I like both reticles but have never shot behind either one. I can get both for around same price. What is the consensus around here between the two. TIA.
the XRS2 is being replaced/discontinued.
I was in your shoes. Went with Bushy because it had been out longer/appeared more proven. The deal GA Precision had with the Kestrel and the scope was too good to pass up for me.I like both reticles but have never shot behind either one. I can get both for around same price. What is the consensus around here between the two. TIA.
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Or the SCR in the Burris and G3 or Tremor3 in the Bushnell.scr2 vs H59.
Speaking of XTR3 illumination. Any news on that coming soon ?
^How fine is the SCR2 at different magnifications? Can you compare to some others in the normal consideration set? And finally an apples to oranges comparo... is it as fine as the S&B LRR?
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the S&B reticle.
The SCR2 is a thinner competition oriented reticle. I find it useable down all magnification ranges. But the grid itself is too fine to use below about 8x. For me, at magnifications below 8x, I dont need a grid anyway. I just need a crosshair.
It's been awhile. Any updates on illumination ?2021 was the last update. I thought we would see it at Shot, but of course its been canceled.
I actually need to chat with the guys in Greeley next week. I'll see if I can get an update.
So any new info on illuminated reticle and is there a hide vendor that I can purchase one of these from? illum is not a deal breaker but if its coming out tomorrow......2021 was the last update. I thought we would see it at Shot, but of course its been canceled.
I actually need to chat with the guys in Greeley next week. I'll see if I can get an update.
I’ve only had the LRR-Mil in the Schmidt 5-45. I’ve had the SCR2 in both the 3.3-18 and 5.5-30 and I can say I like the SCR2 in the 5.5-30, it seems “thicker” and more usable even at lower mags. Compared to the LRR-Mil in the 5-45, the SCR2 in the 5.5-30 is “better” because it’s thicker and easier to pick up in low light and/or high contrast situations, keep in mind this is personal preference and based on my observations.^How fine is the SCR2 at different magnifications? Can you compare to some others in the normal consideration set? And finally an apples to oranges comparo... is it as fine as the S&B LRR?
Check with Scott at Liberty OpticsIs there a hide vendor selling the 5.5-30 xtr3?
I have been eyeballing the PR2 Mark 5 as im looking for a mid priced optic, the only thing that worries me is will the Leupold hold up and track... I have read in different places of Leopold tracking issues in the past, not so sure about the Mark 5. It almost makes me wanna get another one of the porker Razor gen 2's because I just feel like I can trust them more as I've owned them in the past... Also have some interest in the XTR III 30X.I agree with Bill on the illumination. They REALLY need to get it to market.
And I have to add, I shot a regional club match yesterday with 55 guys in attendance and plunked my 30x XTR3 down next to some Luepy MK5 guys (they asked, not me) to say they were surprised at the comparison is putting it mildly. I think I sold a scope or two yesterday.![]()
I agree with Bill on the illumination. They REALLY need to get it to market.
And I have to add, I shot a regional club match yesterday with 55 guys in attendance and plunked my 30x XTR3 down next to some Luepy MK5 guys (they asked, not me) to say they were surprised at the comparison is putting it mildly. I think I sold a scope or two yesterday.![]()
Your comments also pushed me over the line to buy one last year... but I jumped at the non-illuminated version in order to get the thinner reticle. That was a major differentiating characteristic / selling point for me.
Do you know how much crossover there is with Burris and Steiner? Can you compare the M7xi to the XTR3? I really like the MSR2 reticle...
I'm hanging out for the thicker SCR2 reticle for competition purposes.Burris has always taken the position that the first release XTR3 is the competition version. Thus the thin SCR2 reticle, which I will admit, performs exactly as intended for competitive use. I also really like the thin SCR2. Its perfect for my usage, but I get it that the vast majority of scope buyers want a more "do it all" type reticle. So the thicker illuminated version can't get here soon enough..
I'm hanging out for the thicker SCR2 reticle for competition purposes.
Based on the few reviews that are out there I don't see why the reticle is so thin in the 3.3-18 model, when you are limited to 18x magnification having a super thin reticle the same as the 5.5-30 seems crazy to me.
I know Burris isn't the only company that does this but I see no good reason why it's become the norm and can see lots of good reasons to make the reticle thicker in the lower magnification models. It makes it feel like the lower mag models are an after thought.
I just looked at the line thickness... it's .02 mil thick? I can see a lot of people holding out for the thicker illuminated version if that's the case.
Is there any information about the line thickness of the new illuminated scopes? The MSR 2 .04 line thickness is perfect in my opinion.
