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"Boys are broken"

Maggot

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    A very interesting article, with some provocative insights.

    Statistics are hard to argue. The major question is "Why". Is it in our 'genes' as some of you like to ascribe, as an excuse to make other races inferior, or is it socially learned?

    Though there may be an occasional unit "Broken in Box" I think 99.9% of violence is in one way or another socially learned and thus can be corrected at early levels.

    I dont suggest 'emasculating' men as the far left tards seem to want to do, rather teaching improved reasoning and emotional control.

    An interesting article.

    Popcorn.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/men...s-broken-wake-florida-shooting-203338071.html
     
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    I'd suggest reading Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax.
     
    "Boys are Broken" Sounds like a Cure song Circa 1980
     
    im assuming the presence of Testosterone is the reason most violent acts are committed by men......not really anything shocking there.

    for thousands and thousands of years, men needed to be aggressive to hunt and kill large animals for food, fight for mating rights, fight off rival tribes....you couldnt be a pussy and survive long.

    now a days, being aggressive isnt strictly necessary in our modern world.....we can buy food at the supermarket, women arent always drawn to the "strongest" mate, and we dont really have to worry about fighting off rival tribes......you can totally be a pussy and survive.

    yet, evolution doesnt act overnight.....men are still just as prone to aggression as they were several thousand years ago......

    now a healthy well adjusted person can control this aggression.....as much as we may want to bash someones head in for cutting us off in traffic, we know that is wrong and unnecessary......weve learned to control these violent impulses.

    now someone who is not healthy is going to have these same impulses......yet they lack the impulse control to refrain from acting on them.......this is why we see most violent acts committed by those who lacked structure or discipline growing up....those who were never taught there are consequences for their actions.....or those under the influence of narcotics, which lower inhibitions and effect impulse control.

    Boys are not "broken".......they are functioning just as nature intended.

    the nuclear family, that is responsible for introducing structure into boys......that is whats broken.
     
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    im assuming the presence of Testosterone is the reason most violent acts are committed by men......not really anything shocking there.

    for thousands and thousands of years, men needed to be aggressive to hunt and kill large animals for food, fight for mating rights, fight off rival tribes....you couldnt be a pussy and survive long.

    now a days, being aggressive isnt strictly necessary in our modern world.....we can buy food at the supermarket, women arent always drawn to the "strongest" mate, and we dont really have to worry about fighting off rival tribes......you can totally be a pussy and survive.

    yet, evolution doesnt act overnight.....men are still just as prone to aggression as they were several thousand years ago......

    now a healthy well adjusted person can control this aggression.....as much as we may want to bash someones head in for cutting us off in traffic, we know that is wrong and unnecessary......weve learned to control these violent impulses.

    now someone who is not healthy is going to have these same impulses......yet they lack the impulse control to refrain from acting on them.......this is why we see most violent acts committed by those who lacked structure or discipline growing up....those who were never taught there are consequences for their actions.....or those under the influence of narcotics, which lower inhibitions and effect impulse control.

    Boys are not "broken".......they are functioning just as nature intended.

    the nuclear family, that is responsible for introducing structure into boys......that is whats broken.

    That was pretty much my take away. Proper, regular, responsible, socialization.
     
    Boys are only broken as applied to the "modern" metric that they have been shackled by.
    Lack of discipline knows no boundaries concerning gender.
    Males are more noticeable as they apply their greater strength in wrong doings.
    The article is simply a search for virtue in the eyes of "modern" philosophies.
    Always a search for an ever increasing number of deflections from the true failure of parenting and current ideology.

    R
     
    What Are The Long-Term Effects of Heavy Adderall Use?
    People who abuse a great deal of Adderall over a long period of time may experience:
    • Sleep difficulties
    • Inability to concentrate
    • Lack of motivation
    • Depression
    • Irritability
    • Lethargy
    • Fatigue
    • Aggression
    • Thoughts of suicide
    • Mood swings
    • Paranoia
    • Hallucinations
    • Anxiety
    • Panic attacks
    • Heart disease
    • Weight loss
    • Headaches
    • Tremors
    • Constipation
    What are the possible side effects of antidepressants?
    Some antidepressants may cause more side effects than others. You may need to try several different antidepressant medications before finding the one that improves your symptoms and that causes side effects that you can manage.
    The most common side effects listed by the FDA include:
    • Nausea and vomiting
    • Weight gain
    • Diarrhea
    • Sleepiness
    • Sexual problems

    Hell, with the exception of the ones I underlined, those are also symptoms of being 55 or older... :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Of course the paranoia and hallucinations are the government causing them. I just borrowed one of Jerry's tinfoil hats to keep them at bay...
     
