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LeftyJason

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    I have my ar. Originally built 2010ish and been changing parts out to update it over time. Quad rail is now a strike mlok, comp switched for thunderbeast flash hider to ultra 7 Gen 1. Leupold mark ar 3-9 switched to vortex strike fire to nothing currently but going 2.5-15 direction.

    Latest Pic. Vert grip gone, pic rail gone replaced by mdt arca rail this week, strike fire off on something else.
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    Currently has a 3lb timney competition single stage. Bought it without knowing much. Looking at going more 2 stage cause it would be nice to be able to touch the trigger and know I'm on without it going off.

    What do you all use on your more precision type rigs?

    Have done some searching in this forum but haven't seen much about some of the options. Triggertech duty vs competitive, timney targa short vs long, or any of the others.
     
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    LeftyJason said:
    I have my ar. Originally built 2010ish and been changing parts out to update it over time. Quad rail is now a strike mlok, comp switched for thunderbeast flash hider to ultra 7 Gen 1. Leupold mark ar 3-9 switched to vortex strike fire to nothing currently but going 2.5-15 direction.

    Latest Pic. Vert grip gone, pic rail gone replaced by mdt arca rail this week, strike fire off on something else.
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    Currently has a 3lb timney competition single stage. Bought it without knowing much. Looking at going more 2 stage cause it would be nice to be able to touch the trigger and know I'm on without it going off.

    What do you all use on your more precision type rigs?

    Have done some searching in this forum but haven't seen much about some of the options. Triggertech duty vs competitive, timney targa short vs long, or any of the others.
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    Here’s my list of solid AR dmr type triggers:
    Note there are Memorial weekend sales going on right now at geissele, primary arms, etc..
     
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    Stugots said:
    I have 4 AR15's all with Geissele National Match triggers. And 1 with a Rise Iconic trigger. To be honest, I like the Rise Iconic slightly better than the Geissele N.M.
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    I have a Geissele National Match as well. I probably could’ve just gotten one of their non-adjustable two stagers. Can’t remember which one(s?) that would be…their naming conventions confuse me lol including their rifle naming.
     
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    I have a gun eerily similar to yours. It has one of the old school triggertech frictionless two stages set to 3.5 pounds in it. It has served the gun well as it developed into what it is now. She is an oinker, but shoots well

    -Triggertech 3.5# two stage
    -Mega upper and lower
    -Strike Industries Gridlock HG
    -Superlative Arms adjustable GB
    -18 inch bartlein 1-7:7 twist with Seekins bolt headspaced using a WOA competition length barrel extension.
    -Gen 3 PRS, standar A2 buffer and Tubb flatwire spring
    -ZCO 420 in Badger Max mount

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    TonyTheTiger said:
    I've got a bunch of single stages and quite a few 2 stage triggers, and for the life of me I can't figure out why people choose to die on one hill or the other.
    Unless you're a monkey, you should be able to use either.
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    I can use a two stage trigger just fine but the philosophical concept of it pisses me off. It's like having to be somewhere 10 mins prior to 10 mins prior to make sure that you're early. Just tell me the time and I'll be there. There's zero difference between the second stage and a normal single stage trigger. I don't need 2lbs of nothing to press through just to get to the wall that's going to break and release the hammer...the same as if you were just shooting a single stage. I think for a lot of people it's a mental comfort placebo.
     
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    JR1200W3 said:
    I can use a two stage trigger just fine but the philosophical concept of it pisses me off. It's like having to be somewhere 10 mins prior to 10 mins prior to make sure that you're early. Just tell me the time and I'll be there. There's zero difference between the second stage and a normal single stage trigger. I don't need 2lbs of nothing to press through just to get to the wall that's going to break and release the hammer...the same as if you were just shooting a single stage. I think for a lot of people it's a mental comfort placebo.
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    I agree with this and that's my preference as well, but I still don't know why people are so hung up on this.
    I see threads and FB posts all the time from people soliciting trigger advice and find it bizzare that people gravitating towards precision use automatically assume that 2 stage is the only way.
    And then you've got guntubers like Garand Thumb that start every video with "this things got a 2 stage trigger, so that's good!"
    The one and only definite advantage to a 2 stage trigger is the reduced likelihood of a bumpfire when free recoiling an AR. And that's a questionable practice anyhow.
     
