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Coin shortage, my ass.

If I leave American cash on a American counter for purchase of American things, I’m not gonna loose any sleep. The day I can’t buy things without plastic is the day I start shopping with my surplus brass and lead assemblies.
 
Nope. All bills say legal tender for any debts, public or private.. we are talking about American businesses that charge tax right? Cause only your black market drug dealer has the right to specify payment.
You do not understand what that means. It does not mean that the owner of a product or service has to trade it to you for that worthless paper. Btw, a debt is not a purchase.
 
If I leave American cash on a American counter for purchase of American things, I’m not gonna loose any sleep. The day I can’t buy things without plastic is the day I start shopping with my surplus brass and lead assemblies.
So you will become a thief. What about ownership do you not understand? It is up to the seller to state what they want in trade for their goods. Paper money is just a token of value to be traded between willing participants.
 
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No. A business in America does not have the right to deny American cash.
A individual is a totally different subject.
I have gold, silver, lead, and other options and will get by fine when worthless paper is actually worthless... however in that time I seriously doubt plastic will hold any value over money..
oh and it’s actually a textile, not paper
 
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Ultimately it will be up to a judge to decide, not you. I don’t appreciate you calling me a thief though. The prices are based on the American dollar system are they not?
We are on the same side and we should act like it.
 
I smell libtards.

It says on the money
In God we trust.

Lets all protest and riot we could get t-shirts that say cash matters.

Maybe the wife doesn't need to know how much my powder cost.
 
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No. A business in America does not have the right to deny American cash.
A individual is a totally different subject.
I have gold, silver, lead, and other options and will get by fine when worthless paper is actually worthless... however in that time I seriously doubt plastic will hold any value over money..
oh and it’s actually a textile, not paper

Yes, they do.

Money is printed on textile paper.

 
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No. A business in America does not have the right to deny American cash.

Wrong. NOBODY has to sell you ANYTHING if they don't want to accept your cash.

IF you OWE someone money, a debt, then they MUST accept your cash as payment.

"This Note is Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private"


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If I'm selling something, I can request anything I want as payment, as long as it's legal to possess, and do not have to accept any other type of payment that does not satisfy my needs.
 
I'm having no issues obtaining coins from my bank. I also do not require large sums of change. Generally several rolls of quarters and maybe various other denominations as needed.

They "tubed" one roll at a time when they sent me to the non window drive thru.

I'm guessing many business' are just too lazy to get the change from the bank due to long lines and a lack of willingness to go to the bank. If they only take electronic payments, they have no need to go to the bank to make a deposit, so why go get change?
 
Wrong. NOBODY has to sell you ANYTHING if they don't want to accept your cash.

IF you OWE someone money, a debt, then they MUST accept your cash as payment.

"This Note is Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private"


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If I'm selling something, I can request anything I want as payment, as long as it's legal to possess, and do not have to accept any other type of payment that does not satisfy my needs.

So you walk into a store you grab the items that you want you walk out when you're about a foot from the door hold up a handful of cash if they accept it the debt is paid, if not accepted the debt is forgiven.
 
I was in town today gathering supplies for an upcoming trip, and 3 of the 4 stores that I went to had signs saying that they were not taking cash due to a national coin shortage. The only store that would take cash was the liquor store, so that's the only place I spent any money. Anyone else smell a rat?
First I've heard of this.... strange. 'National' but not locally. Lol
 
Ultimately it will be up to a judge to decide, not you. I don’t appreciate you calling me a thief though. The prices are based on the American dollar system are they not?
We are on the same side and we should act like it.
You were the one saying you would force a merchant to give you their items for your worthless paper script at the point of a gun. "money" is just one means of trade, not the only one. It was developed to facilitate trade between people who did not have items they wanted to TRADE each other. There are several merchants I am aware of that take bitcoin instead of cash or cards
 
Not that I would defend any of those people but 40 years ago or so the federal age of consent was 14, USMCJ.

Generally Europe's was 14.

I don't know about the islands.

Being from Texas it was 17.

When I was in Europe occasionally a parent would tell me thier daughter was 14.

Being a respectable type (to some extent) I took that as a hands off warning instead of a thumbs up.
 
Not that I would defend any of those people but 40 years ago or so the federal age of consent was 14, USMCJ.

Generally Europe's was 14.

I don't know about the islands.

Being from Texas it was 17.

When I was in Europe occasionally a parent would tell me thier daughter was 14.

Being a respectable type (to some extent) I took that as a hands off warning instead of a thumbs up.