    Males are more noticeable as they apply their greater strength in wrong doings.


    R

    Thats not really accurate.

    Firearms have been called the "equalizer" in that they make a small guy as bad as a big one. Applied sideways, every woman I know is strong enough to load and shoot an AR 15 but I dont seem to recall any of them wading into a school.

    Thus, there must be more to it.
     
    Hell, with the exception of the ones I underlined, those are also symptoms of being 55 or older... :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Of course the paranoia and hallucinations are the government causing them. I just borrowed one of Jerry's tinfoil hats to keep them at bay...
    Thats funny.
     
    im assuming the presence of Testosterone is the reason most violent acts are committed by men......not really anything shocking there.

    for thousands and thousands of years, men needed to be aggressive to hunt and kill large animals for food, fight for mating rights, fight off rival tribes....you couldnt be a pussy and survive long.

    now a days, being aggressive isnt strictly necessary in our modern world.....we can buy food at the supermarket, women arent always drawn to the "strongest" mate, and we dont really have to worry about fighting off rival tribes......you can totally be a pussy and survive.

    yet, evolution doesnt act overnight.....men are still just as prone to aggression as they were several thousand years ago......

    now a healthy well adjusted person can control this aggression.....as much as we may want to bash someones head in for cutting us off in traffic, we know that is wrong and unnecessary......weve learned to control these violent impulses.

    now someone who is not healthy is going to have these same impulses......yet they lack the impulse control to refrain from acting on them.......this is why we see most violent acts committed by those who lacked structure or discipline growing up....those who were never taught there are consequences for their actions.....or those under the influence of narcotics, which lower inhibitions and effect impulse control.

    Boys are not "broken".......they are functioning just as nature intended.

    the nuclear family, that is responsible for introducing structure into boys......that is whats broken.
    Right on mcameron. Nicely written.
     
    Thats not really accurate.

    Firearms have been called the "equalizer" in that they make a small guy as bad as a big one. Applied sideways, every woman I know is strong enough to load and shoot an AR 15 but I dont seem to recall any of them wading into a school.

    Thus, there must be more to it.
    That would be true if boys could have weapons.
    I consider 18 and beyond to be held and called to the standard of a man.
    Hence the requirement of selective service sign up.
    Could the answer also be that young men/boys have a greater exposure to weapons?
    I would also add the previous comment was in regards to boys in general no this specific boy/man.


    R
     
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    That would be true if boys could have weapons.
    I consider 18 and beyond to be held and called to the standard of a man.
    Hence the requirement of selective service sign up.

    ^^I think we are at apples and oranges


    Could the answer also be that young men/boys have a greater exposure to weapons?

    ^^^
    Almost assurredly a factor.

    R
     
    “HOMICIDE, n. The slaying of one human being by another. There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable, and praiseworthy, but it makes no great difference to the person slain whether he fell by one kind or another -- the classification is for advantage of the lawyers.”

    - Ambrose Bierce, The Unabridged Devil's Dictionary

    I completely reject the article's argument at it's foundation. Violence cannot be characterized as bad. Some violence is called for, some is justifiable, and certainly some is praiseworthy.

    The author is a pussy who is trying to make sense of the world around him. What makes him a pussy is he is not willing to engage the but look at things by peeking from under the covers. Being a pussy is a bad thing in this context because it means avoiding things rather than understanding and overcoming. He seems to have consulted neither actual male juveniles (which in some cases could be dangerous) nor does he pay any attention to the historical record (which is going to be dangerous to both his faggy sensibilities and his political narrative). Making matters worse he offers no constructive avenues.

