Current Trigger Situation

[CrabsandFootball]

A bit out of the loop as I have not had a chance to run some of the newer triggers and see how they stack up against the old classics.

I am a big fan and have used the following triggers for years:

Geiselle Hi speed
Geiselle G2S for a cheaper option
Newer Style KAC 2 stages
Larue MBT for a cheap option.

Basically If I am buying a trigger, its going to be one of the above. I have had some time with CMC, Wilson, Lots of old broken RRA2 Stage, LMT 2 stage,ect.
Now there is trigger tech, hipfire, franklin and dozens of others. I am curious what would you all recommend for a precision gasser. Is there a reason to deviate from the Hi Speed Match (Still reigns king in my mind)? Not really into the flavor of the month, I prefer proven products that can take abuse and keep going.

Thanks,

 

[Tactical trashcan]

I have been researching a lot lately on what triggers are good as I am in the market for a nice one as well, the general consensus seems to be LaRue MBT single stage triggers are better than a lot of, or at least most of $180- $200+ options and many prefer them to the Geiselle, most disliked the 2 stage LaRue. I have an Elftmann and like it quite a bit, but am going to order a LaRue when they are back in stock. Again this is just anecdotal observation from my scouring looking for answers to the same question, so take it with a grain of salt. (EDIT) there is another post about 7 posts below yours going on about triggers you may want to look at with a link in one reply, to a TTAG trigger test on single stage triggers that is very technical that you may find interesting!

 

[CrabsandFootball]

I have a few larue MBT and can tell you anyone who says they are better than ANY trigger geisele makes, is smoking crack. larue fanboys who quite frankly are ignorant.

Not that its a bad trigger, but its a value trigger. If it was twice the cost no one would buy them, they would get a G2s instead.

Im really interested how the trigertechs compare or are they just more CMC, timney,ect flavor of the month?

 

[Tactical trashcan]

I was just relaying what I had read, ha ha. Actually some of the people who praised the LaRue downright hated Mark, which seemed pretty high praise for his trigger. I thought it odd that it could be anywhere comparable to a Geislle trigger, I tried about 12 various brands in the trigger display test lowers and I chose the ELF but can’t remember what all brands were in the display setup.. Have you looked into the Elftmann brand. I think them very high quality very precision parts? They have a secondary safety that prevents the hammer from falling due to a dropped firearm etc... user adjustable trigger pull. Clean crisp break, no creep, solid reset. Check out “the truth about guns blog, trigger test. They used actual equipment to make a graph of what many brands did. Creep, break, over travel, reset distances, then a subjective user review as well. It was pretty informative, but they tested only single stage models.

 

[Tactical trashcan]

Here is the graph and details of the trigger tech from said review.

 

[Yellowhammer]

I have/had most of them (except trigger tech). The SSA-E is better than the MBT but, side by side, the MBT is 90% as good at less than half the price. My favorite is still the G NM. I want to try trigger tech but not sure if I'll like the inverted nature of the 2 stage (light 1st stage & heavy 2nd) based on what I've read about it. I'll still order one eventually.

I don't know if I'll order any more SSA/SSA-E when the MBT is available for $75.

 

[RyanScott]

The LaRue is 90% of an SSA and easier to install. The SD-E is way beyond it but for $70 the LaRue can’t be beat. It’s an ALG killer.

 

[TheOE800]

Two-stage MBT is certainly at a value point, but it's meh at best. If budget is a concern, use it. If you already have a preference for and like Geissele then get another Geissele and save yourself the trouble of buying, installing, then selling the Larue.

 

[ormandj]

If cost isn't a huge factor (and I'm assuming it's not based on your list), TriggerTech Diamond gets my vote (I've swapped everything over to it, specifically the flat PVD model). I've tried most of them now, and it's my personal favorite.

 

[hink001]

To the person above who referenced Larue single and double stage triggers... it is 99.99% accepted that the Single Stage are to be avoided and its the Mbt-2s that you want. You wrote it in reverse. I have several of the mbt 2s triggers and concur that they are 90%+ of the Geiselle for less than 1/2 the price.

I love the Trigger in my buddies DD V11Pro, its a super dynamic 3 gun geiselle trigger and I used it as my precision rifle before i sold it to him. Silly light weight.

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

I have owned or tried all the triggers mentioned. I am sort of a trigger guy, I try any triggers I can. I do trigger jobs for friends and can get a milspec trigger under3 pounds reliably.

I run Hyperfires in my personal rifles. They can be configured to suit anyone’s needs. They use two extra coil spring to reduce the hammer/sear engagement to reduce the trigger pull significantly. After it cantilevers over it adds, according to them, 43% more strike energy. I have shot a lot of hard primer ammunition and never had a light strike.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

The issue I have is reliability. Plenty of crap triggers who just won't stay consistent & last.

The RRA2 stage was notorious for failure once enough duty cycles were run (not much) The Early KAC 2 stage failures were the launching point for Geiselle to get his National Match Triggers into SOCOM with the MK11/Mk12.

The question is, can these triggers hold up like the proven ones?

 

[Tactical trashcan]

That is good to know, sorry I got it backwards. Thank you for correcting me. I was sure everything I read said avoid the two stage LaRue. That’s what I get for thinking, ha. I guess it’s good the 1S was outta stock because I was about to pull the trigger and get one, ha. Pun fully intended.

