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CNC Annealer (Now with case feed)

kombayotch

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I was going to make an annealing machine on my CNC mill, but then I thought: why not just make the mill into an annealing machine with a simple fixture. It makes it so much easier to adjust timing and such, all you need to do is change a value in the G-Code, and it's precise to the millisecond. So, now I have the CNC annealer up and running... its rough, there is some chatter in the forward direction. It's because the guide pins are both close to the front. Easy to fix. I'm going to add a case feeder at some point.

Video here:


A dedicated CNC machine would actually be pretty cheap to set-up. The stepper motor can be bought for under $50, as can the motor driver board. The control software is free (Mach 2). All you need to run it is an old PC that has a parallel port (plenty on e-bay) and a power supply. The mechanical parts can easily be made with hand tools.

Tempilaq works well for setting things up. However, as a means of process control, I have come to the following conclusions:

1) Painting the outside of the case gives a false indication, it isn't the temperature of the metal, but of the flame. This stuff should be used on the inside of the neck.

2) I don't see the need for painting 450F or 650F on the body with these machines. The danger of overheating the body is very low since the exposure time is short and controlled. Killing the brass in the neck is where the concern lies.

3) If you want to bracket a temperature, you need two points: "hot enough" and "too hot". The proper way to set up the process is to use one paint that melts at the lowest you want (750F), and one paint that melts just above the highest temperature you want (850F). I'm thinking 875F or 900F. Things should be adjusted so that the low one melts and the high one doesn't at all. I got it so that the 750F melts completely, and the 850F either doesn't melt at all or just a tiny bit at the case mouth does.

The cheapo torches are garbage. These things only have a valve (no regulator) and the pencil flame is not ideal. The Benz-O-Matic JT539 has an actual regulator (keeps the flame consistent as the tank gets lower) and the swirl flame gives better heat distribution.

I have the predecessor to the JT539, the JHT-7. It was the same torch and regulator, but with a hose in between them. It is discontinued, but a lot of places still have stock. The 4' hose is nice. Also, Home Depot has the hoses to convert these torches to BBQ tank for only $16.xx. I need to find a splitter though to connect them both to the same tank.


<span style="font-weight: bold">Update:</span>

Completed a simple case feeder tonight:



Got the JT539 torches on order along with a Y fitting to feed them off of a bar-b-q tank.
 
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Awesome!

Regarding the tempilaq, I have both a 450 and a 700 degree paste from memory.

I find it difficult to notice changes inside the neck, i guess due to lighting and much prefer to use 450 about 1/3" down from the shoulder.

If you go with the paste on the outside it really depends on where you angle the flame tip to. If i angle it toward the neck only I can put paste about 1/4" below the shoulder but I prefer to go a little lower than that with the paste, and aim the flame at the neck/shoulder junction.
 
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That is super quick. The two torches must make a hell of difference. It is taking me 8 to 10 seconds per case with one torch, spinning the case in a drill, in the dark.
 
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The video was just to show the functionality. The test brass shown in it has been fried so many times, it looks like burned copper.

It does only take about 2 seconds though, with the two torches to melt 850F Tempilaq on the inside of the neck.
 
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Pretty slick deal.
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Although could someone explain the benefit of the annealing to this knuckle dragger please? Makes the neck harder?
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Also do you just go till you see the paste is melted or is a count sort of thing. (not that i'm gonna go build one just curious) Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghogs Nightmare</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty slick deal.
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Although could someone explain the benefit of the annealing to this knuckle dragger please? Makes the neck harder?
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</div></div>Makes the neck softer to avoid split necks and tension issues.
 
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Nice idea. Brings the possibility of making an inexpensive but consistent annealer into play for occasional shooters like me. I'm picturing something with a simple timer (a la 555) and limit switches to work as a standalone...

John
 
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Limit switches aren't really required with the controller, and its the computer control that gives you the repeatability in changing getting back to previous ones accurately. Maybe not an issue if you're only doing the same brand, same lot and same caliber...
 
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Ghogs,Working the brass makes it harder,as in shooting it and sizing it.Some shooters believe that neck tension varies as it hardens.It also fails,as it hardens,as in neck splits.Annealing is a heat treatment process that softens the brass.Pete