    Plato in about 348 BC observes that “the boy is, of all wild beasts, the most difficult to manage.” Succeeding generations over the course of millennia have not penned more rosy assessments. Jonathan Edwards, the eighteenth-century American preacher of divinity, finds children to be “infinitely more hateful than vipers.” In 1943 J. Edgar Hoover writes "This country is in deadly peril. We can win this war and still lose freedom for all in America. For a creeping rot of moral disintegration is eating into our nation. I am not easily shocked nor easily alarmed. But today, like thousands of others, I am both shocked and alarmed. The arrests of teenage boys and girls all over the country are staggering. Some of the crimes youngsters are committing are almost unspeakable. Prostitution, murder, rape. These are ugly words. But it is an ugly situation. If we are to correct it, we must face it."

    I wholeheartedly agree with that last sentence of Mr Hoover's. @mcameron suggests what I believe to be the most effective means of assessing the current state of affairs. Before we had our current generation of uber-violent youth we had had seen a rapid degeneration of the nuclear family over the course of barely three decades. Not coincidentally the most dreadful degeneration was and is amongst those demographics who act out the most antisocial violence.

    In 1900 Theodroe Roosevelt wrote for St. Nicholas magazine an essay, “The American Boy,” in which he says of his subject, “Of course what we have a right to expect of the American boy is that he shall turn out to be a good American man. Now, the chances are strong that he won’t be much of a man unless he is a good deal of a boy.” The yahoo article mentions violence learned on the athletic field (neatly lumped in with other forms of violence) and Teddy closes his passage with the same. They are two very different takes.

    The full text is below and can be found at http://www.foundationsmag.com/americanboy-com.html


    OF COURSE what we have a right to expect of the American boy is that he shall turn out to be a good American man. Now, the chances are strong that he won't be much of a man unless he is a good deal of a boy. He must not be a coward or a weakling, a bully, a shirk, or a prig. He must work hard and play hard. He must be clean-minded and clean-lived, and able to hold his own under all circumstances and against all comers. It is only on these conditions that he will grow into the kind of American man of whom America can be really proud.

    There are always in life countless tendencies for good and for evil, and each succeeding generation sees some of these tendencies strengthened and some weakened; nor is it by any means always, alas! that the tendencies for evil are weakened and those for good strengthened. But during the last few decades there certainly have been some notable changes for good in boy life. The great growth in the love of athletic sports, for instance, while fraught with danger if it becomes one-sided and unhealthy, has beyond all question had an excellent effect in increased manliness. Forty or fifty years ago the writer on American morals was sure to deplore the effeminacy and luxury of young Americans who were born of rich parents. The boy who was well off then, especially in the big Eastern cities, lived too luxuriously, took to billiards as his chief innocent recreation, and felt small shame in his inability to take part in rough pastimes and field-sports. Nowadays, whatever other faults the son of rich parents may tend to develop, he is at least forced by the opinion of all his associates of his own age to bear himself well in manly exercises and to develop his body—and therefore, to a certain extent, his character—in the rough sports which call for pluck, endurance, and physical address.

    Of course boys who live under such fortunate conditions that they have to do either a good deal of outdoor work or a good deal of what might be called natural outdoor play do not need this athletic development. In the Civil War the soldiers who came from the prairie and the backwoods and the rugged farms where stumps still dotted the clearings, and who had learned to ride in their infancy, to shoot as soon as they could handle a rifle, and to camp out whenever they got the chance, were better fitted for military work than any set of mere school or college athletes could possibly be. Moreover, to mis-estimate athletics is equally bad whether their importance is magnified or minimized. The Greeks were famous athletes, and as long as their athletic training had a normal place in their lives, it was a good thing. But it was a very bad thing when they kept up their athletic games while letting the stern qualities of soldiership and statesmanship sink into disuse. Some of the younger readers of this book will certainly sometime read the famous letters of the younger Pliny, a Roman who wrote, with what seems to us a curiously modern touch, in the first century of the present era. His correspondence with the Emperor Trajan is particularly interesting; and not the least noteworthy thing in it is the tone of contempt with which he speaks of the Greek athletic sports, treating them as the diversions of an unwarlike people which it was safe to encourage in order to keep the Greeks from turning into anything formidable. So at one time the Persian kings had to forbid polo, because soldiers neglected their proper duties for the fascinations of the game. We cannot expect the best work from soldiers who have carried to an unhealthy extreme the sports and pastimes which would be healthy if indulged in with moderation, and have neglected to learn as they should the business of their profession. A soldier needs to know how to shoot and take cover and shift for himself—not to box or play foot-ball.