A lot of Europe has now standardized at 16
 
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You were the one saying you would force a merchant to give you their items for your worthless paper script at the point of a gun. "money" is just one means of trade, not the only one. It was developed to facilitate trade between people who did not have items they wanted to TRADE each other. There are several merchants I am aware of that take bitcoin instead of cash or cards
Wrong. NOBODY has to sell you ANYTHING if they don't want to accept your cash.

IF you OWE someone money, a debt, then they MUST accept your cash as payment.

"This Note is Legal Tender for All Debts, Public and Private"


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If I'm selling something, I can request anything I want as payment, as long as it's legal to possess, and do not have to accept any other type of payment that does not satisfy my needs.
Slow down, take a breath.
I never said anything about holding a merchant at gunpoint.
After some reflection I can admit you are right. I thought back to the last hurricane I went through where some places only took cash and some only credit. I have done lots of trading and bartering myself and find it silly that I entered into a debate over such a simple thing.
 
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I don't think so been 17 since the 1970's.
In Texas.
 
So you walk into a store you grab the items that you want you walk out when you're about a foot from the door hold up a handful of cash if they accept it the debt is paid, if not accepted the debt is forgiven.

That's called theft. The items are placed out in good faith and for your convenience. Not for you to take and leave with.

When you enter a private business you accept their terms of how to do business. Assuming they are following all consumer, local, and Federal laws concerning the selling of goods. Which there are very few unless you happen to be in a highly regulated industry like guns sales. Ammo, BTW, has few to no restrictions. If you don't like it, leave. And if the business owner doesn't like it, he can tell you to leave.

I think you're having a really difficult time differentiating between PRIVATELY owned business' and .gov services.
 
And I think in Texas with parental consent the ages 14 or 15
You are mixing up the old marriage law with age of consent. Age of consent has been 16 for ages, the old marriage law allowed getting married at 14 - 16 with parent consent and there was no minimum with judge consent. Now, age of consent ( to have sex) is 17, married 18 unless a judge gives permission for a 16 - 17 year old to marry. none under 16
 
So you walk into a store you grab the items that you want you walk out when you're about a foot from the door hold up a handful of cash if they accept it the debt is paid, if not accepted the debt is forgiven.
Dont whine when you get a bullet in the back for theft in Texas. A debt has a contract that both party's have to consent to entering.
 
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There have actually been several attempts here in the US in the last two years to "force" cashless payment. NY City barely turned down a resolution to allow "ONLY" plastic for all transactions. Couple of cities on the Left Coast tried that too and were shot down. The proffered resolution missed in NYC because there was too much resistance from the areas of high undocumented immigrant residents who "prefer" to pay cash. No, actually all the rich denizens of that urban hellhole are paying these illegals under the table in cash. But yeah the gov's tracking everything and has been for years. I don't have or need tin foil. My eyes were opened pretty wide during a job interview a the Federal Reserve. I've actually lost a debit/bank card from a company that warned me about gun purchases. Closed the account and moved all my business from them and told everyone I knew out there at the time about it. It is what it is and is coming, same as the marxist/socialist/communist crap happening before our eyes and there's not a damn thing we can do about it....just marking time until whatever happens next

The only benefit to a cashless society is preventing illegals from being able to operate in the shadows of our society for decades. I agree it’s the people benefitting from the cheap labor who would fight the change. It could also make the illegal drug trade and other illegal activities more arduous, but that becomes a slippery slope if they decide what we like to do is unpopular.
 
The only benefit to a cashless society is preventing illegals from being able to operate in the shadows of our society for decades. I agree it’s the people benefitting from the cheap labor who would fight the change. It could also make the illegal drug trade and other illegal activities more arduous, but that becomes a slippery slope if they decide what we like to do is unpopular.

In the shadows :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL: They have been collecting welfare for decades, not too fuckin sneaky.
 
In the shadows :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL: They have been collecting welfare for decades, not too fuckin sneaky.

Also they don't seem to have any problem using Western Union to electronically send all that money back to Mexico...

But hey it's a good excuse to get the law abiding folks to give up their rights and live under total state control right?
 
ITs really sad how much less it costs to send money to Mexico, China, or another foreign country than inside the United States.
 
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That's called theft. The items are placed out in good faith and for your convenience. Not for you to take and leave with.

When you enter a private business you accept their terms of how to do business. Assuming they are following all consumer, local, and Federal laws concerning the selling of goods. Which there are very few unless you happen to be in a highly regulated industry like guns sales. Ammo, BTW, has few to no restrictions. If you don't like it, leave. And if the business owner doesn't like it, he can tell you to leave.