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    TonyTheTiger said:
    I agree with this and that's my preference as well, but I still don't know why people are so hung up on this.
    I see threads and FB posts all the time from people soliciting trigger advice and find it bizzare that people gravitating towards precision use automatically assume that 2 stage is the only way.
    And then you've got guntubers like Garand Thumb that start every video with "this things got a 2 stage trigger, so that's good!"
    The one and only definite advantage to a 2 stage trigger is the reduced likelihood of a bumpfire when free recoiling an AR. And that's a questionable practice anyhow.
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    What the industry needs is a 3 stage trigger. If two stages are good, three's gotta be better
     
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    TonyTheTiger said:
    The one and only definite advantage to a 2 stage trigger is the reduced likelihood of a bumpfire when free recoiling an AR.
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    This is actually the main reason why I use two stage triggers on my gas guns. Once you get used to them on gassers its nice to standardize them on all guns gas or bolt….at least thats the route I went 🤷‍♂️
     
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    WeR0206 said:
    This is actually the main reason why I use two stage triggers on my gas guns. Once you get used to them on gassers its nice to standardize them on all guns gas or bolt….at least thats the route I went 🤷‍♂️
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    Me too. My precision rimfires are Anschutz and wear 5018 triggers, my bolt guns wear Bix’n Andi TacSport pro X 2 stage triggers. My utility gas guns wear SSA-EX.
     
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    oldrifleman said:
    Me too. My precision remedies are Anschutz and wear 5018 triggers, my bolt guns wear Bix’n Andi TacSport pro X 2 stage triggers. My utility gas guns wear SSA-EX.
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    Nice! I have the same trigger on my gas guns (along with a larue mbt flat trigger with lighter spring kit). My bolt gun has TT special 2 stage flat.
     
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    I was actually taught that a 2 stage trigger was good when using non-duty light competition triggers on duty guns. Specifically in the instances when you might be indexing a sector of fire after engaging a threat target to engaging another threat target. The first stage allows your finger to be in some sort of space without being on the wall. But over the years as I've thought about that concept you are really splitting hairs in a situation where you might be pointing a gun at something or someone you don't want to destroy with your rifle on fire and finger on the trigger. It's is one rare scenario where you might find yourself in what is normally a throbbing red violation of basic weapons handling and gun safety. But what a shitty reason for a particular type of trigger.
     
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    @TonyTheTiger and @JR1200W3. I'm not saying I can't use it, I just want something different. As part of my research I found HarleyWood 3 part review of triggers and he likes single stages. Can't find something similar for 2 stages. He shows essentially my trigger in his first video at 4:13. You move the trigger at all and it goes off.

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    I'm not a fan of insanely light triggers and this is currently my lightest trigger. I would likely change my T3x to a krg midas except that I would have to lefty convert it myself (taking apart both factory tikka and midas, voiding warranties) since nobody makes a left handed tikka 2 stage trigger that I can just buy. Can be done per KRG and someone else has done it here as well.

    In other words, I have single stages. I want to try a good 2 stage. Have experience with savage accutriggers (not the best example but closest to 2 stage that I own). This is the easiest gun that I have to try it on.

    Been reading here and listening to Frank talk about 2 stages for years.

    Also I am not former or current duty or anything like that nor will I be.
     
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    LeftyJason said:
    @TonyTheTiger and @JR1200W3. I'm not saying I can't use it, I just want something different.
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    I'm not picking on your desire to try a 2 stage. Do what you want. I'm just ranting about the hive mentality of people that think 2 stage is the only way without being able to articulate why.
    LeftyJason said:
    You move the trigger at all and it goes off.
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    That is kinda the idea. If I bought a single stage that didn't fire from any movement I would return it because they sent me a 2 stage.

    I've actually shot with that Timney quite a bit and think it's a bit heavy-ish.
     
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    TonyTheTiger said:
    I'm not picking on your desire to try a 2 stage. Do what you want. I'm just ranting about the hive mentality of people that think 2 stage is the only way without being able to articulate why.

    That is kinda the idea. If I bought a single stage that didn't fire from any movement I would return it because they sent me a 2 stage.

    I've actually shot with that Timney quite a bit and think it's a bit heavy-ish.
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    I know you were not talking at me. I have shot tons of single stage triggers from ugly lever action to Kenyon tuned Win 52s, to jewel 2oz and a bunch of rem 700 compatible trigger techs. The 2 stage gives me more control and my scores are significantly better. It is all in training with either one, both work great and if you put in the time you can be happy with either., but ultimately your style will drive you to one or the other.
     
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    I think two stage is just a personal preference, I like the ability to “milk” the trigger back through the first stage once I learn how it behaves.