    There is, of course, always the risk of thus mistaking means for ends. Fox-hunting is a first-class sport; but one of the most absurd things in real life is to note the bated breath with which certain excellent fox-hunters, otherwise of quite healthy minds, speak of this admirable but not over-important pastime. They tend to make it almost as much of a fetish as, in the last century, the French and German nobles made the chase of the stag, when they carried hunting and game-preserving to a point which was ruinous to the national life. Fox-hunting is very good as a pastime, but it is about as poor a business as can be followed by any man of intelligence. Certain writers about it are fond of quoting the anecdote of a fox-hunter who, in the days of the English civil war, was discovered pursuing his favorite sport just before a great battle between the Cavaliers and the Puritans, and right between their lines as they came together. These writers apparently consider it a merit in this man that when his country was in a death-grapple, instead of taking arms and hurrying to the defense of the cause he believed right, he should placidly have gone about his usual sports. Of course, in reality the chief serious use of fox-hunting is to encourage manliness and vigor, and to keep men hardy, so that at need they can show themselves fit to take part in work or strife for their native land. When a man so far confuses ends and means as to think that fox-hunting, or polo, or foot-ball, or whatever else the sport may be, is to be itself taken as the end, instead of as the mere means of preparation to do work that counts when the time arises, when the occasion calls—why, that manhad better abandon sport altogether.

    No boy can afford to neglect his work, and with a boy work, as a rule, means study. Of course there are occasionally brilliant successes in life where the man has been worthless as a student when a boy. To take these exceptions as examples would be as unsafe as it would be to advocate blindness because some blind men have won undying honor by triumphing over their physical infirmity and accomplishing great results in the world. I am no advocate of senseless and excessive cramming in studies, but a boy should work, and should work hard, at his lessons—in the first place, for the sake of what he will learn, and in the next place, for the sake of the effect upon his own character of resolutely settling down to learn it. Shiftlessness, slackness, indifference in studying, are almost certain to mean inability to get on in other walks of life. Of course, as a boy grows older it is a good thing if he can shape his studies in the direction toward which he has a natural bent; but whether he can do this or not, he must put his whole heart into them. I do not believe in mischief-doing in school hours, or in the kind of animal spirits that results in making bad scholars; and I believe that those boys who take part in rough, hard play outside of school will not find any need for horse-play in school. While they study they should study just as hard as they play foot-ball in a match game. It is wise to obey the homely old adage, "Work while you work; play while you play."

    A boy needs both physical and moral courage. Neither can take the place of the other. When boys become men they will find out that there are some soldiers very brave in the field who have proved timid and worthless as politicians, and some politicians who show an entire readiness to take chances and assume responsibilities in civil affairs, but who lack the fighting edge when opposed to physical danger. In each case, with soldiers and politicians alike, there is but half a virtue. The possession of the courage of the soldier does not excuse the lack of courage in the statesman and, even less does the possession of the courage of the statesman excuse shrinking on the field of battle. Now, this is all just as true of boys. A coward who will take a blow without returning it is a contemptible creature; but, after all, he is hardly as contemptible as the boy who dares not stand up for what he deems right against the sneers of his companions who are themselves wrong. Ridicule is one of the favorite weapons of wickedness, and it is sometimes incomprehensible how good and brave boys will be influenced for evil by the jeers of associates who have no one quality that calls for respect, but who affect to laugh at the very traits which ought to be peculiarly the cause for pride.

