k of glass in it already in my hands, than that is what I'm going to use to scan or ID. I'm supremely confident in my weapons handling and I know my rifle doesn't shoot itself. If it did, I wouldn't paste crosshairs on anything. Additionally, if I'm at a distance that necessitates me to use an optic to ID something, and it happens to be you, rest assured you won't "catch" me "fouling" you, so I'm pretty sure the rest of my day will be just fine. And hey, this all based on my own personal level of experience, and my confidence in my experience and abilities. To each his own.

Reel it in there big guy and please let this thread go back to binos. </div></div>

Well, that shows you aren't as smart as you think you are...no state forest hunting here, or trailer park, just a ton of private land we live on that we do a VERY good job of keeping people like you off of.

Guess you've never lost a loved one because of some douche bag dickhead's stupidity......okay, that's fine, wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's a mother fucker, right up there with a drunk driving fatality in my book. Stupid, and senseless.

Lemme guess though, you're from the crowd that believes your rifle's safety is 100% bomb proof too, and hunting with a hot chamber is perfectly sane regardless of your ability, situation, equipment, and terrain, because damn man you are HUNTING and you need every possible advantage you can have to kill that critter, because getting the bragging rights to that critter is FAR more important than a human life could ever be. A litmus test, that, in case you can't figure it out....you've been led to the water.

I'll make zero apologies for jumping on this everytime I see it, or hear it, or read it, regardless of the venue, as this is real life, and death, shit. It breaks the number one rule of firearms/hunting safety....NEVER point your firearm at something that you do not wish to destroy. So no, "to each his own" does NOT apply. You sir are the poster child for everything unsafe that tarnishes the good name of all those who do follow the rules and ARE safe.

For future reference for anyone else passing by this thread who may ever be tempted to spot with a rifle scope because they are too damn lazy to carry a pair of binoculars with them. The above extra large ego displayed by Mr. lionrampant is the exact reason a LOT firearms "accidents" happen..."it never happens to me because I'm a pro and I know what I'm doing". There it is, damn near word for word, right from the horse's mouth.

So yeah, let's talk about binoculars...I use Zeiss Conquest 10X and they work perfectly fine for anything I need to just look at....and I do NOT use my riflescope for anything other than directing a bullet at something I want to kill. </div></div>

I have to agree with Tripwire. Spotting with a rifle scope violates all kinds of safety rules and common sense. Use binos, be safe, be smart.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lionrampant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> To each his own, bro. If you can read, than you saw that I wasn't trying to get involved in the telephone toughguy forum argument. I also asked a very clear question, which you failed to have the professionalism to answer, and I caveated my comment with "certain hunting situations", which common sense would dictate doesn't include your little crowded strip of state forest behind your trailerpark.

It seems to me that if I have a 25X monocular with $3k of glass in it already in my hands, than that is what I'm going to use to scan or ID. I'm supremely confident in my weapons handling and I know my rifle doesn't shoot itself. If it did, I wouldn't paste crosshairs on anything. Additionally, if I'm at a distance that necessitates me to use an optic to ID something, and it happens to be you, rest assured you won't "catch" me "fouling" you, so I'm pretty sure the rest of my day will be just fine. And hey, this all based on my own personal level of experience, and my confidence in my experience and abilities. To each his own.

Reel it in there big guy and please let this thread go back to binos. </div></div>

Well, that shows you aren't as smart as you think you are...no state forest hunting here, or trailer park, just a ton of private land we live on that we do a VERY good job of keeping people like you off of.

Guess you've never lost a loved one because of some douche bag dickhead's stupidity......okay, that's fine, wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's a mother fucker, right up there with a drunk driving fatality in my book. Stupid, and senseless.

Lemme guess though, you're from the crowd that believes your rifle's safety is 100% bomb proof too, and hunting with a hot chamber is perfectly sane regardless of your ability, situation, equipment, and terrain, because damn man you are HUNTING and you need every possible advantage you can have to kill that critter, because getting the bragging rights to that critter is FAR more important than a human life could ever be. A litmus test, that, in case you can't figure it out....you've been led to the water.

I'll make zero apologies for jumping on this everytime I see it, or hear it, or read it, regardless of the venue, as this is real life, and death, shit. It breaks the number one rule of firearms/hunting safety....NEVER point your firearm at something that you do not wish to destroy. So no, "to each his own" does NOT apply. You sir are the poster child for everything unsafe that tarnishes the good name of all those who do follow the rules and ARE safe.

For future reference for anyone else passing by this thread who may ever be tempted to spot with a rifle scope because they are too damn lazy to carry a pair of binoculars with them. The above extra large ego displayed by Mr. lionrampant is the exact reason a LOT firearms "accidents" happen..."it never happens to me because I'm a pro and I know what I'm doing". There it is, damn near word for word, right from the horse's mouth.

So yeah, let's talk about binoculars...I use Zeiss Conquest 10X and they work perfectly fine for anything I need to just look at....and I do NOT use my riflescope for anything other than directing a bullet at something I want to kill. </div></div>

WEll said TripWire, I agree 100%