    I don’t care for super light triggers, but then again that is personal preference
     
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    I shoot all single stage on bolt guns.

    I have 2 or 3 of the Giessele’s on ARs because I wanted quality triggers and there was a sale. This was back when they were seemingly the only name when looking for a good AR trigger.
    Have the timney and cmc single stage AR triggers and they shoot very well.

    Recently installed a Larue MBT2s on my daughter’s new AR and man is that thing nice!
    Prolly the way I would go for a future 2s based on performance and price. Even though Mark Larue is a booger eater.
    I believe they (Larue) make a SS and will prolly look at getting one to try at some point as that is my overall preference.


    Pro-Tip:
    Eat bacon before you shoot.
    You will be in such a joy filled place single or 2s wont matter.


    On the Tikka, try a yo-dave or comparable spring. Nothing fancy and makes a tikka a much nicer trigger for $20 or so.
    Mine is just turned down a bit and very usable for hunting (all it does)
     
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    I’ve always been a bit of a trigger snob, growing up with long creepy and tons of overtravel excuses for production triggers had me doing trigger “jobs” on my own stuff before I ever heard it called that. My first decent factory trigger was a 2-stage Rekord (sp) on a Weirauch air rifle, loved it after I got used to it. Fast forward 40 years and now I’m shooting precision barricade rimfire events with a factory 2lb single stage on a bolt gun when I decided to build a match rimfire AR. I’ve currently settled on a Timney Calvin Elite, and even as dirty as rimfire is, dumping trash right into the assembly, thus far that 1.5lb single stage seems to be working fine (which is a bit of a surprise honestly).
     
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    Just came in to say that all of my AR's wear SSA-E's or something that feels the same. I want to be able to break precise shots or hammer fast shots just as confidently with any of my AR's.
    Consistency is key.
    This is also why all of my main use guns are Glocks with stock triggers. If I'm going to use it for real life stuff, then I want to be familiar with them all the same.

    TT does make nice triggers though.
     
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    Looks like most of the advice is leaning one of the Geissele or the Triggertech Diamond. Biggest difference I see is that the Geissele's have a heavier 1st stage with lighter second, and the Triggertech is the other way.

    I'm not quite ready to buy yet. Doing my research like I do with most things (I have become like my dad). Currently in middle of saving for a RRS tripod.
     
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    JR1200W3 said:
    I can use a two stage trigger just fine but the philosophical concept of it pisses me off. It's like having to be somewhere 10 mins prior to 10 mins prior to make sure that you're early. Just tell me the time and I'll be there. There's zero difference between the second stage and a normal single stage trigger. I don't need 2lbs of nothing to press through just to get to the wall that's going to break and release the hammer...the same as if you were just shooting a single stage. I think for a lot of people it's a mental comfort placebo.
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    Or it's too much reading on the Innanet.........................

    Just sayin'

    MM
     
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    JR1200W3 said:
    I was actually taught that a 2 stage trigger was good when using non-duty light competition triggers on duty guns. Specifically in the instances when you might be indexing a sector of fire after engaging a threat target to engaging another threat target. The first stage allows your finger to be in some sort of space without being on the wall. But over the years as I've thought about that concept you are really splitting hairs in a situation where you might be pointing a gun at something or someone you don't want to destroy with your rifle on fire and finger on the trigger. It's is one rare scenario where you might find yourself in what is normally a throbbing red violation of basic weapons handling and gun safety. But what a shitty reason for a particular type of trigger.
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    Weird and anecdote, but...
    Almost a decade and half ago, I was on a rescue mission in a hostile area. I was the first to encounter the guy we were there for. It happened so abruptly that I almost took the guy as a threat. My safety was off, slack was taken out of the [mil-spec] trigger, and my dot was high center mast on this dude. I almost wasted him, thank God I didn't. I noticed what he was wearing and my brain caught up. While taking pressure off the trigger, I hailed an identifier question at him to verify it was him. We were good. I had enough training on that particular piece of crap mil-spec trigger that I could take some slack up on it in preparation to break a shot or not. That is not the case with all mil-spec triggers or single stage triggers in my experience. Had I a single stage trigger or a different mil-spec trigger, that dude might be dead.
    My thought process is that a good two stage trigger would give even more confidence in any circumstance where one might need to "stage for a shot" but then wait to make a decision, particularly under stress.
    I am curious on your thoughts though.
     