    There is no need to be a prig. There is no need for a boy to preach about his own good conduct and virtue. If he does he will make himself offensive and ridiculous. But there is urgent need that he should practise decency; that he should be clean and straight, honest and truthful, gentle and tender, as well as brave. If he can once get to a proper understanding of things, he will have a far more hearty contempt for the boy who has begun a course of feeble dissipation, or who is untruthful, or mean, or dishonest, or cruel, than this boy and his fellows can possibly, in return, feel for him. The very fact that the boy should be manly and able to hold his own, that he should be ashamed to submit to bullying without instant retaliation, should, in return, make him abhor any form of bullying, cruelty, or brutality.

    There are two delightful books, Thomas Hughes's "Tom Brown at Rugby," and Aldrich's "Story of a Bad Boy," which I hope every boy still reads; and I think American boys will always feel more in sympathy with Aldrich's story, because there is in it none of the fagging, and the bullying which goes with fagging, the account of which, and the acceptance of which, always puzzle an American admirer of Tom Brown.

    There is the same contrast between two stories of Kipling's. One, called "Captains Courageous," describes in the liveliest way just what a boy should be and do. The hero is painted in the beginning as the spoiled, over-indulged child of wealthy parents, of a type which we do sometimes unfortunately see, and than which there exist few things more objectionable on the face of the broad earth. This boy is afterward thrown on his own resources, amid wholesome surroundings, and is forced to work hard among boys and men who are real boys and real men doing real work. The effect is invaluable. On the other hand, if one wishes to find types of boys to be avoided with utter dislike, one will find them in another story by Kipling, called "Stalky & Co.," a story which ought never to have been written, for there is hardly a single form of meanness which it does not seem to extol, or of school mismanagement which it does not seem to applaud. Bullies do not make brave men; and boys or men of foul life cannot become good citizens, good Americans, until they change; and even after the change scars will be left on their souls.

    The boy can best become a good man by being a good boy—not a goody-goody boy, but just a plain good boy. I do not mean that he must love only the negative virtues; I mean he must love the positive virtues also. "Good," in the largest sense, should include whatever is fine, straightforward, clean, brave, and manly. The best boys I know—the best men I know—are good at their studies or their business, fearless and stalwart, hated and feared by all that is wicked and depraved, incapable of submitting to wrong-doing, and equally incapable of being aught but tender to the weak and helpless. A healthy-minded boy should feel hearty contempt for the coward, and even more hearty indignation for the boy who bullies girls or small boys, or tortures animals. One prime reason for abhorring cowards is because every good boy should have it in him to thrash the objectionable boy as the need arises.

    Of course the effect that a thoroughly manly, thoroughly straight and upright boy can have upon the companions of his own age, and upon those who are younger, is incalculable. If he is not thoroughly manly, then they will not respect him, and his good qualities will count for but little; while, of course, if he is mean, cruel, or wicked, then his physical strength and force of mind merely make him so much the more objectionable a member of society. He cannot do good work if he is not strong and does not try with his whole heart and soul to count in any contest; and his strength will be a curse to himself and to every one else if he does not have thorough command over himself and over his own evil passions, and if he does not use his strength on the side of decency, justice, and fair dealing.

    In short, in life, as in a foot-ball game, the principle to follow is:

    Hit the line hard; don't foul and don't shirk, but hit the line hard!
     
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    Thanks so much for posting that.
    My dad, although never that eloquent, tried in his own way to teach me those exact things. Reading TR's essay brings back so many memories of things my dad tried to instill in me. Not all of it stuck, but he did the best he could with a wild animal named Mike.
     