The last time I discussed this with someone in Greeley, it looked like they were going to use the same line thickness as the SCR. Which is .035 in the 30x, .05 in the 18x, so its optimized.
That reticle takes illumination well, and for the life of me, I can't recall ever hearing anyone complain about it. So no point in reinventing the wheel. All my hunting scopes have the SCR, and its pretty much ideal.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, the illuminated prototypes have been out and getting bounced around for while. I have spoken to two people who have gotten to play with it, and they're pretty excited with how it turned out. I'm pretty sure all that needs to happen now is they just need to start producing them.
I'm sure my opinion holds very little weight to the folks in Greeley, but those line thickness sound perfect (more or less).The last time I discussed this with someone in Greeley, it looked like they were going to use the same line thickness as the SCR. Which is .035 in the 30x, .05 in the 18x, so its optimized.
Which NX8 did you return? -20 or -32?Just looking through the Mark 5 pr2 for the first time side by side w/ XTR3 30 and Trij/Delta 5-50. Up to 3700 yards in sun, haze, medium mirage. IQ really close between Trij and Mk5, with edge to Mk5 in these conditions. Trij with less contrast but neither with better resolution. Mirage they tie, both cut through really well. XTR3 trails behind both scopes in resolution and mirage, but has the big FOV, which can be perceived as IQ on first glance. Compared to the NX8 I returned, all 3 are at least a step above. Mark 5 is also only 30 oz, so a legitimate competitor to the NX8 in weight, but blowing it away in IQ dept. Will post more as impressions develop / and certainly if they change.
Sorry I have to change this for apples:apples - was looking at XTR3 and Trij at 30X with Mark5 @ 25X
With all 3 at 25X, resolution XTR3=Mk5 and Trij a bit ahead of both, but the contrast of the Mk5 still a bit better than Trij, image less washed out...
Which NX8 did you return? -20 or -32?
I have to somewhat agree, anything above $1000 has glass that is more than capable for what most people use their rifles for.From everything I've tried, they're all splitting hairs with IQ, from the Chinese Ares ETR to the Razor G2 and XTR3 and every LOW scope I've looked through. I said screw it and ordered a ZCO to finally see the light![]()
Do you see the possibility of Burris creating a tactical hunter reticle with the same theme as the Bushnell G2H? Throw that into a 3.3-18 XTR3 with illumination & it would sell like hotcakes. This combination would have very few competitors. It's almost a sure bet.I had a good conversation with the Burris brand sales manager today. I was actually trying to get my hands on one of the prototypes to play with it. But these aren't apparently a full scope in the manner that they prototyped the XTR3 when it was under development. These are more basic just to test the illumination and switch.
But I did find out the goal is to have the illuminated versions on the market this summer. I'm sure they want them out before hunting season. The official thickness of the new reticle is, and I quote," its a smidge thicker "
And I got on the list to get one out of the first batch release. So I'll be able to drop a teaser here as they are hitting the market.
And I have to agree with the glass assessment above. Ive compared the XTR3 to everything I can get my hands on in its price point. I know a shooter who thinks the MK5 is better in every way except FOV, and I have another friend who sold both his MK5s for XTR3s and likes them much better. Ive seen it go both ways with multiple brands. The are so close on so many ocassions that glass simply isn't the tipping point. Reticle, FOV, DOF, parallax, eyebox, turrets, etc, all seem to be the features that will create separation from the other brands. The added caveat of a few of the brands being built in the US should carry some weight as well.
Do you see the possibility of Burris creating a tactical hunter reticle with the same theme as the Bushnell G2H? Throw that into a 3.3-18 XTR3 with illumination & it would sell like hotcakes. This combination would have very few competitors. It's almost a sure bet.
I agree, ZCO is that goodJust to update, I received the ZCO 527 mpct3 and have looked through it side by side at different ranges and light conditions for the last couple of days, from 100-3700 yards. Wow. If the difference between the NX8 and XTR3 is 10 pts, then XTR3 to ZCO is 25 pts. Is it 2 XTR3's? That's like asking if a Ferrari is worth 2 Vettes. Yes, but do you need all that? I certainly don't, but I definitely like it. Still questioning whether to keep it or offload to one of you guys and buy another XTR3.
Been saying that for a couple years now, started to be the norm, sounds like it’ll always be “next year”. It’s too bad, they are great scopes but lack of illumination really hinders their appeal to certain shooters.@Chickentoast I messaged Burris on their Facebook page last week asking when the illuminated model of the XTR3 would be and they replied saying it would be available next year and to stay tuned. I kinda feel really let down as some of the in the know guys here on the Hide expected it this summer. In Burris’s defense there doesn’t seem to be any real movement with any scope companies of late.