copper fouling
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Re: copper fouling
You might also consider that if this is a factory barrel, the bore finish leaves much to be desired. A few years ago I started using Tubbs fire-lapping system on my barrels. Some, it has actually improved the accuracy, but mostly they shoot well longer and clean up much easier. I would recommend it on all factory barrels.
You might also consider that if this is a factory barrel, the bore finish leaves much to be desired. A few years ago I started using Tubbs fire-lapping system on my barrels. Some, it has actually improved the accuracy, but mostly they shoot well longer and clean up much easier. I would recommend it on all factory barrels.
Re: copper fouling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: muddyhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why does my pss in .308 foul after 20-30 rounds? </div></div>
My Remmington Barrel did the same. It gets better after 100 rounds, better still at 200 rounds, and by 600 rounds it hardly picks up any copper.
Last weekend I did 50 rounds, and the rifle cleaned up with only 6 patches. Mop the bore with Hoppes #9. Leave it for 3-5 hours. Push a patch. Mop the bore. Wait overnight. Push a patch. Mop the bore, wait til lunch. Push 2 patches--done cleaning--push an oiled patch.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: muddyhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why does my pss in .308 foul after 20-30 rounds? </div></div>
My Remmington Barrel did the same. It gets better after 100 rounds, better still at 200 rounds, and by 600 rounds it hardly picks up any copper.
Last weekend I did 50 rounds, and the rifle cleaned up with only 6 patches. Mop the bore with Hoppes #9. Leave it for 3-5 hours. Push a patch. Mop the bore. Wait overnight. Push a patch. Mop the bore, wait til lunch. Push 2 patches--done cleaning--push an oiled patch.
Re: copper fouling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: muddyhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why does my pss in .308 foul after 20-30 rounds? i am shooting hornady TAP in 168 if that helps any. </div></div>
Same question as 427Cobra. Do you loose accuracy? If not, don't worry about it. Keep shooting it until you see your accuracy sour. My Kreiger 1:8.5 in 6.5x47 Lapua has 900+ rounds down the tube; last 700+ without cleaning. Still shooting .2 to .75 MOA, all day, every day!
Alan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: muddyhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why does my pss in .308 foul after 20-30 rounds? i am shooting hornady TAP in 168 if that helps any. </div></div>
Same question as 427Cobra. Do you loose accuracy? If not, don't worry about it. Keep shooting it until you see your accuracy sour. My Kreiger 1:8.5 in 6.5x47 Lapua has 900+ rounds down the tube; last 700+ without cleaning. Still shooting .2 to .75 MOA, all day, every day!
Alan
Re: copper fouling
What GSSP said. FWIW, the best copper removers I've tried are Boretech Eliminator and KG-12. Neither of those stink (no ammonia) and work better than any other cleaners cluttering up my shelf. Either of these will get the copper out of my Windrunner in just a few passes. I only get 200 rounds down range before I <span style="font-style: italic">have</span> to clean, dang it!
Wayne
What GSSP said. FWIW, the best copper removers I've tried are Boretech Eliminator and KG-12. Neither of those stink (no ammonia) and work better than any other cleaners cluttering up my shelf. Either of these will get the copper out of my Windrunner in just a few passes. I only get 200 rounds down range before I <span style="font-style: italic">have</span> to clean, dang it!
Wayne
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My brother's old Rem700 30-06 will shoot sub moa with bare 180 gr bullets, and then after 6 shots, the groups get to a few inches.
It then looks like there is a lot of Copper in the muzzle, and it takes me 30 minutes of KG-12, Flitz and Kroil, KG-12, Flitz and Kroil, to get it out.
Or my brother can put in Hoppe's #9, wait 24 hours, put in Hoppe's #9, wait 24 hours, Put in Hoppe's #9 wait 24 hours, etc until the Copper is gone.
When I take 4 different 7mmRemMag rifles with Copper free bores to the range at the same time with the same ammo, all 4 Copper foul at different rates.
My brother's old Rem700 30-06 will shoot sub moa with bare 180 gr bullets, and then after 6 shots, the groups get to a few inches.
It then looks like there is a lot of Copper in the muzzle, and it takes me 30 minutes of KG-12, Flitz and Kroil, KG-12, Flitz and Kroil, to get it out.
Or my brother can put in Hoppe's #9, wait 24 hours, put in Hoppe's #9, wait 24 hours, Put in Hoppe's #9 wait 24 hours, etc until the Copper is gone.
When I take 4 different 7mmRemMag rifles with Copper free bores to the range at the same time with the same ammo, all 4 Copper foul at different rates.
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I wouldnt worry about cleaning it until accuracy falls off. Whats it matter if it still shoots damn good and is dirty inside?
I wouldnt worry about cleaning it until accuracy falls off. Whats it matter if it still shoots damn good and is dirty inside?
Re: copper fouling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you having accuracy problems after 30 rounds, or are u a anal gun scrubber </div></div>
+1
If it keeping shooting well, don't worry about it. Don't worry about the copper fouling until accuracy becomes unacceptable.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you having accuracy problems after 30 rounds, or are u a anal gun scrubber </div></div>
+1
If it keeping shooting well, don't worry about it. Don't worry about the copper fouling until accuracy becomes unacceptable.
Re: copper fouling
Here's what I do... I pull the bolt, point the rifle at a white surface in a well lit room and look down the barrel. If all surfaces inside the bore have the same sheen and look shiney it's good to go! I have NEVER specifically cleaned a rifle to remove copper...
And no offense Sermonator, but I would never recommend using something that will rip even more life from a barrel with each shot that a bullet does on its own. That Tubbs Fire-lapping stuff... WHAT A SCAM!!! You're actually paying for bullets that will reduce the life of a barrel by leaps and bounds! WOW! I read an article that makes it sound like the best thing since sliced bread. Hell, it even almost had me convinced. But then I came to my senses...
Here's what I do... I pull the bolt, point the rifle at a white surface in a well lit room and look down the barrel. If all surfaces inside the bore have the same sheen and look shiney it's good to go! I have NEVER specifically cleaned a rifle to remove copper...
And no offense Sermonator, but I would never recommend using something that will rip even more life from a barrel with each shot that a bullet does on its own. That Tubbs Fire-lapping stuff... WHAT A SCAM!!! You're actually paying for bullets that will reduce the life of a barrel by leaps and bounds! WOW! I read an article that makes it sound like the best thing since sliced bread. Hell, it even almost had me convinced. But then I came to my senses...
Re: copper fouling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: muddyhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it loses no accuracy. was just curious about the fouling because none of my others seem to foul so quickly. that was all. thanks for the quick responces.</div></div>
See the problem with cleaning? It was working fine, you cleaned it and found something to worry about.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: muddyhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it loses no accuracy. was just curious about the fouling because none of my others seem to foul so quickly. that was all. thanks for the quick responces.</div></div>
See the problem with cleaning? It was working fine, you cleaned it and found something to worry about.