    Violence is a useful and valid tool . We are a social pack oriented animal and as such have a pecking order . As children we push physical and social boundries .
    One of the tools we have used for twenty thousand years to center and correct the deviations in our packs at home , school and social settings is violence . I am not refering to extreme bloody violence but measured , precise and effective violence .
    I firmly believe that the lack of enforcing pack standards and norms in school enviroments leads to the feral behavior we saw in Florida . Further more I believe that aggression and violence needs to be exercised and channeled . It needs appropriate time anf space . It needs the elders , fathers and mentors of the pack to direct the younger of the pack in its use and bounderies .
    I have a dear friend who for lack of a better more understandable description is Tibetan Buddhist . He is absolutely someone that serves as teacher to me often .
    Once in conversation I relayed my angst around my physical skillsand abilities . I liked them to being part eight hundred pound gorilla . It seems at times when challenged that this part of me is in the front row when I am processing an aggre$ive confrontation be it verbal or other . I relayed that it is challenging dealing with the eight hundred pound gorilla whilst trying to navigate a challenge .
    His reply was " and how beautiful a blessing to be an eight hundred pound gorilla " .
    He acknowledged times that I had steppedd in to protect people , protect my family and myself . Violence is a valid and important as any other skill or attribute .
    For everything there is a time and a place . To say that the tool of physical violence is no longer nescessary or valid in a world where we purchase food rather than hunt , vote and lobby as opposed to physical clashes between tribes is a faulty statement . Do to a lack of experience with physical violence there have beev contensions raised that younger law enforcement are ill equipped to discern appropriate levels of response to challenges . While suburbia and fly over country white Christian males are attacked for being violent bible thumpin knuckle draggers , the inner cities are left to fester . The only attempts at resolution to inner city violence is to throw money at failed leaders .
    In fact anyone who would deny themselves their rights to such tools sells themselves short . We are either ignoring or have a serious lack of elders .
     
    Violence is a useful and valid tool . We are a social pack oriented animal and as such have a pecking order . As children we push physical and social boundries .
    One of the tools we have used for twenty thousand years to center and correct the deviations in our packs at home , school and social settings is violence . I am not refering to extreme bloody violence but measured , precise and effective violence .
    I firmly believe that the lack of enforcing pack standards and norms in school enviroments leads to the feral behavior we saw in Florida . Further more I believe that aggression and violence needs to be exercised and channeled . It needs appropriate time anf space . It needs the elders , fathers and mentors of the pack to direct the younger of the pack in its use and bounderies .
    I have a dear friend who for lack of a better more understandable description is Tibetan Buddhist . He is absolutely someone that serves as teacher to me often .
    Once in conversation I relayed my angst around my physical skillsand abilities . I liked them to being part eight hundred pound gorilla . It seems at times when challenged that this part of me is in the front row when I am processing an aggre$ive confrontation be it verbal or other . I relayed that it is challenging dealing with the eight hundred pound gorilla whilst trying to navigate a challenge .
    His reply was " and how beautiful a blessing to be an eight hundred pound gorilla " .
    He acknowledged times that I had steppedd in to protect people , protect my family and myself . Violence is a valid and important as any other skill or attribute .
    For everything there is a time and a place . To say that the tool of physical violence is no longer nescessary or valid in a world where we purchase food rather than hunt , vote and lobby as opposed to physical clashes between tribes is a faulty statement . Do to a lack of experience with physical violence there have beev contensions raised that younger law enforcement are ill equipped to discern appropriate levels of response to challenges . While suburbia and fly over country white Christian males are attacked for being violent bible thumpin knuckle draggers , the inner cities are left to fester . The only attempts at resolution to inner city violence is to throw money at failed leaders .
    In fact anyone who would deny themselves their rights to such tools sells themselves short . We are either ignoring or have a serious lack of elders .

    I enjoyed your use of the pack idea. Im raising wolves and see that every day. Its hilarious to watch the little ones sort out Alpha. We are, theoretically, different from wolves and other animals in that we, some of us anyway, are self aware, having a freedom of choice other animals dont know. We choose violence, and given the proper intent, can learn to unchoose it. Where priorities lie?
     
    Both Crime and Punishment used to be clear. Now they are both murky. There is a saying that an armed society, is a polite society. Because people know if they commit a crime against a man with a gun, the punishment is swift. That is a learned behavior.
     
    I read an article recently, the crux of which was, boys are expected to behave as girls and when they fail to live up to those expectations they are labeled as trouble makers. This was in relation to the school system and was written by a parent of school age Boys. As a parent of 2 myself, I can echo the sentiment. Boys aren't wired to sit in a desk for 7-8 hours every day. They need an outlet. They need structure. Sports are great, but not for everyone. Music, art, theater, literature; all worthy persuits if the kid has a genuine interest.