I think you're having a really difficult time differentiating between PRIVATELY owned business' and .gov services.

It's only theft if there's no intent to pay...I've dealt with the police directly on this stuff. And guess what, if I attempted to pay and they refused to accept it I can keep it and if somebody tries to detain me... They go to jail.
 
My concern with cards is the data mining. Not necessarily from the govt. Your cc company sees that you bought 4 twelve packs of beer this month, assumes you are stressed about something, and boom; your credit score just went down. Now your insurance rates just went up. The level of manipulation is probably way more intrusive than we know. Ever had a problem with a govt. agency? How reasonable were they? Imagine if they could disappear all your money.
 
It's only theft if there's no intent to pay...I've dealt with the police directly on this stuff. And guess what, if I attempted to pay and they refused to accept it I can keep it and if somebody tries to detain me... They go to jail.
BS . it is theft and if you tried that BS here, you would get a bullet for your trouble. You do not get to choose how to trade, the owner of the goods sets the terms. If you dont like it, hit the road. Your attitude is not that of a Freedom Loving American since you want to force your views on others.
 
I don't know about any CENTS shortage, but there's a tremendous SENSE shortage in the US today.

Many people have more DOLLARS than SENSE.....
 
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Cashless society allows the elite:
- tax every transaction, which could not be done if we exchange cash
- take a fee from every transaction
- impose negative interest rates. You can lose 10% and you cannot do anything
- no more bank runs.
- seize accounts
- can kill several types of businesses like gun shops if they cut their access to banking system
- they can easily track everything you buy, including how much ammo
 
BS . it is theft and if you tried that BS here, you would get a bullet for your trouble. You do not get to choose how to trade, the owner of the goods sets the terms. If you dont like it, hit the road. Your attitude is not that of a Freedom Loving American since you want to force your views on others.

You may not like what I said but that's just how it is. Many a shop owners/ workers have gone to jail for assault and battery or illegal detention.

Those that don't like legal tender can pack their shit and leave and go somewhere else
 
Coworker went to a shop with cash in pocket to buy two SUPs.

$2K in product on counter and seller was going to CV-19 refuse his cash.

Coworker should have walked but there was no other local option to buy from.

Coworker noted can of Lysol behind elaborate plexiglass bastion seller was in and asked if he could Lysol his cash down and make the sale.

That was acceptable.

Crazy! Who lets $2K walk over a hoax?
 
It's only theft if there's no intent to pay...I've dealt with the police directly on this stuff. And guess what, if I attempted to pay and they refused to accept it I can keep it and if somebody tries to detain me... They go to jail.
You may not like what I said but that's just how it is. Many a shop owners/ workers have gone to jail for assault and battery or illegal detention.

Those that don't like legal tender can pack their shit and leave and go somewhere else

You're so full of shit, your eyes are brown.
 
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You may not like what I said but that's just how it is. Many a shop owners/ workers have gone to jail for assault and battery or illegal detention.

Those that don't like legal tender can pack their shit and leave and go somewhere else
Prove it . Post up the docket number and case .

No one has to sell you anything. They can simply tell you to GTFO of their store and if you fail to immediately leave, you go to jail for trespass.

I know some stores that only take bitcoin, dont have bitcoin, go somewhere else.
 
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You sound kind of butthurt.

Docket numbers exist when an actual case is going to go to trial. When the police show up and start loading people in the back of the car... stories change and so do people's attitudes.

Give an example... Store I worked at, manager almost went to jail. Called in on a theft oh, but the guy dropped 20 bucks on the ground. Cop...So let me get this straight he didn't steal it he just paid less than you want" so then you falsely reported a crime and illegally detained the customer is that your story?

One where I was directly involved in... Theft by check, fake driver's license... dude hit my manager... Threw something at him, don't remember I intervened by stopping a guy from leaving... I was told to let him go that we could not hold him. When the sheriff showed up I was instructed from them the same.

Another one I could have gone to jail on... Getting a customer out of the store. Guy was being belligerent, disruptive, was told to leave. After the third time... I made him leave, physically. Police showed up, if I didn't know what to say I would have gone to jail.

Happens all the time, doesn't matter if you like it or not. And in these times it's much much worse. Just look at the people who defended their property and having their weapons taken from them.
 
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So you would be a thief. It is up to the seller as to what form of payment they will accept in trade. Don’t like it , too bad.

It actually depends on state and local laws, so depending on where I am, your too bad statement applies to the seller in other places it applies to me. If you are a B&M store and you do not accept cash, your loss. I use cash a lot, I have NEVER had anyone not accept it. Credit cards on the other hand, I have problems with regularly (and it ain't because of my credit score or credit limits)
 
You sound kind of butthurt.