 

[MontanaMan]

I have a few larue MBT and can tell you anyone who says they are better than ANY trigger geisele makes, is smoking crack. larue fanboys who quite frankly are ignorant.

Not that its a bad trigger, but its a value trigger. If it was twice the cost no one would buy them, they would get a G2s instead.

Im really interested how the trigertechs compare or are they just more CMC, timney,ect flavor of the month?

I can't argue with a bit of that.

And put a lighter trigger spring on a G2S & it becomes an SSA-E; Larue benefits from the same. Neither are a NM but the Geiselle's are good enough for most uses.

If you're looking for a single stage trigger, the Elftmann Match is the best I have & is adjustable down to 2 lb or maybe it's 2.5............mine is set at 3 & stays there. The trigger pins ride on bearings, there is zero take up, no discernable overtravel & reset is quick & rock solid & it has a half cock notch similar to a 1911 for safety if dropped. The CMC's are not in the same league as the Elf, IMO.

The Calvin Elite is great, but I don't want it for anything but pure competition, just depends on what you are looking for & they are expensive.

I've not tried the new TriggerTech Diamond series, but would like to.

MM

 

[Tactical trashcan]

Yeah, I was hoping the OP would at least look into the ELF trigger, I have the one you mentioned and I’m not any type of professional on trigger technology, But out of the 12 I put my finger on and tried at the gun shop, I could tell instantly it was much better feeling to me hands down. That is if he is interested in a single stage though.

 

[rustyinbend]

I've got the TriggerTech Diamond AR in every one of my non-tactical (distance) rifles (224-V, 6.5-G, 6.5-CM, 300-WM) ... they're awesome. Every one is the flat single-stage, tuned to 1.5 lbs of pull. Very consistent look and feel - great results. I'm a TT FanBoy. BTW ... in my tactical AR's, I shoot the Geiselle SSA-E. A great solution for two-stage tactical triggers. Pricey stuff, no doubt, but I feel like if I'm going to splurge on anything, it would be the trigger.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

I can't argue with a bit of that.

And put a lighter trigger spring on a G2S & it becomes an SSA-E; Larue benefits from the same. Neither are a NM but the Geiselle's are good enough for most uses.

If you're looking for a single stage trigger, the Elftmann Match is the best I have & is adjustable down to 2 lb or maybe it's 2.5............mine is set at 3 & stays there. The trigger pins ride on bearings, there is zero take up, no discernable overtravel & reset is quick & rock solid & it has a half cock notch similar to a 1911 for safety if dropped. The CMC's are not in the same league as the Elf, IMO.

The Calvin Elite is great, but I don't want it for anything but pure competition, just depends on what you are looking for & they are expensive.

I've not tried the new TriggerTech Diamond series, but would like to.

MM

It's going into a 6.5cm LMT mars-H mws I am piecing together. I was going to choose between a newer kac 2 stage match and a G NM; just wanted to see if there is something I'm missing.

Sorry I don't do single stage, even on pistols and sbrs they get a 2 stage.

 

[Sincerd]

Triggertech is where it's at. I personally love them from the MCX trigger to the 700 diamond. They're pretty well proven to function in adverse conditions and I've never even heard of one going down. Needless to say I like them a lot. Cleanest trigger you'll ever pull.

Hiperfire AR pretty sweet they have a very positive reset. Very little creep, very little overtravel. Sometime last year i broke the hammer of a hipefire in a mpx, which are notoriously hard on triggers. Hipefire replaced it. And has since came out with a specific mpx trigger. Take from that what you will. I think they excel most at what their named for. Shooting fast, 3 gun type race guns.

Out of the two I like trigger Tech more. Just get used to the way they pull and there's nothing else like it

 

[madppcs]

I thought Giesselle was top dog until I bought a Timney Calvin Elite.

 

[hlee]

Just rock on with the Geiselle triggers. They’re good and you know you like them.

About the Calvin elite... I watched a guy at a match double about 1/2 of all of his shots. It got so bad that he was single feeding his AR10 by the end of the match. You gotta have your fundamentals down with a light trigger...

 

[Yellowhammer]

I just traded a guy for timney single stage (my first timney in an AR & the first single stage in a long time) and it’s OK but I’ll probably sell it or trade it for 2x MBT-2S.

Thats kind of my fear regarding trying a TT, Im sure its great but I’m a creature of habit: G NM for my precision guns, SSA/SSA-E for my favorite shooters, and MBT-2S for everything else.

Never thought I’d be a trigger snob yet here I am...

 

[sea2summit]

I’ve taken my G triggers out for MBTs with one exception that I just haven’t gotten around too. I shoot it better. It may be the “cheap” option but it’s performance doesn’t reflect that.

 

[bfoosh006]

Geissele over a LaRue... Geissele sells a greater variety triggers that suit my intended use of the AR.

I own numerous LaRue MBT's... and for the price, my only real complaint is the Trigger bow... I really prefer a USGI contoured trigger bow.

 

[Bigjake83]

Switch out the trigger and hammer spring from the LaRue MBT with these and you never look at a SSA-E again.

JP Rifles

They have multiple options all of which still reduce pull weight of the MBT