    I don't believe in toxic masculinity, but think it is some sort of rational for "boys aren't girls."

    Recently, my dad told me- in no uncertain terms- that I needed to stop training in Brazilian jiu Jitsu before I get really hurt (I am coming off ACL surgery). I told him "I choke people so that I don't choke people." I really don't think he understood. It doesn't matter how bad the day was, it all melts away on the mat. My kids train bjj too. Smashing a kid is good for ego, but getting smashed is good for character. My older son does the adult class on Fridays and nothing boils him more than an adult that "goes light because he's a kid. Come on man! Can't we just roll?"
     
    . Boys aren't wired to sit in a desk for 7-8 hours every day. They need an outlet. They need structure.

    Sports are great, but not for everyone. Music, art, theater, literature; all worthy persuits if the kid has a genuine interest.

    I don't believe in toxic masculinity, but think it is some sort of rational for "boys aren't girls."

    /QUOTE]

    Well said. While having never dome it Im a great fan of the ballet. Its not so important 'WHERE' the energy is directed, but 'THAT IT IS DIRECTED'' to some positive goal and not left to become distructive. I see this in raising wolves...they need something to do or they become destructive.
     
    If we could raise our children to be gentleman and ladies our world would be way less fucked up.

    A gentleman doesn’t use the word nigger and a lady doesn’t harrass fellow students on social media after school until they commit suicide.

    The problem I think is that neither side of America’s spectrum, as an organized institution, wants to see the end of these behaviors.

    Especially since the optimal solution looks to be a two parent household with strong discipline, tight control over the children’s schooling, and some sort of fairly strong religious affiliation.
     
    If we could raise our children to be gentleman and ladies our world would be way less fucked up.

    A gentleman doesn’t use the word nigger and a lady doesn’t harrass fellow students on social media after school until they commit suicide.

    The problem I think is that neither side of America’s spectrum, as an organized institution, wants to see the end of these behaviors.

    Especially since the optimal solution looks to be a two parent household with strong discipline, tight control over the children’s schooling, and some sort of fairly strong religious affiliation.

    Valid though I think we can simplify.

    First and foemost thing everyone should learn is "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction." Its not just in physics but true in most if not all instances. Likewise..."You reap as you sow." Same ideaa, different approach.

    Start there and most else will fall into line in a natural order. dont teach that and ...look around.
     
    The problem with that approach is you no longer really reap what you sow - you get welfare and maybe a cushy stay in prison instead of hard labor.

    I feel that every high school freshmen should have to spend a night in jail, and we should have mandatory service and mandatory duty as a peace officer for every citizen....
     
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    Part of the problem is the new trend of Parenting BY Internet...social media and immature perspectives are toxic.
     
    The problem with that approach is you no longer really reap what you sow - you get welfare and maybe a cushy stay in prison instead of hard labor.
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    First you have to understand its a universal law/principle. You just dont see all the far reaching implications. And when is the last time you were in prison. There may be a couple cushy Federal resorts, but the average state or federal prison is a nightmare.

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    The gymnasium at San Quentin State Prison, shown in this June 14, 2007, photo, was filled with nearly 400 double-bunked inmates because of crowded conditions.

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    "Gas lighting" huh? Been almost an entire year since I last heard of that term.

    There's no nice way to say it. Kids nowadays are fucking pussies. They cry and break down over the stupidest shit! When I was a kid if you got bullied you either took it or you fought back. Nowadays kids are so fucking sensitive that they feel the need to go after everyone just because they got their feelings hurt.
     
    I have worked in 3 prisons - a private prison that was for-profit overflow, and two federals.

    Going to prison in the US is downright cushy compared to living as a free person in much of Africa.

    Even regardless of my view on prison, America’s criminal element treats prison the same way normal folks treat college...

    First you have to understand its a universal law/principle. You just dont see all the far reaching implications. And when is the last time you were in prison. There may be a couple cushy Federal resorts, but the average state or federal prison is a nightmare.

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    The gymnasium at San Quentin State Prison, shown in this June 14, 2007, photo, was filled with nearly 400 double-bunked inmates because of crowded conditions.

    Eric Risberg/AP