Docket numbers exist when an actual case is going to go to trial. When the police show up and start loading people in the back of the car... stories change and so do people's attitudes.

Give an example... Store I worked at, manager almost went to jail. Called in on a theft oh, but the guy dropped 20 bucks on the ground. Cop...So let me get this straight he didn't steal it he just paid less than you want" so then you falsely reported a crime and illegally detained the customer is that your story?

One where I was directly involved in... Theft by check, fake driver's license... dude hit my manager... Threw something at him, don't remember I intervened by stopping a guy from leaving... I was told to let him go that we could not hold him. When the sheriff showed up I was instructed from them the same.

Another one I could have gone to jail on... Getting a customer out of the store. Guy was being belligerent, disruptive, was told to leave. After the third time... I made him leave, physically. Police showed up, if I didn't know what to say I would have gone to jail.

Happens all the time, doesn't matter if you like it or not. And in these times it's much much worse. Just look at the people who defended their property and having their weapons taken from them.
BS, theft is theft. You said you know lots of shop owners who went to jail so post up this cases.
Paying less than what the storekeeper demands is theft. Bouncers and private security can hold a shoplifter or eject them out of a store. This I personally know since I have been both a bouncer and private security.
 
It actually depends on state and local laws, so depending on where I am, your too bad statement applies to the seller in other places it applies to me. If you are a B&M store and you do not accept cash, your loss. I use cash a lot, I have NEVER had anyone not accept it. Credit cards on the other hand, I have problems with regularly (and it ain't because of my credit score or credit limits)
Does not mean you can just walk out with a stores goods.
 
Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?
Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law which says otherwise.

Only Mass. has a state law that merchants must accept cash. Philly is trying to pass an ordinance. Really is sad that supposed liberty loving members would want to force others to enter into a contract they did not desire.
 
Your information is out of date, more than just Mass require business's to take cash, keep google'ing, laws below the state level apply too. Once you have googled the laws in every city in America, you might have a start.

There is no law that says I must have a credit card.
There is no law that says I must be able to read ENGLISH.

I go into a cashless store, can't read the sign, go to pay in cash for my purchase and am told they do not take cash
and I say well I don't have a credit card and I can't read your sign, but HERE IS CASH FOR MY PURCHASE

What is going to happen? What is going to happen even if the police are called? I am NOT going to be arrested for theft, I promise you that. No theft is taking place. I am willing to give cash value for what the merchant is charging for their product. The merchant has not incurred any damage or loss.

To avoid any more stupid posts, lets assume I am buying a soda and opened it up and took a sip before I got to the cash register. I have more cash in hand than the soda is worth

There are plenty of real police that post here, what exactly am I going to be charged with?

If I am arrested under some bogus change and this goes to court, I will hand over the cash to the merchant and/or court official right them and there in the courtroom. I am sure the judge will say, settled lol
 
Your information is out of date, more than just Mass require business's to take cash, keep google'ing, laws below the state level apply too. Once you have googled the laws in every city in America, you might have a start.

There is no law that says I must have a credit card.
There is no law that says I must be able to read ENGLISH.

I go into a cashless store, can't read the sign, go to pay in cash for my purchase and am told they do not take cash
and I say well I don't have a credit card and I can't read your sign, but HERE IS CASH FOR MY PURCHASE

What is going to happen? What is going to happen even if the police are called? I am NOT going to be arrested for theft, I promise you that. No theft is taking place. I am willing to give cash value for what the merchant is charging for their product. The merchant has not incurred any damage or loss.

To avoid any more stupid posts, lets assume I am buying a soda and opened it up and took a sip before I got to the cash register. I have more cash in hand than the soda is worth

There are plenty of real police that post here, what exactly am I going to be charged with?

If I am arrested under some bogus change and this goes to court, I will hand over the cash to the merchant and/or court official right them and there in the courtroom. I am sure the judge will say, settled lol
You actually committed theft by consuming the beverage before paying for it. It takes a sense of self entitlement to demand that someone bend to your terms concerning their goods . You feel the same way if I came into your store and demanded to use my Amex card if you did not have a merchant agreement to accept Amex. I will just tell you to take it or suck it as I walk out the door with a $5,000 rifle.
 
From petty theft to federal offence.

I'm figuring popo lets the soda guzzler walk, not that it's ok it's just not worth the trouble.

A felony firearms charge is gona get them to prosecute.
 
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