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    Bakwa said:
    Weird and anecdote, but...
    Almost a decade and half ago, I was on a rescue mission in a hostile area. I was the first to encounter the guy we were there for. It happened so abruptly that I almost took the guy as a threat. My safety was off, slack was taken out of the [mil-spec] trigger, and my dot was high center mast on this dude. I almost wasted him, thank God I didn't. I noticed what he was wearing and my brain caught up. While taking pressure off the trigger, I hailed an identifier question at him to verify it was him. We were good. I had enough training on that particular piece of crap mil-spec trigger that I could take some slack up on it in preparation to break a shot or not. That is not the case with all mil-spec triggers or single stage triggers in my experience. Had I a single stage trigger or a different mil-spec trigger, that dude might be dead.
    My thought process is that a good two stage trigger would give even more confidence in any circumstance where one might need to "stage for a shot" but then wait to make a decision, particularly under stress.
    I am curious on your thoughts though.
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    That is why training is so important, your body knew how much it could press. Some will say you could do the same with a single stage, I don’t agree totally but it is similar to my use of the first stage in matches.
     
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    Bakwa said:
    Weird and anecdote, but...
    Almost a decade and half ago, I was on a rescue mission in a hostile area. I was the first to encounter the guy we were there for. It happened so abruptly that I almost took the guy as a threat. My safety was off, slack was taken out of the [mil-spec] trigger, and my dot was high center mast on this dude. I almost wasted him, thank God I didn't. I noticed what he was wearing and my brain caught up. While taking pressure off the trigger, I hailed an identifier question at him to verify it was him. We were good. I had enough training on that particular piece of crap mil-spec trigger that I could take some slack up on it in preparation to break a shot or not. That is not the case with all mil-spec triggers or single stage triggers in my experience. Had I a single stage trigger or a different mil-spec trigger, that dude might be dead.
    My thought process is that a good two stage trigger would give even more confidence in any circumstance where one might need to "stage for a shot" but then wait to make a decision, particularly under stress.
    I am curious on your thoughts though.
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    I've done a lot of CQB with non-threats in hostile places. The doctrinal process of target discrimination is PRA. Perceive, Recognize, Acquire. It doesn't matter what type of trigger you have. You're actions and trigger squeeze conform to this process. Breaking a shot is never a surprise. So you mentally connect the cognitive act with the wall through your finger. You decide when the thing you're shooting at dies. You don't pull the trigger on something or someone you don't understand to be a threat hoping 1.25lbs of first stage leaves you some time to complete a thought and make the decision for good.
     
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    This is exactly why I dislike "the like" of two stage triggers. People think the first stage buys them "decision space". Whether they think that's prepping fundamentals for a shot in a match or something like the above. The wall is the wall. You break the shot when you want to. Whatever work you need to do before breaking the wall, you do it either way.
     
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    JR1200W3 said:
    You don't pull the trigger on something or someone you don't understand to be a threat hoping 1.25lbs of first stage leaves you some time to complete a thought and make the decision for good.
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    I agree. Traditionally speaking, QCB would be an environment you would likely seldom if ever need that second stage. I understand and agree with PRA.
    My thought is that having a place to stage in your trigger pull while your sights are on the target can only be an advantage in obscure circumstances like the one I illustrated. I use it during hunting too. I'll stage and make my final determination to pull the trigger from the second stage.
    All said, you likely have more training and experience than I do. I only played around with cool guys for a short while, then got out.
     
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    JR1200W3 said:
    This is exactly why I dislike "the like" of two stage triggers. People think the first stage buys them "decision space". Whether they think that's prepping fundamentals for a shot in a match or something like the above. The wall is the wall. You break the shot when you want to. Whatever work you need to do before breaking the wall, you do it either way.
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    You're the first person that I've seen react this way to the concept of 2-stage triggers being used in such a way. I typically respect your opinions. I'm probably going to try to take some time and train behind a few single stage triggers with your mindset and see what I realize on the other side. Thanks for the insight.
     
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    Bakwa said:
    I agree. Traditionally speaking, QCB would be an environment you would likely seldom if ever need that second stage. I understand and agree with PRA.
    My thought is that having a place to stage in your trigger pull while your sights are on the target can only be an advantage in obscure circumstances like the one I illustrated. I use it during hunting too. I'll stage and make my final determination to pull the trigger from the second stage.
    All said, you likely have more training and experience than I do. I only played around with cool guys for a short while, then got out.
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    The very first pistols used by a certain dedicated HR unit was 1911's and then 2011's. Single stage triggers.
     
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